ContadorÂ’s legal team hit back at WADA report

[Señor_Contador]

And let me make something clear: I am not a Lance Armstrong fan. You can check all my posts and see to it.

What I do despise the de-humanization of a person like Lance because he has made many human beings happy. He has given hope to millions of cancer sufferers. He has donated millions and lots of time to the cause.

Not only that, with his arrival, cycling became a better sport and cyclists are now making more money indirectly thanks to him.

If he took EPO or test or GH while doing all of this... I don't give a sh*t!

He certainly deserves a statue is Austin.

You guys, the ones who want to save the world and make sports a drug-free enterprise... why don't you waste your time going after the real criminals, *** edited by mod ***

 

[Ferminal]

ferminal

there is one rule above the others.. comom sense. that's why this isnt finished already.
you and others seem to forget that.

Common sense would tell us that the Contador case has to follow the same protocols as anyone else who has returned an A+B positive for a banned substance. Anti-doping protocols aren't just made to be bent when the situation demands it. Even if the protocols are inaccurate, ineffective and unfair, the fact is they have to be followed (and contested in a hearing, court etc).

What I do despise the de-humanization of a person like Lance because he has made many human beings happy.

Mao Zedong no doubt made many more people happy.

 

[c&cfan]

Exactly. It's not that clenbuterol is not supposed to be in your blood, we all know it shouldn't, it's that the medical community acknowledges the possibility that 50 picograms can come from pretty much anything, a cycle of clenbuterol tapering off, a contaminated steak or a twinkie. We already know it's not a cycle taper-off because Alberto was tested days before and he did not test positive for clen. We already know about steak-gate.

What WADA should be looking for is the guys putting 10-60mcg/day into their system. If they happen to get tested during a cycle I can guarantee you that, unless you put the little red grainy pill in you pecker and drop it in the cup as you're peeing, you will test positive for clenbuterol at amounts 1,000,000 higher than those found in Contador's sample.

You also have the plasticizers story. We also know that Jordi Segura (the person who developed the test) has opined against the use of the test in sports because it is not developed enough.

I mean, if you're going to bust someone... My belief is that you have to come up with really incrimitating evidence, otherwise do not embark in a publicity stunt that ends up hurting cycling as a whole.

As I said, doping issues within cycling are best if dealt with internally, not in the public domain.

And on another note, if people were ¼ aware of WADA's hit and misses record, the public outcry would be so huge it would be closed the very next day.

I have ZERO respect for WADA or the people that work for WADA.

well said. your only problem here is your nick. that's why you are not "respected" lol.

you didnt said something new..you just said what everybody knows. this is why i dont understand some of the persons that are here in the clinic.

they only read and see what they want. and they dont even know why they want contador to go down..lol

they keep talking about the plasticizers when even the guy that made the test is saying that they shouldnt use it and they dont have a solid proof. only gossip. however they talk about that like if they were the ones doing the tests.

facts:

contador tested positive.
that substance didnt made him perform better (so it isnt doping)
meat excuse is possible and until know anything WADA said was countered.
based on we know that they know, they cant ban contador. or, they can try (pride).. but they shouldnt.
contador is the best stage racer ever and he isnt french (lance haters will still hate him) and he "killed" lance (lance fanboys will hate him) so he is hated by almost everybody. still, that isnt a reason to ban him xD

people..enjoy cycling please.xD

 

[Benotti69]

50pico=positive=\=doping. because that amount didnt made alberto perform better.
the way you read the rules.. what about commom sense?? what about perspective?

strongly implies ped use?they cant do sh*t if they dont find those peds! just because they were able to do the "it's likely that you dope, so you are f*cked" to other cyclists doesnt mean that they can do the same to contador.. just like contador hasnt the right to dope just because merckx anquetil hinault armstrong indurain and MAYBE shleck did that.

the meat defence is strong. even if contador is the biggest liar and the biggest doper in the world no one can ban him with the "it's likely that you are.."

you wanna know the real problem here?? if they dont ban contador (it is the right thing to do, not ban him), they will have to do the right thing number 2. admit that they were wrong with the chinese guy and others. admiting that there are differences between cycling and other sports in the way WADA works.

everybody was laughing about the history of the kiss... look what happened. etc etc.

sniper

even if that is 100% true, WADA cant do a thing about it. so it is just gossip for the "wiki" doctors.


ferminal

there is one rule above the others.. comom sense. that's why this isnt finished already.
you and others seem to forget that.

you would be better of addressing you posts to UCI. We are posting on the laws that have been put into place to combat doping. Clen in a riders sample is a positive. It does not come down to common sense.

Common sense tell us the top 10 finishers of the TdF are dopers

 

[Señor_Contador]

50pico=positive=\=doping. because that amount didnt made alberto perform better.
the way you read the rules.. what about commom sense?? what about perspective?

strongly implies ped use?they cant do sh*t if they dont find those peds! just because they were able to do the "it's likely that you dope, so you are f*cked" to other cyclists doesnt mean that they can do the same to contador.. just like contador hasnt the right to dope just because merckx anquetil hinault armstrong indurain and MAYBE shleck did that.

the meat defence is strong. even if contador is the biggest liar and the biggest doper in the world no one can ban him with the "it's likely that you are.."

you wanna know the real problem here?? if they dont ban contador (it is the right thing to do, not ban him), they will have to do the right thing number 2. admit that they were wrong with the chinese guy and others. admiting that there are differences between cycling and other sports in the way WADA works.

everybody was laughing about the history of the kiss... look what happened. etc etc.

sniper

even if that is 100% true, WADA cant do a thing about it. so it is just gossip for the "wiki" doctors.


ferminal

there is one rule above the others.. comom sense. that's why this isnt finished already.
you and others seem to forget that.

I actually think the UCI are taking their time on this case because this could be a make or break type of situation for them. If they suspend Alberto, the Spaniard WILL sue. And if they go to the ordinary courts I have no doubt in my mind he will win the case. I mean... if WADA show up with the 50 picograms and the plasticizers test... I think they're going to have a heck of a time demonstrating culpability.

And if they can't bust Contador I bet you Alberto is going to do his share of WADA-hatin'. And WADA will lose major, major face.

 

[c&cfan]

Common sense would tell us that the Contador case has to follow the same protocols as anyone else who has returned an A+B positive for a banned substance. Anti-doping protocols aren't just made to be bent when the situation demands it. Even if the protocols are inaccurate, ineffective and unfair, the fact is they have to be followed (and contested in a hearing, court etc).



Mao Zedong no doubt made many more people happy.

no!!!!! just because wada is doing sh*t until now and were able to get away because some of them werent "great" cyclists, it doesnt mean that they can do the same to contador! this is common sense! you are talking like if contador was getting benefits from that dose (that appeared in one day!!! nothing the days before) or was using epo or cera!

 

[Ferminal]

no!!!!! just because wada is doing sh*t until now and were able to get away because some of them werent "great" cyclists, it doesnt mean that they can do the same to contador! this is common sense! you are talking like if contador was getting benefits from that dose (that appeared in one day!!! nothing the days before) or was using epo or cera!

WADA do not control anti-doping in cycling (this is done by the UCI and the state-run agencies), nor can they do much to speed up scientific development of a new test. I'm sure if WADA had an EPO test in the 90s there would have been a lot more suspensions, but the case is it wasn't implemented until August 2000 so we just have to live with it.

I don't know why you are discussing the performance enhancing nature of the level of clen found in Contador's samples, this is irrelevant. I have never made a comment on this matter because it is insignificant to the process, the courts will decide whether or not it plays a role in the outcome, but ultimately according to WADA it doesn't matter.

 

[c&cfan]

I actually think the UCI are taking their time on this case because this could be a make or break type of situation for them. If they suspend Alberto, the Spaniard WILL sue. And if they go to the ordinary courts I have no doubt in my mind he will win the case. I mean... if WADA show up with the 50 picograms and the plasticizers test... I think they're going to have a heck of a time demonstrating culpability.

And if they can't bust Contador I bet you Alberto is going to do his share of WADA-hatin'. And WADA will lose major, major face.

obviously senor..

i hope that this just ends in a show of rage in the next tour it will be amazing to watch contador do what he did in 07. those 500meters atacks or something if someone is able to respond.. or another verbier.

this is what cycling is all about.

benotti

dopers? yes.. each time you take a cofee to stay wake you are a doper..
no.. i dont believe that they are using cera or epo or something alike. maybe small doses of something (not 50pico obviously) to some riders.

 

[Ferminal]

obviously senor..

i hope that this just ends in a show of rage in the next tour it will be amazing to watch contador do what he did in 07. those 500meters atacks or something if someone is able to respond.. or another verbier.

this is what cycling is all about.

benotti

dopers? yes.. each time you take a cofee to stay wake you are a doper..
no.. i dont believe that they are using cera or epo or something alike. maybe small doses of something (not 50pico obviously) to some riders.

Not according to the rules.

 

[c&cfan]

Not according to the rules.

thats all you can do or say? what are you doing here in this forum? why this forum does exist? why do lawyers exist? why do courts exist?

 

[Ferminal]

thats all you can do or say? what are you doing here in this forum? why this forum does exist? why do lawyers exist? why do courts exist?

Erm, so you're calling someone who takes caffeine in-competition a doper? When the rules for the last x number of years state otherwise?

 

[c&cfan]

lol.. i called you a doper! i said that everyone of us are dopers... always taking something that makes us perform better (job school sex...)

 

[Señor_Contador]

lol.. i called you a doper! i said that everyone of us are dopers... always taking something that makes us perform better (job school sex...)

Consequently, that is a dream situation for WADA: If everyone's a doper they get more work. More work, more money. More money, more power.

And this has an inverse relation to the UCI and the cyclists. The more dopers the more the UCI gets undermined. And the more dopers found, the more cycling suffers. Whether they are indeed doping or not, that is irrelevant to WADA.

It's a vicious circle. For them of course.

 

[Wallace]

no!!!!! just because wada is doing sh*t until now and were able to get away because some of them werent "great" cyclists, it doesnt mean that they can do the same to contador! this is common sense! you are talking like if contador was getting benefits from that dose (that appeared in one day!!! nothing the days before) or was using epo or cera!

Two hundred years ago "common sense" told you that the best way to treat TB was with leeches and that doctors didn't need to wash their hands before delivering babies. "Common sense" is almost always just another term for someone's bias or belief, as it is here.

Doping technology is hugely sophisticated now (see Hamiliton's Fuentes fax). There's a reason why there are zero tolerances for doping substances. You may not "like" it, but it has nothing to do with likes or dislikes. Clenbuterol is a banned substance. AC tested positive for it, A and B. He's guilty. End of story.

 

[Señor_Contador]

Two hundred years ago "common sense" told you that the best way to treat TB was with leeches and that doctors didn't need to wash their hands before delivering babies. "Common sense" is almost always just another term for someone's bias or belief, as it is here.

And of course, common sense is something that eludes you too.

Doping technology is hugely sophisticated now (see Hamiliton's Fuentes fax). There's a reason why there are zero tolerances for doping substances. You may not "like" it, but it has nothing to do with likes or dislikes. Clenbuterol is a banned substance. AC tested positive for it, A and B. He's guilty. End of story.

Let me dumb it down:

Doping: "The use of a drug or blood product to improve athletic performance."

If you can prove to me RIGHT NOW that you can improve athletic performance with 50 picograms of clenbuterol I will personally send you a $ 100 check. RIGHT NOW.

It can't get any more common sensical than that.

END OF F*CKING STORY.

 

[Wallace]

And of course, common sense is something that eludes you too.



Let me dumb it down:

Doping: "The use of a drug or blood product to improve athletic performance."

If you can prove to me RIGHT NOW that you can improve athletic performance with 50 picograms of clenbuterol I will personally send you a $ 100 check. RIGHT NOW.

It can't get any more common sensical than that.

END OF F*CKING STORY.

You took the clen a few months ago. Some traces were left when they drew the blood to be infused on the second rest day. Should I pm you where to send the check?

 

[sniper]

You took the clen a few months ago. Some traces were left when they drew the blood to be infused on the second rest day. Should I pm you where to send the check?

..easy money...

 

[sniper]

And of course, common sense is something that eludes you too.



Let me dumb it down:

Doping: "The use of a drug or blood product to improve athletic performance."

If you can prove to me RIGHT NOW that you can improve athletic performance with 50 picograms of clenbuterol I will personally send you a $ 100 check. RIGHT NOW.

It can't get any more common sensical than that.

END OF F*CKING STORY.

you don't have to use capital letters. we get your point: you're spanish, right? haven't been around too long, have ya?

 

[Benotti69]

you don't have to use capital letters. we get your point: you're spanish, right? haven't been around too long, have ya?

just joined since Contador need a public strategies type push on forums

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

And of course, common sense is something that eludes you too.



Let me dumb it down:

Doping: "The use of a drug or blood product to improve athletic performance."

If you can prove to me RIGHT NOW that you can improve athletic performance with 50 picograms of clenbuterol I will personally send you a $ 100 check. RIGHT NOW.

It can't get any more common sensical than that.

END OF F*CKING STORY.

Senor Contador: One more posting like this and you will be handed a suspension. Do not insult other users and cool it with the profanity. Final warning.

Susan

 

[Altitude]

And of course, common sense is something that eludes you too.



Let me dumb it down:

Doping: "The use of a drug or blood product to improve athletic performance."

If you can prove to me RIGHT NOW that you can improve athletic performance with 50 picograms of clenbuterol I will personally send you a $ 100 check. RIGHT NOW.

It can't get any more common sensical than that.

END OF F*CKING STORY.

You're clearly not going to convert anyone, so why bother?

 

[c&cfan]

You took the clen a few months ago. Some traces were left when they drew the blood to be infused on the second rest day. Should I pm you where to send the check?

lol..

he didnt had clen the days before!! who are you to assuming this? were ALL the tests prior to that day, even the day before, wrong?!

and even if you are right, they had to give some evidence. they dont have that kind of evidence. they only have "well.. it's likely or at least possible that you did that", so you are guilty. sorry for you and for them, but they were only able to do this(this is wrong.) to "smaller" cyclists.

you keep saying that senor contador is spanish or a fanboy and that's why he is defending (he isnt. he is only telling what you already know.) contador, but you are doing the same but in the other way around. so, what are you?

 

[GJB123]

Senor Contador: One more posting like this and you will be handed a suspension. Do not insult other users and cool it with the profanity. Final warning.

Susan

In defense of him I would like to say that I don't understand why he gets a warning while anyone who more or less tries to defend Contador (and I am not, mind you, I just have beef, pun intended, with the WADA, UCI and the badly drafted anti-doping rules) can be belittled without any consequences from the admin-team. Pretty darn strange in my book. One would almost suspect a hidden agenda if one was conspiracy theorist.

Regards
GJ

 

[sniper]

lol..

he didnt had clen the days before!! who are you to assuming this? were ALL the tests prior to that day, even the day before, wrong?!

guess that pretty much sums up Mr. c&cfan's capacities to analyze doping issues.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

In defense of him I would like to say that I don't understand why he gets a warning while anyone who more or less tries to defend Contador (and I am not, mind you, I just have beef, pun intended, with the WADA, UCI and the badly drafted anti-doping rules) can be belittled without any consequences from the admin-team. Pretty darn strange in my book. One would almost suspect a hidden agenda if one was conspiracy theorist.

Regards
GJ

I don't give a hoot who is for or against what. I most certainly do not have a hidden agenda.

I do not have the time to read every posting in every thread, so if you will point out to me other postings in an equally aggressive, inuslting and vulgar tone, I will be happy to deal with them. But please notify me by PM and not in this thread, so that we dn't take it off-topic.

Thank you.

Susan