Contador 2010

[ErmOkk]

Hmm yeah a lot of stories about Armstrong are being told, but I still think someone's innocent until proven guilty. Maybe people try to **** him because he is indeed an ***, or people want money so they deliver a juicy story? I'm affraid we'll never know unless some serious prove comes out .

I do believe the sport needs personalities like Lance though. I actually followed the races more since last year, especially the tour. He brings energy, positive or not, it's working on me tbh. I also believe Alberto's character is of a true winner like Lance too, he just isn't that much of a blabbermouth, which is smart ofcourse . I'm worried about this years tour though, about the needles found in a plastic bag and seemed to be belonging to Astana... It will get a tail...

 

[BroDeal]

Hmm yeah a lot of stories about Armstrong are being told, but I still think someone's innocent until proven guilty. Maybe people try to **** him because he is indeed an ***, or people want money so they deliver a juicy story? I'm affraid we'll never know unless some serious prove comes out .

He tested positive for EPO six times. There is not any more proof required.

 

[Carboncrank]

This thread has this Alice in Wonderland vibe that on the one hand, is very disconcerting, and then on the other, I can't stay away.

Carbon crank, you are just mental. Every once in a while, you start to seem like you may yet become rational, then you go spinning out of control again. I thinked I already asked you on this thread to help me understand what drives your unquestioning devotion to Lance. I don't think I ever got a response.

I did answer it. I answered it directly but I'm not going to spend all day finding it for you. It has to do with your prejudiced thinking (not just you) than it does about defending Lance. If i wanted to spend time debunking birthers or tea baggers or moon landing deniers I could do that too. But I love cycling so I come here.

I had a more recent take.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?p=143092#post143092

 

[Race Radio]

I did answer it. I answered it directly but I'm not going to spend all day finding it for you. It has to do with your prejudiced thinking (not just you) than it does about defending Lance. If i wanted to spend time debunking birthers or tea baggers or moon landing deniers I could do that too. But I love cycling so I come here.

I had a more recent take.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?p=143092#post143092

Why is it when you have been proven wrong again, and again, and again, do you continue? Why do you continue to return despite being banned? Is there something missing in your life that you need consent attention even if it is negative? What pain drives to insult and threaten other posters non-stop? Did you kill animals as a child? Have you considered medication?

 

[Carboncrank]

He tested positive for EPO six times. There is not any more proof required.

And yet his name is still listed as the winner of the race.

Very forgiving of them don't you think?

 

[Race Radio]

And yet his name is still listed as the winner of the race.

Very forgiving of them don't you think?

As is Riis

 

[ravens]

And yet his name is still listed as the winner of the race.

Very forgiving of them don't you think?

Very wrong. For him, and for Riis, to be allowed to be listed. Speaks to the corruption of the 'powers that be'. You can buy an outcome. I wonder if LA (or anyone else so connected, politically) could buy a positive on a competitor?

 

[BroDeal]

Very wrong. For him, and for Riis, to be allowed to be listed. Speaks to the corruption of the 'powers that be'. You can buy an outcome. I wonder if LA (or anyone else so connected, politically) could buy a positive on a competitor?

Why do you think the UCI targeted Hamilton?

It was not just bad luck on Hamilton's part.

 

[Carboncrank]

AC has provided proof

What proof did AC provide? He's conveniently evasive in interviews. Saying things like "Johan knows the truth" are not proof.

the closest thing I see to proof would be the unnamed "Spanish Mechanic" that says he weighed the wheels.

Proof would be the Spanish mechanic coming forward or someone from Carbonsports coming forward and saying "yes Astana didn't buy all the same kind of wheel from us and at the last minute we sent a pair of special wheels or a photo showing a different spoke pattern or different hub on different Astana TT bikes or any other Astana rider coming forward or any other Astana mechanic going on record.

 

[Race Radio]

What proof did AC provide? He's conveniently evasive in interviews. Saying things like "Johan knows the truth" are not proof.

the closest thing I see to proof would be the unnamed "Spanish Mechanic" that says he weighed the wheels.

Proof would be the Spanish mechanic coming forward or someone from Carbonsports coming forward and saying "yes Astana didn't buy all the same kind of wheel from us and at the last minute we sent a pair of special wheels or a photo showing a different spoke pattern or different hub on different Astana TT bikes or any other Astana rider coming forward or any other Astana mechanic going on record.

I gave you the link were MARCA said that Carbonsports confirmed it to them. By ignoring it we can only assume you are *** or are being willfully ignorant in order to get attention.

 

[Publicus]

What proof did AC provide? He's conveniently evasive in interviews. Saying things like "Johan knows the truth" are not proof.

the closest thing I see to proof would be the unnamed "Spanish Mechanic" that says he weighed the wheels.

Proof would be the Spanish mechanic coming forward or someone from Carbonsports coming forward and saying "yes Astana didn't buy all the same kind of wheel from us and at the last minute we sent a pair of special wheels or a photo showing a different spoke pattern or different hub on different Astana TT bikes or any other Astana rider coming forward or any other Astana mechanic going on record.

As I said, I thought I would regret it. Good luck CC.

 

[ravens]

Why do you think the UCI targeted Hamilton?

It was not just bad luck on Hamilton's part.

i have stated a few times I am not loaded with years of cycle racing knowledge. Basically just the last 3 or 4 years. LA's treatment of AC at the tdf is what landed me here (at this forum).

 

[ravens]

This is definitely that whackjob Jackhammer111.

It's all good. The fanboy/doping deniers provide an excellent foil to keep the facts straight and fresh. If there were no fanboys, wheelgate would just have gotten flushed down the memory hole.

 

[ravens]

Why is it when you have been proven wrong again, and again, and again, do you continue? Why do you continue to return despite being banned? Is there something missing in your life that you need consent attention even if it is negative? What pain drives to insult and threaten other posters non-stop? Did you kill animals as a child? Have you considered medication?

RR, have you considered that he doesn't actually exist and he is just a figment of all of our collective imaginations?

Neither did I....

 

[pmcg76]

RR, have you considered that he doesn't actually exist and he is just a figment of all of our collective imaginations?

Neither did I....

You are relatively new and you admit that you have only followed the sport for a few years but you come with an open mind on everything which is appreciated.

But since this forum started, there has always been somebody like CarbonCrank, whether they are all the same person or just a handful of people. They take the exact same stance and the exact same post pattern, i.e almost exclusively in Lance threads and are incredily industrious in their postings. They acquire knowledge from places like wikipedia and try to bluff their way through stuff they dont know. Genreally they just go against the accpted view on everything.

The reason they stay in Lance threads is they dont want to be seen contradicting themselves commenting on something else in case it implicates Lance. It just bizarre, they accuse us of being obsessed with Lance but the majority on here post on all threads, Lance is an unfortunately big piece of the puzzle, in contrast these people stay on one subject which kinda negates their argument that we are obsessed.

Sometimes, I think its still the same person who is a little bit more knowledgable each time they return because they studied a little more or learned a little bit more before being banned again. It entertains me sometimes and I think a lot of people like yourself gain real insight into matters as we have to constantly restate then so they are actually of benefit to forum members, despite ****ing the more veteran posters.

 

[ravens]

You are relatively new and you admit that you have only followed the sport for a few years but you come with an open mind on everything which is appreciated.

But since this forum started, there has always been somebody like CarbonCrank, whether they are all the same person or just a handful of people. They take the exact same stance and the exact same post pattern, i.e almost exclusively in Lance threads and are incredily industrious in their postings. They acquire knowledge from places like wikipedia and try to bluff their way through stuff they dont know. Genreally they just go against the accpted view on everything.

The reason they stay in Lance threads is they dont want to be seen contradicting themselves commenting on something else in case it implicates Lance. It just bizarre, they accuse us of being obsessed with Lance but the majority on here post on all threads, Lance is an unfortunately big piece of the puzzle, in contrast these people stay on one subject which kinda negates their argument that we are obsessed.

Sometimes, I think its still the same person who is a little bit more knowledgable each time they return because they studied a little more or learned a little bit more before being banned again. It entertains me sometimes and I think a lot of people like yourself gain real insight into matters as we have to constantly restate then so they are actually of benefit to forum members, despite ****ing the more veteran posters.

i still contend that demandmedia is paying him either by the word or post, and I am honestly jealous because I really need the money.

 

[Señor_Contador]

[...]They could not have literally meant lightweight 240 brand. So I had to go with what they may have meant and it took awhile to figure that out.

The Contador camp claims Lance was the only one given a fancy new Lightweight 190. Bruyneel claim the all had access to the same material, which would include the fancy schmancy new wheel.

If that were the case why were there only two L190s present in the truck the day prior to the start of the TdF?

I doubt AC is responsible for the switch to Specialized. That's up to the business side of things. He could then and still can get any wheels he wants. Note to those that think I'm just a fanboy. I've never read his book or books and I ride Specialized not Trek.

I've already stated that it was my opinion on this one, me connecting dots. i wouldn't be surprised if AC made Specialized one of his requirements in order to stay with Astana. Again, this is just me connecting dots.

That is not confirmation from Carbonsports as was claimed by RR.

Am I RR?

Publicus is right when he says basicly in the end 150 grams or whatever wouldn't amount to a hill of bean in the race. As for PSYOPS? Even if the wheels were different, which I still don't buy, what it says about Alberto is that he thought 150 grams on a TT bike might lose him the tour. That is weakness. Strength would be to have the "Spanish mechanic" to tell Lance that he was going to kick his *** with the heavier wheel, and then go do it.

A lot of mumbo-jumbo I could care less about.

I wish some forum member in Europe or say, Susan, would just get on the frinkin' phone to Carbonsports or whoever aand get someone to go on the record. The journalism on this has been flat out lazy. Belive it or not Carbonsports actually has telephones. They have employees.

I'm not sure as to what you need to hear from CarbonSports. You've got Alberto saying that he bought his own equipment and you've got Johan saying that everyone got the same equipment and that Alberto did not buy anything, only to retract later in a Marca interview by saying that Alberto did indeed buy the L190s.

Actually I'm going to get on the phone and call Trek, and then I'm wrting Susan and we'll see if she's interested in talking to someone on the record about.

Someone else should call Carbonsports. I don't have an international calling plan. Someone that speaks the language should check out their forum.

I don't know why you keep bring up CarbobSports... that's your beef with RR. I am telling you what is on record, coming out of Johan Bruyneel's mouth.

 

[Bike Boy]

I know we've been over this for weeks now, but I find my self puzzled over this cooment:

"There was a pair of wheels of a certain brand that were more advanced and lighter than the rest. I thought that there had to be equality in the team and I decided to buy a pair. We shouldn't have to go on and on about this - that's the way it was, period."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-im-better-than-in-2009

Is this a brilliant move by Contador? placing this "knife" with carefull discretion, or is it Contador begging the journalist to drop the story (as his actual words suggests)?

It seems that the majority of members on this forum, are dying to see the journalists investigate this story thoroughly. But how can we expect them to do that, when either part in this matter obviously lacks the interest herein?

 

[Polish]

Lance donates his wheels/bikes to charity

Finally - the crux of the biscuit.....Alberto admits he was jealous:

"There was a pair of wheels of a certain brand that were more advanced and lighter than the rest. I thought that there had to be equality in the team and I decided to buy a pair. "

BooHoo, Lance had better wheels. WaaWaa.


What is going to happen when Alberto sees the Sky Team Bus?

 

[BikeCentric]

Finally - the crux of the biscuit.....Alberto admits he was jealous:

"There was a pair of wheels of a certain brand that were more advanced and lighter than the rest. I thought that there had to be equality in the team and I decided to buy a pair. "

BooHoo, Lance had better wheels. WaaWaa.


What is going to happen when Alberto sees the Sky Team Bus?

I know you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer but can you give us another example of a team leader being issued equipment that is inferior to his domestiques? Also can you think of any reason why this would make sense?

 

[Carboncrank]

I gave you the link were MARCA said that Carbonsports confirmed it to them. By ignoring it we can only assume you are *** or are being willfully ignorant in order to get attention.

You keep saying that. I can find 4 or 5 times you say that but you haven't actually done it.

On another tread you posted this link;

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/2...Spanish-writer-contradicts-recent-claims.aspx

If this is the one you claim Carbonsports confirmed it you'd be wrong.

One thing I do note from that version though; "Garai stated that the retail cost of the new wheel was approximately 5000 euro."

Notice it says wheel, not wheels. Translations have made this stuff hard but I'm going with what it says.

And note that it says retail cost. That means the wheel is available to the public.

There is no carbonsports lightweight disc 190 that retails for more than 1500 euros that I can find anywhere. The 1500 euro wheel is the one more than one of us posted links too.

When facts are inconsistent with statements, I doubt the statements unless the facts change. In my opinion that's what reasonable people do.

 

[Race Radio]

You keep saying that. I can find 4 or 5 times you say that but you haven't actually done it.

On another tread you posted this link;

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/2...Spanish-writer-contradicts-recent-claims.aspx

If this is the one you claim Carbonsports confirmed it you'd be wrong.

One thing I do note from that version though; "Garai stated that the retail cost of the new wheel was approximately 5000 euro."

Notice it says wheel, not wheels. Translations have made this stuff hard but I'm going with what it says.

And note that it says retail cost. That means the wheel is available to the public.

There is no carbonsports lightweight disc 190 that retails for more than 1500 euros that I can find anywhere. The 1500 euro wheel is the one more than one of us posted links too.

When facts are inconsistent with statements, I doubt the statements unless the facts change. In my opinion that's what reasonable people do.

Your troll game is getting tiring, but that is your goal. It has been posted many times.

For example here

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=143434&postcount=565

http://marcawas5.recoletos.es/blogs/Controlador?opcion=9&codPost=5087

the story of the wheels is strictly true, as I have confirmed, apart from Alberto himself, other people around, and among them the commissioned firm of Lightwight.

I am sure you will once again post some nonsensical garbage, if I do not respond I am sure the voices in your head will keep you company

 

[dolophonic]

Finally - the crux of the biscuit.....Alberto admits he was jealous:

"There was a pair of wheels of a certain brand that were more advanced and lighter than the rest. I thought that there had to be equality in the team and I decided to buy a pair. "

BooHoo, Lance had better wheels. WaaWaa.


What is going to happen when Alberto sees the Sky Team Bus?

Well i don't think they will be racing the Team Bus will they?

 

[Kingsley A]

Proof would be the Spanish mechanic coming forward or someone from Carbonsports coming forward and saying "yes Astana didn't buy all the same kind of wheel from us and at the last minute we sent a pair of special wheels or a photo showing a different spoke pattern or different hub on different Astana TT bikes or any other Astana rider coming forward or any other Astana mechanic going on record.

Ah, I get it now; Nixon was innocent! Woodward and Bernstien had nothing but an anonymous source naming himself after a popular porn movie of the day. There were no bugs in the Watergate hotel, it was all a conspiracy concocted by Ford because being VP wasn't enough!

Quoting of anonymous sources is considered an acceptable part of journalism. In most functional democracies, journalists are protected from having to name their sources in court by law or constitution (Britain being one of the few exceptions).

There is however a legal means for LA/JB to demonstrate these accusations are false. But until I read that the respectable newspaper named Marca is being sued for libel in the Spanish courts I will continue to assume that the information they are presenting is accurate and that LA/JB don't have a leg to stand on.

 

[53 x 11]

i still contend that demandmedia is paying him either by the word or post, and I am honestly jealous because I really need the money.

I thought that. I even started looking around their website to see if they could hook me up.......

I love Lance, he rocks, greatest cyclist of all time, His one ball is twice the size of Merckx's, whats the Giro, dont they make helmets for Lance? He won his races because he figured out that pedaling 5 rpm faster produced .1 watts more sustained power and that ment stage wins.

GIVE ME MONEY YOU *******S.