Contador and Spanish cycling

[Martina]

LIE
It is untrue that 'there is no new test' - read the ****ing section on Armstrong's blood profiles from 2009-2010. You know, that year when he was riding around with the Armstrong.

LaFlo: if you need help to understand the blood profiles, there is a very nice explanation for novices by M. Ashenden in the first part of this article:
http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2012/behind-scenes-contador-cas-hearing-michael-ashendeng

So you agree that Contador doped with Bruyneel and is worried they will expose him and he will get life ban and stripped a la Armstrong?
Lets hope it happens.

Actually, I hope Alberto will just shut up about lack of respect, confess (he already served his 2 years anyway), appologize and ride - he is very exciting rider to have in the field.
I really, really wish the doping may end, but (sight) in this moment I don't believe there will not be few stupidos with too big ego who will not be able to resist. It takes certain degree of maturity to acknowledge the clean sport is more valuable even for the athlete himself as only then he can be sure who is better rider (and not who has better lab).

 

[Mellow Velo]

Either:
a) Bertie, is still the serial doper and never came off the programme.
b) Bertie is running scared of all the skeletons he left in the Disco/Astana's closets.

I took his Vuelta performance on face value, without realising he was still two-faced.
Straight back into the naughty corner with his mate, Piti.

 

[Angliru]

None of it is "true", it all sounds like it could be coming straight from Tim Herman's mouth.
Pretty clear to me that all pros who react this way are dopers too. And as for that clean Spanish rider, I'm sure there are a lot......we've just never heard of them internationally. Sadly this is probably true of most nationalities.

...are we all forgetting the late Xavier Tondo for one?

 

[noddy69]

Its a disgrace. Alberto, Valverde, Purito all need to go. The vuelta was a clear statement of intent to carry on doping while others may not be. Sanchez too, the peleton seems split on the matter with Wiggins etc (not saying he is whiter than white here) coming out in anger and bertie and the doper brigade defending him.
If ever the omerta has to change for the better it is now, the riders need to stand up to the dopers and give them a hard time, they know who they are.

Will it happen. In short no. The UCI is gutless and have no inclination to clear up cycling and the peleton is still headed up by dopers.

Sad but true.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Actually, I hope Alberto will just shut up about lack of respect, confess (he already served his 2 years anyway), appologize and ride - he is very exciting rider to have in the field.

Why would he do that. He'd lose all his victories, might get a lifetime ban and besides without doping he probably wouldn't be exciting at all.

 

[Benotti69]

Why would he do that. He'd lose all his victories, might get a lifetime ban and besides without doping he probably wouldn't be exciting at all.

So you prefer dopers?

If so why not remain in lala land aka road racing forum where no one really dopes

 

[No_Balls]

Either:
a) Bertie, is still the serial doper and never came off the programme.
b) Bertie is running scared of all the skeletons he left in the Disco/Astana's closets.

Could definitively be both but most probably the second option.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

I think a lot of riders would privately agree with the same nonsense Contador, Valverde and Sanchez have come out with - only difference is the other riders understand the need for cycling to be seen to be clean

 

[burning]

He really deserves his nicknames isnt it?

He's probably scared of Armstrong because of Byrunell years and has to talk nice about him

 

[mikkemus23]

In the pro road cycling sub forum Contador is treated like a god
But in the clinic he is so hated

Just like LA, no?

 

[burning]

In the pro road cycling sub forum Contador is treated like a god
But in the clinic he is so hated

In the clinic everybody hates everbody unless the rider is Moncoutie or something close to him and everybody accuses everyone

IIRC, few guys here were suspicious about Moncoutie too

 

[No_Balls]

I think a lot of riders would privately agree with the same nonsense Contador, Valverde and Sanchez have come out with - only difference is the other riders understand the need for cycling to be seen to be clean

For sho.

And thats why i have trying to adress with references to Schleck/Wiggins and a tad more who prefered to kept their mouth shut when they had the chance to speak out against Lance, but remained silent instead. These are more problematic then the airpieces because the later adresses the actual problem when them silent trying to preserve the status quo.

 

[Tom375]

Oh I'm sooo sad.

I wonder who you cheer for. Are you sure they are clean?

The point is no-one can be sure that they don't cheer for a doper! Because the sport is littered with them.
The more they protect themsleves and are allowed to behind such baseless arguments as there has been no new evidence - the evidence is testimony based etc.. - the worse it gets.

Your saying you're happy with this that if Contador gets beat by someone that's taking better drugs than him your happy with that. He's obviously one of the most naturally (irony acknowledged!) talented riders in his generation so he shouldn't need to dope or back up those that do..

That's the sport you want?? Not for me 'm afraid..

 

[Benotti69]

The Clinic is not concerned with being seen to be clean. Calling spades spades.

 

[TheEnoculator]

I have pretty much generalized the Spanish peloton as being lax in the doping issue since the Indurain comment. Then Valverde and Contador helped confirm my theory.

Anyone wanna bet Purito will defend Armstrong too?

 

[burning]

I have pretty much generalized the Spanish peloton as being lax in the doping issue since the Indurain comment. Then Valverde and Contador helped confirm my theory.

Anyone wanna bet Purito will defend Armstrong too?

I think he'll be smart enough to shut his mouth

 

[No_Balls]

In the clinic everybody hates everbody unless the rider is Moncoutie or something close to him and everybody accuses everyone

IIRC, few guys here were suspicious about Moncoutie too

Thats because the concept here is that "my favorite rider was lesser evil then yours". Mostly in here are not that intrested in the sport becoming clean as much as they can point fingers against others saying he/them doped.

The nationalism (as can be seen in this thread) is still alive and kicking.

 

[Altitude]

In the clinic everybody hates everbody unless the rider is Moncoutie or something close to him and everybody accuses everyone

IIRC, few guys here were suspicious about Moncoutie too

No, they hate everyone except for Lemond, who has never taken anything in his entire life. Get it right.

 

[hrotha]

Thats because the concept here is that "my favorite rider was lesser evil then yours". Mostly in here are not that intrested in the sport becoming clean as much as they can point fingers against others saying he/them doped.

The nationalism (as can be seen in this thread) is still alive and kicking.

Wow, projecting much?

 

[airstream]

One can try to substantiate any delirium like protection of doping in Contador's case only then a substantiation turns out to be delirious too.

 

[rhubroma]

No, they hate everyone except for Lemond, who has never taken anything in his entire life. Get it right.

No, but it was a different era. When science didn't matter as much as genetics did. The problem with doping today, is that you can never be sure who the "God-given" talents really are.

Greg was probably not immune from the culture, but the talent was there. Armstrong had it synthetically enhanced. Herein lies the difference. I can only speculate about the others. While we don’t know how a champion of yesterday would have fared on the same regime as one of today, because the margins of response are different. Conversely, the LA that existed at his peak was engineered and, in his ‘natural’ state, would not have beat Greg in the 80’s.

At least that's how I see it: or do we believe that one with a VO2 max of 82, can challange one with one of 95?

 

[Duartista]

I have pretty much generalized the Spanish peloton as being lax in the doping issue since the Indurain comment. Then Valverde and Contador helped confirm my theory.

Anyone wanna bet Purito will defend Armstrong too?

There is a small hope that Purito will say something sensible. I remember reading a comment from him last year (not long after Contador had been banned) along the lines of 'it's good that cheats get sanctioned, even if they are big names'.

 

[rhubroma]

There is a small hope that Purito will say something sensible. I remember reading a comment from him last year (not long after Contador had been banned) along the lines of 'it's good that cheats get sanctioned, even if they are big names'.

On the other hand, he rides for Katusha.

 

[The Hitch]

No, being lynched usually means being strung up for no other reason than having the wrong skin color.

As far as being betrayed is concerned, who is the greater betrayer here: the one who enforced omertà, or the ones who broke it?

Mcquaid for one. All the journos who until 3 months ago would hype Lance at the greatest. His friends in the peloton who said he was their idol and that they loved him.

 

[hrotha]

There is a small hope that Purito will say something sensible. I remember reading a comment from him last year (not long after Contador had been banned) along the lines of 'it's good that cheats get sanctioned, even if they are big names'.

That was last year. In August, when Armstrong decided not to contest the charges against him, Purito said he was a great champion who had never tested positive or something along those lines.