Contador and Spanish cycling

[LaFlorecita]

So who is his dealer since then?

How should I know

 

[LaFlorecita]

Contador has to pay 10% of UCI and WADA expenses in CAS case, what is the 10% ruling?

It's not a 10% ruling btw they just ruled he has to pay 37500 to uci and wada which is less than 10% of what they asked.

 

[Tom375]

I have no idea but I think it's a complete farce, he shouldn't be paying anything. 75000 is still way too much and what if he also has to pay the 70% of salary/2500000 fine

Why shouldn't he have to pay anything? - He was found guilty..
Normally the losing side has to pay the costs - No??
IF the costs (considerable in this case due to the rider's consistent denial) of bringing a doper to trial are having to be met by the prosecution (in this case the UCI i think?) What incentive is there for them to take other rider's to task for failing a dope test?
Whilst i am no fan of the UCI - I can't see you can have it both ways; if they take someone to court after failing a dope test and are proved right they shouldn't have to pay the costs the doper should pay the costs.
Of course he could ask the farmer that doped his cattle, leading to him eating contaminated meat to pay the costs

 

[peloton]

Why shouldn't he have to pay anything? - He was found guilty..
Normally the losing side has to pay the costs - No??
IF the costs (considerable in this case due to the rider's consistent denial) of bringing a doper to trial are having to be met by the prosecution (in this case the UCI i think?) What incentive is there for them to take other rider's to task for failing a dope test?
Whilst i am no fan of the UCI - I can't see you can have it both ways; if they take someone to court after failing a dope test and are proved right they shouldn't have to pay the costs the doper should pay the costs.
Of course he could ask the farmer that doped his cattle, leading to him eating contaminated meat to pay the costs

"Following a first decision of CAS on 6 February 2012 finding Alberto Contador guilty of a doping offence, the CAS had to rule on a request of the UCI to impose a fine on the Spanish rider. However, the CAS has been informed of an amicable settlement between the UCI and A.Contador regarding this issue and has officially terminated the arbitration."
http://www.tas-cas.org/en/infogenerales.asp/4-3-5655-1092-4-1-1/5-0-1092-15-1-1/

 

[Tinman]

http://www.tas-cas.org/en/infogenera...0-1092-15-1-1/

Wow wow more wow. Amicable settlement. Now why would that be? Anything to do perhaps with the shonky nature of this doping case to start with and what Alberto knows and could perhaps reveal at a sensitive time for UCI?

And why at a time when UCI is so under scrutiny for its flexible application of their loose rule framework would they want to be seen to again bend the rules to favor certain riders and/or situations?

One after the other. Just this week Katusha and now this. Keep it coming Pat. The file is getting bigger and bigger. As the investigation into suspicious LA related UCI rulings is taking place we are creating a new file post LA. Just convenient the Terms of Reference don't stretch to take those into account. Yet. Unless the committee of 3 have some common sense.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Why shouldn't he have to pay anything? - He was found guilty..
Normally the losing side has to pay the costs - No??
IF the costs (considerable in this case due to the rider's consistent denial) of bringing a doper to trial are having to be met by the prosecution (in this case the UCI i think?) What incentive is there for them to take other rider's to task for failing a dope test?
Whilst i am no fan of the UCI - I can't see you can have it both ways; if they take someone to court after failing a dope test and are proved right they shouldn't have to pay the costs the doper should pay the costs.
Of course he could ask the farmer that doped his cattle, leading to him eating contaminated meat to pay the costs

I see it this way.

WADA and UCI didn't win the case. They just took it to CAS for them to review it. And CAS did.

It's not Alberto's fault RFEC cleared him and UCI and WADA took it to CAS. If anyone should be paying that fine it is RFEC. There is nothing Alberto could've possibly done to avoid that fine except admitting to doping and taking the 2 year ban right away. If it were the other way around (Alberto appealing to CAS) he should be paying the costs, but not this way.

 

[LaFlorecita]

http://www.tas-cas.org/en/infogenera...0-1092-15-1-1/

Wow wow more wow. Amicable settlement. Now why would that be? Anything to do perhaps with the shonky nature of this doping case to start with and what Alberto knows and could perhaps reveal at a sensitive time for UCI?

And why at a time when UCI is so under scrutiny for its flexible application of their loose rule framework would they want to be seen to again bend the rules to favor certain riders and/or situations?

One after the other. Just this week Katusha and now this. Keep it coming Pat. The file is getting bigger and bigger. As the investigation into suspicious LA related UCI rulings is taking place we are creating a new file post LA. Just convenient the Terms of Reference don't stretch to take those into account. Yet. Unless the committee of 3 have some common sense.

Of course not. It's just Alberto not wanting a US$3,100,000 fine and the UCI not being completely confident they'll win the case so both parties agree on a certain amount of money. It happens all the time.

 

[ValleyFlowers]

CAS officially closes arbitration

CyclingNews:
Contador and UCI reach settlement re Clenbuterol doping case fine

 

[ValleyFlowers]

Amicable settlement.

Amicable PRIVATE settlement.
More of UCI's 'new transparency' programme.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Amicable PRIVATE settlement.
More of UCI's 'new transparency' programme.

Why should we have to know how much money Alberto is gonna pay the UCI?

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Why should we have to know how much money Alberto is gonna pay the UCI?

First, the UCI should be transparent in all its dealings. It is meant to be a sporting federation. Transparency should be an obligation to ensure no wrong doing.

Second, Armstrong used to make private settlements with the UCI and we know how that turned out...

 

[Swifty's Cakes]

Amicable PRIVATE settlement.
More of UCI's 'new transparency' programme.

how do you know it was the UCI that requested a non-disclosure clause?

 

[LaFlorecita]

First, the UCI should be transparent in all its dealings. It is meant to be a sporting federation. Transparency should be an obligation to ensure no wrong doing.

If Alberto demands this to be private there is nothing the UCI can do to make it more transparent.

 

[Tom375]

I see it this way.

WADA and UCI didn't win the case. They just took it to CAS for them to review it. And CAS did.

It's not Alberto's fault RFEC cleared him and UCI and WADA took it to CAS. If anyone should be paying that fine it is RFEC. There is nothing Alberto could've possibly done to avoid that fine except admitting to doping and taking the 2 year ban right away. If it were the other way around (Alberto appealing to CAS) he should be paying the costs, but not this way.

Agree to disagree on this one case is now closed anyway

 

[Swifty's Cakes]

If Alberto demands this to be private there is nothing the UCI can do to make it more transparent.

They could have refused to settle amicably and gone to court.

 

[LaFlorecita]

They could have refused to settle amicably and gone to court.

As I said:

Of course not. It's just Alberto not wanting a US$3,100,000 fine and the UCI not being completely confident they'll win the case so both parties agree on a certain amount of money. It happens all the time.

Better something than nothing

 

[sniper]

UCI + Contador setting an awkward precedent here.
Some are still more equal than others, apparently.
Shows beautifully UCI's conflict of interests.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-and-uci-reach-settlement-on-clenbuterol-doping-case-fine

 

[Swifty's Cakes]

As I said:



Better something than nothing

I agree with the second part, they did a deal and it happens all the time.

I don't agree with your statement that there was nothing the UCI could do if Contador's team say that privacy is their line in the sand. The UCI could have said their own line in the sand was transparency, walked away from the deal and taken their chances in court.

 

[ChrisE]

I see it this way.

WADA and UCI didn't win the case. They just took it to CAS for them to review it. And CAS did.

It's not Alberto's fault RFEC cleared him and UCI and WADA took it to CAS. If anyone should be paying that fine it is RFEC. There is nothing Alberto could've possibly done to avoid that fine except admitting to doping and taking the 2 year ban right away. If it were the other way around (Alberto appealing to CAS) he should be paying the costs, but not this way.

Wow I finally agree with something you say, in a black and white world.

Obviously, there is more to it than that.

 

[Tom375]

I was wondering does anyone think that Contador is racing clean now? Obviously given his former transgressions and his lack of admission to the matter (and of course his recent LAnce defending) its healthy to be sceptical about his future habits.
Personally I used to enjoy watching him race he was probably my favourite rider until it all came out in 2010, it kind of left a bitter taste in my mouth (fanboy with a typewriter syndrome that Walsh referred to recently).
What annoys me it doesn't seem that he should need to dope, it seems that he's a very talented rider that should well anyway (or was that just coz he was on the juice?) I find it a difficult one to extract one from the other.
Pre 2010 it is perceived that a lot more of the Peleton was juiced up or at least that they were super juiced (or concentrate) as opposed to now where they are just on diluted, Pharmstrong was about maybe he (Contador) felt he had to join the party.
I'm wondering now whether (having been popped, and taking into account the peleton has slowed down) he feels the need to carry on with a program.
Also wondering what the clinic's views on this are?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I'm wondering now whether (having been popped, and taking into account the peleton has slowed down) he feels the need to carry on with a program.
Also wondering what the clinic's views on this are?

Contador will continue, especially after seeing Sky annihilate everybody in the tour. I can imagine it being an optional program, a bag here and there when required.

 

[ferryman]

I was wondering does anyone think that Contador is racing clean now? Obviously given his former transgressions and his lack of admission to the matter (and of course his recent LAnce defending) its healthy to be sceptical about his future habits.
Personally I used to enjoy watching him race he was probably my favourite rider until it all came out in 2010, it kind of left a bitter taste in my mouth (fanboy with a typewriter syndrome that Walsh referred to recently).
What annoys me it doesn't seem that he should need to dope, it seems that he's a very talented rider that should well anyway (or was that just coz he was on the juice?) I find it a difficult one to extract one from the other.
Pre 2010 it is perceived that a lot more of the Peleton was juiced up or at least that they were super juiced (or concentrate) as opposed to now where they are just on diluted, Pharmstrong was about maybe he (Contador) felt he had to join the party.
I'm wondering now whether (having been popped, and taking into account the peleton has slowed down) he feels the need to carry on with a program.
Also wondering what the clinic's views on this are?

Dazed and Confused has got there first with his/her reply. Which I agree with. Not sure though what you mean by it all came out in 2010. He tested positive for a pin *** of Clenbuterol which nobody on here would describe as juice.

BUT also nobody on here would argue he is/was clean.

 

[Tom375]

Dazed and Confused has got there first with his/her reply. Which I agree with. Not sure though what you mean by it all came out in 2010. He tested positive for a pin *** of Clenbuterol which nobody on here would describe as juice.

BUT also nobody on here would argue he is/was clean.

I thought the general thrust of that was that it was possibly/probably evidence of blood doping i.e it was a residue consistent with more serious doping, not the fact that he had used the clen/ate the steak.. specifically

 

[ferryman]

I thought the general thrust of that was that it was possibly/probably evidence of blood doping i.e it was a residue consistent with more serious doping, not the fact that he had used the clen/ate the steak.. specifically

Clen to a cyclist, is most likely taken to aid weight loss. This has all been done to death ten thousand times over so best not to go there again

 

[LaFlorecita]

I was wondering does anyone think that Contador is racing clean now? Obviously given his former transgressions and his lack of admission to the matter (and of course his recent LAnce defending) its healthy to be sceptical about his future habits.
Personally I used to enjoy watching him race he was probably my favourite rider until it all came out in 2010, it kind of left a bitter taste in my mouth (fanboy with a typewriter syndrome that Walsh referred to recently).
What annoys me it doesn't seem that he should need to dope, it seems that he's a very talented rider that should well anyway (or was that just coz he was on the juice?) I find it a difficult one to extract one from the other.
Pre 2010 it is perceived that a lot more of the Peleton was juiced up or at least that they were super juiced (or concentrate) as opposed to now where they are just on diluted, Pharmstrong was about maybe he (Contador) felt he had to join the party.
I'm wondering now whether (having been popped, and taking into account the peleton has slowed down) he feels the need to carry on with a program.
Also wondering what the clinic's views on this are?

Indeed it annoys me too, I wish he could race in a dope free time, but alas that's not the way it is. He has to dope to keep up. It makes me sad because now that he was caught everyone will always see him as the one who dopes and wouldn't win anything if he doesn't. While I believe he would be the best if there was no such thing as doping. It's sad but there is nothing I can do about it. I just hope he doesn't test positive a second time.