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Contador & Armstrong will never be caught for EPO or blood boosting and here's why!!

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Kennf1 said:
Why do people respond to threads like this? Just close it. Waste of space.

Why?. Can't face the fact Lance is clean, that all of his Tour wins came without the use of EPO, that there are different means & training methods out there that can enhance athletic performance particulary in cycling over the use of EPO.

Open your mind & get with it.

"All the Tour Winners after Greg Lemond were dopers". BS. Greg, tell them about all the substances you could have taken back in your day which would have given you a huge advantage over the rest of the peleton?. "All within regulation, it wasn't doping". BS it wasn't doping.

I bet alot of you guys kid yourselves into believing that if you took EPO you would be a Tour winner yourselves while out riding. No you won't, doping can't perform miracles.
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Deadlift said:
Why?. Can't face the fact Lance is clean, that all of his Tour wins came without the use of EPO, that there are different means & training methods out there that can enhance athletic performance particulary in cycling over the use of EPO.

Open your mind & get with it.

"All the Tour Winners after Greg Lemond were dopers". BS. Greg, tell them about all the substances you could have taken back in your day which would have given you a huge advantage over the rest of the peleton?. "All within regulation, it wasn't doping". BS it wasn't doping.

I bet alot of you guys kid yourselves into believing that if you took EPO you would be a Tour winner yourselves while out riding. No you won't, doping can't perform miracles.

But it can give you the extra 5-10% which could mean the difference between 1st and 10th over three weeks.
 
Deadlift said:
They were false positives.

Officials from cycling's ruling body (UCI), Wada, the French sports ministry and the Tour de France all agree that anti-doping proceedings had not been followed out correctly regarding Armstrongs "false positives in 99'. ' This isn't a 'doping positive.

This is interesting, I hadn't realised his 6 positives weren't actually positive.
Could we please have some links?
All the more mysterious, therefore, as to why he refused to have said samples re-tested, under his closest scrutiny and protocol security, with the media watching on, for any french conspiracy.

Seems to me he missed a golden opportunity to clear his name, once and for all; putting all the "haters" in their place.
Instead, he chose to fumble the ball.
 
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the thread starter responded to my post but i cant make heads or tales of what hes saying classic lol. normally trolls irritate me but this is funny.
 
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Deadlift,

In your original post you state that Merckyx, Lemond, Armstrong and Contador have all taken 'supps' that, whilst not banned at the time, still constitute doping. Furthermore, you state that, 'Do not think for 1 minute that Lance is "pure", that he is running on "fumes" & clean as a whistle, he isn't.' You seem to be saying here that Armstrong is a doper.

Then, in reponse to a rebuttal, you ask the rhetorical question, 'Why?. Can't face the fact Lance is clean, that all of his Tour wins came without the use of EPO...' Here you seem to be indicating that Armstrong is not a doper even though the aforementioned others remain so.

Would you mind stating more clearly what exactly your thesis is? Are these riders dopers or not dopers according to your defintion?

If you want to be taken seriously, and all of us do, and if you want to be clearly understood, and all of us do, then you need to take time to formulate your thoughts and remain consistent.
 
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Deadlift,

In your original post you state that Merckyx, Lemond, Armstrong and Contador have all taken 'supps' that, whilst not banned at the time, still constitute doping. Furthermore, you state that, 'Do not think for 1 minute that Lance is "pure", that he is running on "fumes" & clean as a whistle, he isn't.' You seem to be saying here that Armstrong is a doper.

Then, in reponse to a rebuttal, you ask the rhetorical question, 'Why?. Can't face the fact Lance is clean, that all of his Tour wins came without the use of EPO...' Here you seem to be indicating that Armstrong is not a doper even though the aforementioned others remain so.

Would you mind stating more clearly what exactly your thesis is? Are these riders dopers or not dopers according to your defintion?

If you want to be taken seriously, and all of us do, and if you want to be clearly understood, and all of us do, then you need to take time to formulate your thoughts and remain consistent.

The main problem with the first post is that there's absolutely no discernible point to it.
 

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BroDeal said:
They did catch him. Six positives for EPO.

Those "six positives"? Puhleeez.

Those "six positives" are as REAL as "Floyd's 2006 TdF Win".

They are all marked with asterisks, because they do not count.
 
Polish said:
Those "six positives"? Puhleeez.

Those "six positives" are as REAL as "Floyd's 2006 TdF Win".

They are all marked with asterisks, because they do not count.

However, you believe whole heartedly in one asterisk, while desperately trying to discredit the other.

Get a re-test Lance and help your fanboys win an argument, for once.:rolleyes:
 
Deadlift,

Simply, you are wrong.

Your argument is illogical and you are poorly informed.

I do not believe for a moment that you are in 'formal' research of ergogenics, legal or otherwise.

Journal of Applied Physiology, or Medicine and Science in Sport and Exercise, via PubMed would be a good place for you to start. Access to abstracts are free. That should give you a lifetime of reading that refutes your argument.
 
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Deadlift,

In your original post you state that Merckyx, Lemond, Armstrong and Contador have all taken 'supps' that, whilst not banned at the time, still constitute doping. Furthermore, you state that, 'Do not think for 1 minute that Lance is "pure", that he is running on "fumes" & clean as a whistle, he isn't.' You seem to be saying here that Armstrong is a doper.

Then, in reponse to a rebuttal, you ask the rhetorical question, 'Why?. Can't face the fact Lance is clean, that all of his Tour wins came without the use of EPO...' Here you seem to be indicating that Armstrong is not a doper even though the aforementioned others remain so.

Would you mind stating more clearly what exactly your thesis is? Are these riders dopers or not dopers according to your defintion?

If you want to be taken seriously, and all of us do, and if you want to be clearly understood, and all of us do, then you need to take time to formulate your thoughts and remain consistent.

Thank you for asking deadlift a very good question.

And deadlift, don't be ridiculous!
 

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Ripper said:
Thank you for asking deadlift a very good question.

And deadlift, don't be ridiculous!

Well you no good talking slimeballs.

I will reiterate... for the people who consistently insist on pussy footing & riding the 1 meat & 2 veg of EPO's "god like status".

Its probable, Armstrong could be taking a secret combination of supplements, only known to him, that works, all legit by WADA remember. What I mean by works?. A combination of supplements that can see an improvement in every aspect of performance within regulation.

I do not believe for 1 minute Lance is stupid enough to take EPO, when he knows what I know (and more)... When EPO can get you banned & there being better alternatives out there all within WADA.

& remember what Riis said when he came out, EPO wasn't all that. Yeah, hes 100% correct about that.

Right from this moment on, Lets start pulling our heads out of our $$'s regarding EPO & looking at the bigger picture.

For crying out LOUD.
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red_flanders said:
I don't know anyone who thinks Lance has been taking EPO since 2000. Clearly they're blood doping with some other things mixed in.

Its disgusting, absolutely disgusting... Such hatred shouldn't be engineered towards one guy for keeping clean & proving his innocence at every turn, poor sod. Sour grapes.
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Dear oh dear,

Deadlift, you have only made one correct statement so far in your amusing attempt to troll. Lance Armstrong will never be caught for his use of PED's for one reason and one reason only.

He won the 1999 TdF.

By winning it he has protection from the UCI until they admit that the sport is still as murky as it was in 98 during the Festina affair, in other words - indefinitely.

Don't bother replying as you are now on IGNORE :)
 
Deadlift said:
Well you no good talking slimeballs.

I will reiterate... for the people who consistently insist on pussy footing & riding the 1 meat & 2 veg of EPO's "god like status".

Its probable, Armstrong could be taking a secret combination of supplements, only known to him, that works, all legit by WADA remember. What I mean by works?. A combination of supplements that can see an improvement in every aspect of performance within regulation.

I do not believe for 1 minute Lance is stupid enough to take EPO, when he knows what I know (and more)... When EPO can get you banned & there being better alternatives out there all within WADA.

& remember what Riis said when he came out, EPO wasn't all that. Yeah, hes 100% correct about that.

Right from this moment on, Lets start pulling our heads out of our $$'s regarding EPO & looking at the bigger picture.

For crying out LOUD.

You said earlier that doping doesn't perform miracles, yet Lance's "secret cocktail of legal supplements" does?

Your posts are good fun!
 
Deadlift said:
Well you no good talking slimeballs.

I will reiterate... for the people who consistently insist on pussy footing & riding the 1 meat & 2 veg of EPO's "god like status".

Its probable, Armstrong could be taking a secret combination of supplements, only known to him, that works, all legit by WADA remember. What I mean by works?. A combination of supplements that can see an improvement in every aspect of performance within regulation.

I do not believe for 1 minute Lance is stupid enough to take EPO, when he knows what I know (and more)... When EPO can get you banned & there being better alternatives out there all within WADA.

& remember what Riis said when he came out, EPO wasn't all that. Yeah, hes 100% correct about that.

Right from this moment on, Lets start pulling our heads out of our $$'s regarding EPO & looking at the bigger picture.

For crying out LOUD.

LMAO! "no good talking slimeballs" ... LMAO again! :D

Don't be a complete nutter. Is this Lance himself? Gosh, by saying it is "probable" he was taking a cocktail of legal supplements and that says everything. How about lots-o Beta Alanine there breadlift? That would be a whole lot more potent than sodium bicarb. Of course, that would only help a wee bit, so he should use some Optygen. But I guess it all amounts to a drop in the pond compared to blood doping and HGH.

Oh darn, I let the cat out of the bag. Lancie is taking his own blood (among other things). Oh ya ... and some Optygen and NO Explode :D

You sir, are an uneducated twitter. :p (ummm, no offence)
 

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LMAO! "no good talking slimeballs" ... LMAO again! :D

Don't be a complete nutter. Is this Lance himself? Gosh, by saying it is "probable" he was taking a cocktail of legal supplements and that says everything. How about lots-o Beta Alanine there breadlift? That would be a whole lot more potent than sodium bicarb. Of course, that would only help a wee bit, so he should use some Optygen. But I guess it all amounts to a drop in the pond compared to blood doping and HGH.

Oh darn, I let the cat out of the bag. Lancie is taking his own blood (among other things). Oh ya ... and some Optygen and NO Explode :D

You sir, are an uneducated twitter. :p (ummm, no offence)

No he is correct....... the Tornado is only on FRS..... it is the ****! LMAO

tired of tired......get the FRS.......

thanks,,,,,andrewdHOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO
 
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Deadlift said:
Well you no good talking slimeballs.

I will reiterate... for the people who consistently insist on pussy footing & riding the 1 meat & 2 veg of EPO's "god like status".

Its probable, Armstrong could be taking a secret combination of supplements, only known to him, that works, all legit by WADA remember. What I mean by works?. A combination of supplements that can see an improvement in every aspect of performance within regulation.

I do not believe for 1 minute Lance is stupid enough to take EPO, when he knows what I know (and more)... When EPO can get you banned & there being better alternatives out there all within WADA.

& remember what Riis said when he came out, EPO wasn't all that. Yeah, hes 100% correct about that.

Right from this moment on, Lets start pulling our heads out of our $$'s regarding EPO & looking at the bigger picture.

For crying out LOUD.

Who are you to talk about EPO not being "all that."
You keep babbling about EPO, but you don't mention blood transfusions.
And by the way, when Riis was doing EPO, everyone else was too.

Tell you what. Go and conduct your own little experiment. Go ride your favorite climb at whatever your normal Hct is, then go on a course of epo and ride at a crit of 52 and tell us there's no difference. Then report back. We'll wait.
 
Deadlift said:
Its disgusting, absolutely disgusting... Such hatred shouldn't be engineered towards one guy for keeping clean. Sour grapes.

Is this thread just a setup for you to call accuse people of hating Lance?

I don't hate Lance. I do have a problem with those amongst his fans who can't put a series of cogent thoughts together.

Here's an idea. Instead of using a thread as a setup to call people haters, why don't you produce some evidence that EPO is ineffective. Or that there is a cocktail of some specific drugs that would overshadow it's performance.

I'm sure Lance will be interested to find out.
 
red_flanders said:
Is this thread just a setup for you to call accuse people of hating Lance?

I don't hate Lance. I do have a problem with those amongst his fans who can't put a series of cogent thoughts together.

I would be satisifed if they could simply string sentences together into something that was reasonably intelligible.. I really hope English is not these people's first language.
 
BroDeal said:
I would be satisifed if they could simply string sentences together into something that was reasonably intelligible.. I really hope English is not these people's first language.

Sadly, your hope is likely incorrect. Smedlift is likely just a few points above complete moron. He sounds like he is taking it a bit personal ... just a flaming troll, or a friend of Pharmstrong?
 
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Deadlift said:
Its simple really, Because there are better alternatives to EPO, all within WADA regulations, substances that have been around since the days of Lemond, Merckx etc... Get with it. Lets stop the BS, going on like EPO is the God-Damn holy grail to athletic performance & riding its 1 meat & 2 veg... Please.

Who the hell are you to say Greg Lemond wasn't a doper, Eddie Merckx etc. Who the hell are you to say Greg "only the sun shines out of my derriere" Lemond didn't consume 10 cups of coffee before the start of each stage. THATS DOPING. Is Lemond gonna admit to doping?, NO, WHY NOT? Cos it was all within regulation back in the day.

Who the hell are you to say Eddie "only the sun shines out of my derriere" Merckx didn't add 2 teaspoons of Bicarbonate of Soda to every water bottle at the start of each refill. THATS DOPING. Is Merckx gonna admit to doping?, NO, WHY NOT? Cos it was all within regulation in the day.

IF that was the case with Merckx. Where does that put him in the "all time list" IF all the other riders in the peleton were on a placebo??? Suddenly, hes goes from being the greatest cyclist of all time to not being a top 100 rider. WHY, because hard training hasn't gotten him them wins but an excessive abuse of a substance.

I have been at the for front & spent the last 16 years of my life getting paid to research substances that influence athletic performance.

Why is contador so strong, Armstrong etc. A little substance here, A little substance there BUT BOY they make a difference (ALL WITHIN WADA REGULATION REMEMBER), BUT doping none the less.

Get off EPO's wood, there are better alternatives & both Contador & Armstrong know this. They not that bloody stupid enough to take EPO & get banned when there are better alternative out there. Do not think for 1 minute that Lance is "pure", that he is running on "fumes" & clean as a whistle, he isn't. Its probable he could be taking a secret combination of supplements, only known to him, that works, all within WADA regualtion, BUT, I do not believe for 1 minute hes stupid enough to take EPO, when he knows what I know (and more)... Especially when EPO can get you banned.

Thankyou, lets get with it...

& remember what Riis said when he came out, EPO wasn't all that. Yeah, hes 100% correct about that.

Right from this moment on, Lets start pulling our heads out of our $$'s regarding EPO & looking at the bigger picture.

For crying out LOUD.

Youre an idiot