Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[CyclistAbi]

@SHAD0W93

Tour is just one race out of many and Rogla should be supported in all races not just at Tour. Lipo was supported today on the ultimate climb. Once Rogla gets that i won't complain about the team support any more, then it's down to Rogla to deliver. Currently RBH doesn't provide that for Rogla and hence the critique.

 

[Extinction]

Yeah, but to my way of thinking it's more watts than watts per kg on this climb. Just don't know if he has the pure wattage to stay with them. Could be, genuinely no idea. Whatever the case I can't imagine him losing more than a couple seconds, and should be in a group which can reel them back.

It's always relative, higher kg requires higher watts. It's the difference between weight and watts that determines net value, not absolute watts.

 

[SHAD0W93]

@SHAD0W93

Tour is just one race out of many and Rogla should be supported in all races not just at Tour. Lipo was supported today on the ultimate climb. Once Rogla gets that i won't complain about the team support any more, then it's down to Rogla to deliver. Currently RBH doesn't provide that for Rogla and hence the critique.

If the Tour is just one race, why did the complaining worsen during and after the 2025 edition even though he wasn’t even the best rider on his team?Currently he hasn’t been riding like he deserves that this season. He has much of a chance to win some races as I do, and that’s sad considering I have no name. That doesn’t remove all the hard work he received in the previous years.

 

[red_flanders]

It's always relative, higher kg requires higher watts. It's the difference between weight and watts that determines net value, not absolute watts.

The lower the slope angle, the more pure watts matter, and vice versa.

 

[Unchained]

I will state my case, Bora, if you plan to contest TDF, you can't go with any rider occupying a spot other than Primoz" proven " Roglic.
If there is a TT or any kind at TDF, can't be anyone better to get a result. If you are doing the Tour, nobody is cooler, calmer and more collected than Roglic. Nobody can race better under no GC pressure than Primoz..Bora, no matter who you pick, there is nothing better to further their chance than Roglic, he won't win Giro or Vuelta, so why race to place? Put his skills behind best rider
If you are fleshing up a roster, comparing resumes and results, you can't leave Roglic on the sidelines

 

[Extinction]

The lower the slope angle, the more pure watts matter, and vice versa.

You mean, because of gravity?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

You mean, because of gravity?

On steep gradients gravity is the dominant resistive force and VAM is almost linear to watts per kilo (climbing speed = power divided by gravity force). On shallower gradients the influence of air resistance is bigger: this force doesn't grow linearly with mass (but less, the power is 2/3 or even less depending on body shape and its position on the bike) so more powerful guys have advantage vs less powerful as they use additional power to fight air (assuming similar w/kg for both).

 

[Extinction]

On steep gradients gravity is the dominant resistive force and VAM is almost linear to watts per kilo (climbing speed = power divided by gravity force). On shallower gradients the influence of air resistance is bigger: this force doesn't grow linearly with mass (but less, the power is 2/3 or even less depending on body shape and its position on the bike) so more powerful guys have advantage vs less powerful as they use additional power to fight air (assuming similar w/kg for both).

And where fighting air resistance isn't as big a factor on steeper grades, because speeds are lower, being lighter is better against the force of gravity? If so, why? Given similar power to weight ratios.

 

[Red Rick]

And where fighting air resistance isn't as big a factor on steeper grades, because speeds are lower, being lighter is better against the force of gravity? If so, why? Given similar power to weight ratios.

At the same W/kg, being bigger is just better, with the only exception being that shorter riders will benefit more from drafting, but that's probably not even making up for the already worse W/CdA.

It's just that being the ideal body composition for W/kg is under 65kg. I haven't really seen studies that very coherently explain why, but but I guess it just has something to do with the resistance of a cardiovascular system increasing with a greater length.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

And where fighting air resistance isn't as big a factor on steeper grades, because speeds are lower, being lighter is better against the force of gravity? If so, why? Given similar power to weight ratios.

At speeds under 20 kph air resistance is very minor compared to the gravity (which is proportional to mass). On a 15% gradient one can actually eliminate air resistance from the equation and approximate it as a linear function:
VAM = A*power/(mass*g), where mass means rider+bike (and A is a constant a bit smaller than 1).
Additional bike weight means that ligher guys need a bit more w/kg than heavier to reach the same VAM (but it's a different story).