Contador & Armstrong will never be caught for EPO or blood boosting and here's why!!

[Anonymous]

Lets all have an Ignore Party, I'll be the first one there!

 

[Race Radio]

You've picked the wrong issue to say that on. You'll have to be specific. What evidence does Dr Maserai have that there was no two-speed peloton in the early 1990s, and that it only started in 1998? What evidence does the Dr have that Armstrong did not blow himself out trying to win a stage on the flatter stages - which he did - and simply road with the grupetto on the mountains while the EPO guys, and others who had paced themselves, like Hampsten, then showed their hand? There is no evidence at all for anything he's said. He even had to use trickery at the start of our exchange by asking me why Armstrong did not beat Hampsten in the GC, knowing that it was preplanned for Armstrong to pullout anyway.

He's point is extremely thin to the point of silliness. He knows that cycling is a lot more complicated than reducing it to this. Look at how LeMond went from winning tours to not even being able to keep up with the peloton during the early 90s. Look at how Wiggins did not learn how to climb until his late 20s, or how Evans completely imploded this year. Anyone who understands the sport knows that riders often have different goals.

No, I think a fair minded person would look at my theories put against Dr Maserati's, in this thread, and side with mine. Remember how I said it's doubtful EPO is used anymore by the likes of Armstrong, yet he is still right up there.

A fair minded person would read your posts and say you are a troll.

What tier was Andy Hampsten on when he finished 8th? When he won Alp d'Huez?

Instead of inventing theories that have no basis in reality please tell about something you know about Frederic. Tell us what drives a guy to pretend he lives in another country, endlessly troll a message board, and return time and again when he gets banned? What is the medical description of your issue and is it possible that it can be controlled by medication?

 

[Race Radio]

I'm sure anyone who road with Cadel Evans or Menchov at ths year's tour said the same.

If they were *** and knew nothing of the sport.

Prior to this year there was plenty of evidence that Menchov and Evens could climb and TT. Armstrong had been a full time Profession athlete for almost 7 years before he discovered how to climb by using EPO. There was zero indication that he could climb prior to using EPO, during a time when there was little evidence of widespread use.

 

[Slayer]

It's like deja vu all over again!

One point being raised by Armstrong supporters is that EPO cannot make you a great rider. And I will grant them that. I could ride at 60% and watch Kenny Van Hummel drop me like an anvil when the rode tilts up. But a very good rider, like Lance who I believe was a very talented rider with or without PED's, can become a great stage race rider with the support of EPO, and now transfusions. I think we've seen time and time again how Armstrong decided to get on a program that included EPO, and made sudden and dramatic improvements in the ITT and climbing. It's pretty hard to argue that EPO was not beneficial when a man who struggled with hills takes a long break from competition due a life-threatening illness and returns to ride away from a supercharged peloton. Sestriere anyone?

So is Lance a great rider? Well, he dominated tours when his competition were also doping, so no matter how good his teammates were or how many cream pies were in Jan's belly, yes he was a great rider. A very talented rider who responded well to PED's and used smart team tactics to win the TDF over and over again. And could he have done this without EPO? No way. No way could he have won nearly every ITT and still dominated the mountains without EPO and blood transfusions. You know it, I know it, and Lance knows it. And the sooner we all agree that this man had some serious talent as a one-day racer, and took some serious drugs to maximize his abilities as a stage racer, the sooner we can all get on to other topics within the peloton.

First of all, don't lump me in with the other guy. I think I agree with some of his points, but I don't fully understand others. I speak for myself. There is too much blanket condemnation of The Other.

You make a good point, but the dispute is really how well LA would have done if the peloton was completely and utterly clean, and this relates to whether he deserved his tour wins or not, whether they were all doped or not.

Nobody really knows for sure.

Some think he would always have pulled out, citing this one guy who finished 8th in 1993. They believe you never get any better than when you are 18. Others like myself believe that is not fair - LA was going for different goals and Hamsten was a GC guy pacing himself, who was also at the height of his powers. We agree with people like Contador that riders go on improving into their late 20s, as he noted in a recent interview. Without the two speed peloton we believe LA would well have gone on to be a dominating tour rider, much the same way Wiggins, who we also believe is clean, has finally cracked the mountains. We believe the fact LA still dominated after the heavy EPO era was largely over, is also evidence that he deserve his reputation as amongst the best.

 

[Slayer]

What tier was Andy Hampsten on when he finished 8th? When he won Alp d'Huez?

So all of your theory is based on this one guy, Andy Hampsten, who it is asserted did not dope, got 8th in 1993, in a tour where it was preplanned that LA would pullout? I'm sorry it's not very compelling. Anyone who understands the sport would know this.

Instead of inventing theories that have no basis in reality please tell about something you know about Frederic. Tell us what drives a guy to pretend he lives in another country?

I can be from Pacific Grove, which google tells me is in california, if you want. Makes no difference to me. But the fact that you would say this doesn't really inspire confidence in your judgement.

 

[Slayer]

Prior to this year there was plenty of evidence that Menchov and Evens could climb and TT.

That's the point. Armstrong was in a two speed peloton during those years. If Greg LeMond became a pro at the same time people like you would be saying he was crap and couldn't climb.

 

[BikeCentric]

This one pathetic troll is completely destroying this discussion board. He comes back over and over again after being banned over and over again and makes a ridiculous number of completely insane posts.

Moderators you'd better figure out a permanent way to deal with this guy or I can assure that you the majority of the knowledgeable posters here are going to leave. Which is what the troll wants of course. Don't let the troll win moderators.

 

[Deadlift]

A fair minded person would read your posts and say you are a troll.

A fair minded person would read your posts and say you are a hater. Looking for excuses as to why Lance has been so dominant. Looking at past history of performances & results, we can actually see doping has had a deprimential effect on cycling performance & results, not a positive. So don't kid yourself that doping is the be all, end all, to winning the Tour. History has proved otherwise.

And another thing, don't think the sun shines out of Lemonds **** neither, it doesn't.

 

[Anonymous]

A fair minded person would read your posts and say you are a hater. Looking for excuses as to why Lance has been so dominant. Looking at past history of performances & results, we can actually see doping has had a deprimential effect on cycling performance & results, not a positive. So don't kid yourself that doping is the be all, end all, to winning the Tour. History has proved otherwise.

And another thing, don't think the sun shines out of Lemonds **** neither, it doesn't.

A fair minded person would look at you and tell you to quit sniffing Lance's shorts.

 

[Slayer]

This one pathetic troll is completely destroying this discussion board. He comes back over and over again after being banned over and over again and makes a ridiculous number of completely insane posts.

Moderators you'd better figure out a permanent way to deal with this guy or I can assure that you the majority of the knowledgeable posters here are going to leave. Which is what the troll wants of course. Don't let the troll win moderators.

Whilst I have patiently and politely discussed a subject matter with another user, this is the third post of yours in this thread that has absolutely nothing of substance to say and merely tries to insult people. If you can't think of anything of substance then please do not disrupt the thread.

 

[Deadlift]

A fair minded person would look at you and tell you to quit sniffing Lance's shorts.

I'm just saying how it is. History has proved that EPO had burdened performances & results. Its not had a positive role to play in the Tour like so many of the nut huggers on here seem to think, fact. History states so.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Whilst I have patiently and politely discussed a subject matter with another user, this is the third post of yours in this thread that has absolutely nothing of substance to say and merely tries to insult people. If you can't think of anything of substance then please do not disrupt the thread.

Well maybe you can "patiently and politley" show me exactly where I wrote that anyone was "***" that youy quoted me earlier.

 

[Deadlift]

And following on... It hasn't played a role in Lances victories. We can quite clearly see from past history, EPO or no EPO, doesn't matter, It can't win you the Tour.

 

[BikeCentric]

blah blah blah Lance Lance Lance.

How telling that you decided that my post was directed at you when in fact I deliberately did not respond directly to you nor did I quote you.

You went directly to "persecution complex mode" very quickly this time.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I'm just saying how it is. History has proved that EPO had burdened performances & results. Its not had a positive role to play in the Tour like so many of the nut huggers on here seem to think, fact. History states so.

Hombre? .

 

[Deadlift]

So Greg, at your next rally & you mention Armstrong, lets hear a shout about EPO being irrelevant to performance, irrelevant to winning & start looking at the bigger picture when it comes to winning cycling events & enhancing athletic performance.

 

[Race Radio]

So all of your theory is based on this one guy, Andy Hampsten, who it is asserted did not dope, got 8th in 1993, in a tour where it was preplanned that LA would pullout? I'm sorry it's not very compelling. Anyone who understands the sport would know this.

Anyone who understand the sport would realize that my conclusion is drawn from more then one race and one rider. The 1993 Tour was not the only race where Armstrong was dropped as soon as the road went up. For years before that it was clear he could not climb.....but of course you had no idea that the sport even existed back then so we should not expect you to know this.

 

[Deadlift]

The heavy dopers in cycling history have proved at that period in time (with flailing results) that taking EPO doesn't win them a Tour over a clean rider... Its been proven. A tour loss, is a loss in performance all the while being honked to the eyeballs on EPO.

 

[Deadlift]

But they lost.

Why?????????????

Cos he EPO is a big pile of $hit.....

Get with it...

 

[Dr. Maserati]

And following on... It hasn't played a role in Lances victories. We can quite clearly see from past history, EPO or no EPO, doesn't matter, It can't win you the Tour.

Wow - Lance is going to be mad........ you see he had some show up in his weewee and its not exactly cheap.

I hope he gets his money back from the UCI too.

 

[Deadlift]

Now lets stop overrating the damn CRAP...

 

[Race Radio]

The heavy dopers in cycling history have proved at that period in time (with flailing results) that taking EPO doesn't win them a Tour over a clean rider... Its been proven. A tour loss, is a loss in performance all the while being honked to the eyeballs on EPO.

How has it been proven? So far you have shown nothing.

Prior to EPO the record up Alp d'huez was 41:30 a few years later it was 37:30.

How does a clear rider compete with that level of improvement?

 

[Ripper]

YES. I have just proved it with the flailing results top riders have achieved while taking EPO.

..........
Nope.

 

[Hugh Januss]

A fair minded person would read your posts and say you are a hater. Looking for excuses as to why Lance has been so dominant. Looking at past history of performances & results, we can actually see doping has had a deprimential effect on cycling performance & results, not a positive. So don't kid yourself that doping is the be all, end all, to winning the Tour. History has proved otherwise.

And another thing, don't think the sun shines out of Lemonds **** neither, it doesn't.

A fair minded person would read your posts and conclude that you are one tick above a moron, and that the only thing you have going for yourself is a singleminded purpose to focus on continuing to prove over and over again just how much of a troll you really are.

 

[Kennf1]

This thread is kind of like arguing with drunk 4 year-olds.