Contador & Armstrong will never be caught for EPO or blood boosting and here's why!!

[buckwheat]

I will reiterate...

Dopers do crap, keep doping & get even crapper.

Anyway, bedtime...

You mean like East German athletes? Sorry, that's a whole country.

Like powerlifters which include Deadlifters? No, you're right, Dope don't do nothing, NOTHING, nada.

 

[karlboss]

History states; if Lance juices up in 2010 and Wiggins runs clean, Wiggins will beat him. History has stated this fact.

Doping doesn't win you the Tour.

of course not...riis

 

[Ripper]

I will reiterate...

Dopers do well, keep doping the same way, appear to get worse as others dope and innovate, and so it goes.

Anyway, time to touch myself

There we go

For the others that read this, my apologies, I just could not resist anymore

 

[buckwheat]

Now lets stop overrating the damn CRAP...

Bro, take a modafinil and tell me PED's don't work, and a modafinil is nothing. That $hit makes you a completely different person for cripes sake.



Is anyone home there?

 

[BYOP88]

Bro, take a modafinil and tell me PED's don't work, and a modafinil is nothing. That $hit makes you a completely different person for cripes sake.



Is anyone home there?

No sadly for him/her, the wheel is there but the hamster died a long time ago.

 

[Hugh Januss]

History states; if Lance juices up in 2010 and Wiggins runs clean, Wiggins will beat him. History has stated this fact.

Doping doesn't win you the Tour.

What history states is that you are a fricken' idiot, as you continue to make the same lamebrained claim over and over again, without ever offering the tiniest shred of proof that anything you say has even a passing acquaintance with fact.
Here is how it looks to me, an impartial observer.
You make some rediculous statement as if it was fact. Several other people waste their time presenting facts that discredit your "theory". You come back with an even more asinine statement using the now "documented" veracity (in your mind) of your first statement as "proof" that this new flight of fancy has a leg to stand on.
For awhile it was entertaining, but now it is getting old.

Everyone remember the old adage "feed a cold, starve a troll".

 

[Slayer]

Well, to help Deadlift out here, a pint of beetroot juice a day can improve time to exhaustion by 16%.

That's not insignificant if you think that a moutain stage finish is almost like a time to exhaustion competition.

I wonder how long the top pros have known about this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8186947.stm

 

[L29205]

Well, to help Deadlift out here, a pint of beetroot juice a day can improve time to exhaustion by 16%.

That's not insignificant if you think that a moutain stage finish is almost like a time to exhaustion competition.

I wonder how long the top pros have known about this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8186947.stm

While I will give you a thumbs up for providing something of substance to this train wreck of a thread, "After drinking beetroot juice the group was able to cycle for an average of 11.25 minutes - 92 seconds longer than when they were given the placebo" not a realistic time frame when you put it in context of a 6 hour stage.

As a side note beet juice is very high in sugar.

 

[Hugh Januss]

While I will give you a thumbs up for providing something of substance to this train wreck of a thread, "After drinking beetroot juice the group was able to cycle for an average of 11.25 minutes - 92 seconds longer than when they were given the placebo" not a realistic time frame when you put it in context of a 6 hour stage.

As a side note beet juice is very high in sugar.

And it tastes really really bad.

 

[Slayer]

While I will give you a thumbs up for providing something of substance to this train wreck of a thread, "After drinking beetroot juice the group was able to cycle for an average of 11.25 minutes - 92 seconds longer than when they were given the placebo" not a realistic time frame when you put it in context of a 6 hour stage..

Well, this is how these studies are usually done with EPO and banned stimulants like modafinil. They shove ordinary people on an excersize bikes and see the difference. It probably wouldn't be as much as 16% for a pro but it could still do something. I'm surprised it hasn't been researched at a high level. The process behind it is very interesting.

 

[BroDeal]

While I will give you a thumbs up for providing something of substance to this train wreck of a thread, "After drinking beetroot juice the group was able to cycle for an average of 11.25 minutes - 92 seconds longer than when they were given the placebo" not a realistic time frame when you put it in context of a 6 hour stage.

As a side note beet juice is very high in sugar.

You have to wonder if they compared beet root juice to a sugar solution with the same number of calories.

 

[Slayer]

And it tastes really really bad.

JameWhite mix it with 10% apple juice to make it taste better. Does the trick for me! The sugar can't be that bad because heart problem people take it.

http://www.jameswhite.co.uk/organics/organicveg.php

 

[L29205]

Well, this is how these studies are usually done with EPO and banned stimulants like modafinil. They shove ordinary people on an excersize bikes and see the difference. It probably wouldn't be as much as 16% for a pro but it could still do something. I'm surprised it hasn't been researched at a high level. The process behind it is very interesting.

This where I start to disagree, it is a simple fact EPO provides more red blood cells. Transfusion provides more red blood cells. More O2 = better performance.

During chemo my dad's red blood cell count was able to be maintained at a normal level when twice a week the oncologists were trying to kill what was killing him. EPO is a wonder drug if used properly.

BTW, switch to Firefox as a browser, it will catch most spell check issues like excersize. Unless you were trying to make a statement by misspelling a common word that is used on a cycling forum day in day out.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

This is one of the dumbest threads of all time and it's gone to what, 22 pages?

WTF, people?

If we're going to respond to every single Armstrong salad-tosser who comes out with stupid new theories, we're going to be wasting a lot of time.

 

[Race Radio]

I know because I'm proving you wrong. That the history of EPO's most prevalent users, didn't win tours & didn't see improvements in there performances. We can see that through the years. History says so.

History says you do not know what you are talking about. The easy thing would be to call you a moron....but that is what you want as there is no way you actually believe this. I find it hard to believe that anyone who has the mental skill to turn on the computer and get on the internet could be so clueless so this must be just another attempt to troll by writing the stupidest thing you can think of.

Pantani, Ulrich, Armstrong, Riis, Rominger, Tonkov, Argentin, Chiappucci. All won Tours and saw huge improvements with EPO.

 

[Slayer]

This where I start to disagree, it is a simple fact EPO provides more red blood cells. Transfusion provides more red blood cells. More O2 = better performance.

You're not really disagreeing with me. I don't dispute that. But I'm saying that beetroot juice might still make a not insignificant difference. There needs to be more studies.

However, I have read accounts of regular cyclists who have done EPO who were a little disappointed by it. They say they improved but they didn't start beating everyone under the sun. So maybe there is a little something in the idea it can be over hyped. You still have to train hard and have the talent to be a high level cyclist.

Indeed, all this talk of EPO transforming people might encourage people to dope. They think all they have to do is have a couple of injections and they can be as good as a grand tour winner. It's not really true.

 

[Barnaby]

History says you do not know what you are talking about.................Pantani, Ulrich, Armstrong, Riis, Rominger, Tonkov, Argentin, Chiappucci. All won Tours and saw huge improvements with EPO.

Remind us.

 

[pedaling squares]

Remind us.

Not GT's, but tours.

 

[Deadlift]

History says you do not know what you are talking about. The easy thing would be to call you a moron....but that is what you want as there is no way you actually believe this. I find it hard to believe that anyone who has the mental skill to turn on the computer and get on the internet could be so clueless so this must be just another attempt to troll by writing the stupidest thing you can think of.

Pantani, Ulrich, Armstrong, Riis, Rominger, Tonkov, Argentin, Chiappucci. All won Tours and saw huge improvements with EPO.

History proves you wrong. EPO is overhyped & does very little in the way for producing an eventual Tour winner.

 

[Ripper]

History proves you wrong. EPO is overhyped & does very little in the way for producing an eventual Tour winner.

Wow. Pharmstrong in 99 (at least with the EPO). Pantani's 'improved' TT capacity in the Giro and TdF TTs? Heras' 'improved' TT capacity in the Vuelta? Riis' 'improved' climbing capacity in the TdF? Ullrich? Looks like Hamilton was doped to the eyeballs the year he came in 4th at the TdF; blood doping at the olympics and vuelta.

Looks like history proves you wrong.

HAGDDA

 

[sars1981]

I just don't understand why so many riders keep taking EPO and getting caught when they don't even get much benefit from it anyway. They must just like attention.

 

[Ferminal]

I just don't understand why so many riders keep taking EPO and getting caught when they don't even get much benefit from it anyway. They must just like attention.

No, it's because they have to settle with mediocrity as they don't have access to Lance and Bertie's "miracle supplements".

 

[sars1981]

No, it's because they have to settle with mediocrity as they don't have access to Lance and Bertie's "miracle supplements".

I thought it was really open minded of the OP to allow for the possibility of strange exotic supplements whilst ruling out the possibility of anything banned..he's clearly a thinker..at the "for front" of doping technology.

 

[Ferminal]

Yeh, I wonder if Deadlift could explain whether or not these secret supplements have the same health risks as banned products.

Perhaps he could go into detail as he seems like such a knoweldgeable fellow

 

[tubularglue]

misposted. error on my part