Contador & Armstrong will never be caught for EPO or blood boosting and here's why!!

[VeloFidelis]

A fair minded person would read your posts and conclude that you are one tick above a moron, and that the only thing you have going for yourself is a singleminded purpose to focus on continuing to prove over and over again just how much of a troll you really are.

Hate on!... Dude

 

[Ripper]

And following on... It hasn't played a role in Lances victories.

Ha ha ha ha ha

 

[Deadlift]

This thread is kind of like arguing with drunk 4 year-olds.

I know because I'm proving you wrong. That the history of EPO's most prevalent users, didn't win tours & didn't see improvements in there performances. We can see that through the years. History says so.

 

[Deadlift]

So don't go on like doping wins you Tours. Its so far from the truth..

 

[Ripper]

So don't go on like doping wins you Tours. Its so far from the truth..

Bwa ha ha ha ha ha

 

[Ripper]

Now lets stop overrating the damn CRAP...

Sounds like you had a bad experience with it.

 

[Deadlift]

Sounds like you had a bad experience with it.

There are better alternatives out there Ripper, all within WADA regulation. Lance Armstrong knows this, add to the fact EPO gets you banned, its a no brainer & no use for Armstrong to take or dope.

 

[Ripper]

There are better alternatives out there Ripper, all within WADA regulation. Lance Armstrong knows this, add to the fact EPO gets you banned, its a no brainer & no use for Armstrong to take or dope.

And these are ...

 

[BroDeal]

And these are ...

Rice cakes, moonbeams, and powdered unicorn horn.

I think we have reached a new low in trolling. They are not even bothering to attempt to make a rational argument. Now doping does not even work; in fact rider's performance gets worse with dope. Evidently that is why they take it.

 

[Deadlift]

And these are ...

Million $ question fella... Lancey or Alberto wouldn't want to give any of there trade secrets away now would they, all within WADA regulation mind. They will never get caught, due to the fact they don't take it, nor do they need it...

 

[Deadlift]

Now doping does not even work; in fact rider's performance gets worse with dope. Evidently that is why they take it.

Bro, History says so. Sorry you can't change history & what EPO's effect has been on improving performances & results from the guys honking dope over that of a clean rider that has wiped the floor with them. Get with it.

 

[Ripper]

Million $ question fella... Lancey or Alberto wouldn't want to give any of there trade secrets away now would they, all within WADA regulation mind. They will never get caught, due to the fact they don't take it, nor do they need it...

Easy to point towards 'mysterious' supplements and not name any. And the yellow jersey will give you wings too.

From the other thread ...

Dopers dope and do well. Others dope and things change. Different people respond in different ways. Certain mixes work well (therein Ferrari's high price of service). If one amount worked the same for everyone, then 100 km ride would work the same for everyone. Doesn't. Same with dope, same with other illicit means (blood doping).

BTW - we all know Pharma and Contra are not taking EPO anymore. But transfusions are still illegal. Your reasoning is not very logical ...

 

[Ferminal]

Depends on who the rider is. 180 or so riders start a 3 week race. Hmmm, give around 160 of them EPO, they will not beat a clean Armstrong & the remaining 20 better be on top of there game in terms of looking at every aspect of athletic/cycling performance. No stone goes unturned. Case in point. When Millar was a honking doper back in the day, I remember what being drowned upto the eyeballs in EPO did for him, sweet FA. Ullrich in 97, holding off Virenque, Riis for the Tour etc...

What I'm trying to get at. EPO can't turn you into a great rider, it can't make a great rider & never will. So let riders in the future be foolish enough to dope, get banned & realize, $hit, that stuff was garbage. 160 riders. Someone tell Lemond they would never win a Tour. Get off Armstrongs jock for his "miraculous" 7 wins, start looking at the bigger picture.

Zirbel. Good one. You took a bag of crap & now your down the creek without a paddle. Was DHEA gonna turn you into a Tour Winner? Am I Michael Jackson?. Good move.

Of course EPO will not win you a GT if all the other contenders are using it. But if Lance runs clean in 2010 and Wiggins juices up, Wiggins will beat him.

 

[BroDeal]

Bro, History says so. Sorry you can't change history & what EPO's effect has been on improving performances & results from the guys honking dope over that of a clean rider that has wiped the floor with them. Get with it.

Let me guess. This is the history that exists in a bizarro universe only inhabited by yourself, Charlie Manson, and Lindsay Lohan in her more drunken moments. In the real world EPO has be scientifcally proved to have a massive performance effect.

 

[Deadlift]

Of course EPO will not win you a GT if all the other contenders are using it. But if Lance runs clean in 2010 and Wiggins juices up, Wiggins will beat him.

History states; if Lance juices up in 2010 and Wiggins runs clean, Wiggins will beat him. History has stated this fact.

Doping doesn't win you the Tour.

 

[Deadlift]

In the real world EPO has be scientifcally proved to have a massive performance effect.

Not according to the history of Tour results from the guys honked up on it.

Are we going by artificial research or by history of competition, there in the thick of it???...

 

[BroDeal]

Not according to the history of Tour results from the guys honked up on it.

Riis, Ullrich, Pantani, and Armstrong. Looks like it was pretty effective to me.

 

[Ripper]

History states; if Lance juices up in 2010 and Wiggins runs clean, Wiggins will beat him. History has stated this fact.

Doping doesn't win you the Tour.

Ha ha ha ha. Wrong on all counts. I reiterate ...

Dopers dope and do well. Others dope and things change. Different people respond in different ways. I'd say Bjarne, Franke and Marco did pretty well, but then others doped with more expertise and things changed again. Pharmie was doped on EPO in '99 smeadly.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

History states; if Lance juices up in 2010 and Wiggins runs clean, Wiggins will beat him. History has stated this fact.

Doping doesn't win you the Tour.

Wow - so the nice clean Contador beat the doped to the eyeballs Armstrong this year.

 

[Deadlift]

Riis, Ullrich, Pantani, and Armstrong. Looks like it was pretty effective to me.

Ullrich, Pantani, Armstrong, Allegation.

We saw the real honkers increasing dosages of EPO & performances actually dropping... Results state that fact in past Tours... Meaning EPO wasn't a factor.

 

[Ferminal]

History states; if Lance juices up in 2010 and Wiggins runs clean, Wiggins will beat him. History has stated this fact.

Doping doesn't win you the Tour.

If by history I'm sure you are referring to 2009, in which case Armstrong beat Wiggins.

Furthermore Bradley was still at Wigan, and Armstrong was in the pig pen, so that can give as an indication as to which was clean(er).

 

[Ferminal]

Btw, these "unnameable supplements" which boost your performance which apparently WADA know about and allow (yet WADA tells no one it's that secret). Surely if they boost a rider's haemoglobin levels, like many other O2 boosters, they would also be illegal?

We know from Lance's 2009 blood profile that his red blood cell values went up, and that the only explaination for this is EPO or transfusions, both of which you claim would not be used. So these hush hush secret supplements (WADA legal) do the same thing as EPO and transfusions, but are legal?

 

[Deadlift]

I reiterate ...

Dopers dope and do well.

I will reiterate...

Dopers do crap, keep doping & get even crapper.

Anyway, bedtime...

 

[Ferminal]

I will reiterate...

Dopers do crap, keep doping & get even crapper.

Anyway, bedtime...

Yes, Valverde, very bad cyclist.

1x Vuelta, how many GT stage wins, how many classics?

 

[L29205]

Let me guess. This is the history that exists in a bizarro universe only inhabited by yourself, Charlie Manson, and Lindsay Lohan in her more drunken moments. In the real world EPO has be scientifcally proved to have a massive performance effect.

At least Manson might be able to provide a sane prospective on the subject, since Deadlift seems to out there, and Lohan is at least easy on the eyes.

Deadlift please give us some proof of a combination supplements that can provide a legal lift above EPO. Even Dr. Ferrari's work was based on science, he didn't invent blood doping or EPO. BALCO's work was based on existing science. As others have said there are many studies that have shown that EPO is a quick and easy way to increase the red blood cell count. More red blood cells = more oxygen = more power, however you are correct on one thing it doesn't work the same for everyone. Doesn't mean that it doesn't work at all.