Contador & Armstrong will never be caught for EPO or blood boosting and here's why!!

[Mellow Velo]

History proves you wrong. EPO is overhyped & does very little in the way for producing an eventual Tour winner.

Hysterics don't prove you right.
Deadloss Deadlift.
Look at the performances of riders, caught using EPO, just recently.

2008 TDF: Ricco and Piepoli blowing all assunder, then CERA'd.
2008 Giro: Emanuele Sella. 3 mountain stage wins. Nobody could touch him.
Climbed like a rocket.
Might well have won the GC, had he not fallen and lost 20 minutes. CERA'd.
2008 TDFolka dot Kohl and Schumacher out ITTing Cancellara. Both CERA'd.
Oylmpic Rebellin. Silver CERA'd.

It may be relatively cheap and not cutting edge, but it's pretty effective.
Back in the 1990's, it did wonders.

Maybe, it didn't work for all, but that really isn't an argument.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Next on Cyclingnews Forums. A 40-page debate on whether the earth is, in fact, flat.

No use beating a Dead Lift.

 

[Deadlift]

Thats more like it, Thats more like it...

EPO doesn't make you a better rider... Or Riis, Millar, Virenque would have started winning from the get go when they started to consume it, they didn't & when they did reach the top, EPO didn't continue the trend of success.

Proof, EPO makes performances & results fail... History says so...

Don't go on like it does...

If EPO is making riders fail, it sure ain't gonna make a Armstrong a winner, lol...

 

[Deadlift]

I just don't understand why so many riders keep taking EPO and getting caught when they don't even get much benefit from it anyway. They must just like attention.

Thats more like it, Thats more like it...

EPO doesn't make you a better rider... Or Riis, Millar, Virenque would have started winning from the get go when they started to consume it, they didn't & when they did reach the top, EPO didn't continue the trend of success.

Proof, EPO makes performances & results fail... History says so...

Don't go on like it does...

If EPO is making riders fail, it sure ain't gonna make a Armstrong a winner, lol...

 

[Ripper]

Next on Cyclingnews Forums. A 40-page debate on whether the earth is, in fact, flat.

No use beating a Dead Lift.

Moose, you are wise and I will heed your advice.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Moose, you are wise and I will heed your advice.

Great. $1.00 please.

 

[Ferminal]

Thats more like it, Thats more like it...

EPO doesn't make you a better rider... Or Riis, Millar, Virenque would have started winning from the get go when they started to consume it, they didn't & when they did reach the top, EPO didn't continue the trend of success.

Proof, EPO makes performances & results fail... History says so...

Don't go on like it does...

If EPO is making riders fail, it sure ain't gonna make a Armstrong a winner, lol...

Hysterics don't prove you right.
Deadloss Deadlift.
Look at the performances of riders, caught using EPO, just recently.

2008 TDF: Ricco and Piepoli blowing all assunder, then CERA'd.
2008 Giro: Emanuele Sella. 3 mountain stage wins. Nobody could touch him.
Climbed like a rocket.
Might well have won the GC, had he not fallen and lost 20 minutes. CERA'd.
2008 TDFolka dot Kohl and Schumacher out ITTing Cancellara. Both CERA'd.
Oylmpic Rebellin. Silver CERA'd.

It may be relatively cheap and not cutting edge, but it's pretty effective.
Back in the 1990's, it did wonders.

Maybe, it didn't work for all, but that really isn't an argument.

kkkkkkkkkkkkkk

 

[Deadlift]

Maybe, EPO didn't work for all, but that really isn't an argument.

Yeah... Where all different right???....

Take a walk.

It just works for eventual Tour & classic winners.

 

[sars1981]

Yeah... Where all different right???....

Take a walk.

It just works for eventual Tour & classic winners.

Why do so many riders take it and risk suspensions when it doesn't give them big gains?

 

[L29205]

Thats more like it, Thats more like it...

EPO doesn't make you a better rider... Or Riis, Millar, Virenque would have started winning from the get go when they started to consume it, they didn't & when they did reach the top, EPO didn't continue the trend of success.

Proof, EPO makes performances & results fail... History says so...

Don't go on like it does...

If EPO is making riders fail, it sure ain't gonna make a Armstrong a winner, lol...

Should not be responding to this but I will continue to feed.

EPO/transfusions alone will never get a club racer to be a pro tour racer.

EPO as you have admitted in this thread affects each human differently. A rider with a good Dr who understands the hemocrits in a riders blood can adjust dosage. A rider getting EPO and going by a standard dose without any additional testing will not get the results of the rider getting follow up from there Dr.

Any rider in the pro tour has probably less than a 5% difference in ability as any other rider. They have already won the genetic lottery and have proven that they are willing to put the miles on the bike to be in the pro tours. It is the 5% that makes a rider a GC rider or a domestic. EPO and Blood doping in a majority of individuals can make up that gap. But the problem is getting it right and that is getting harder with Ferrari, Fuentes and other Doctors getting exposed.

As others have said, if there wasn't a boost why in the world would you ever risk your career or our reputation.

 

[Kennf1]

Should not be responding to this but I will continue to feed.

EPO/transfusions alone will never get a club racer to be a pro tour racer.

EPO as you have admitted in this thread affects each human differently. A rider with a good Dr who understands the hemocrits in a riders blood can adjust dosage. A rider getting EPO and going by a standard dose without any additional testing will not get the results of the rider getting follow up from there Dr.

Any rider in the pro tour has probably less than a 5% difference in ability as any other rider. They have already won the genetic lottery and have proven that they are willing to put the miles on the bike to be in the pro tours. It is the 5% that makes a rider a GC rider or a domestic. EPO and Blood doping in a majority of individuals can make up that gap. But the problem is getting it right and that is getting harder with Ferrari, Fuentes and other Doctors getting exposed.

As others have said, if there wasn't a boost why in the world would you ever risk your career or our reputation.

It's post 233, and you're trying to convince him? The ignore function really is awesome.

 

[Biscuit]

This Deadlift/slayer/rex hunter/bpc character is absolutely fascinating! It's a special kind of illness on display, i suspect.

Abusing the 'haters' got nowhere. Attempts to discredit the science was equally unsuccessful. Now we have a thread designed to discredit the PED.

I think I'd need EPO to maintain the energy to get so many new IP addresses and spew forth so much bile and idiocy........oh I forgot, EPO doesn't work

btw: thanks to Race Radio for the link to the Michael Ashenden interview

 

[BikeCentric]

This Deadlift/slayer/rex hunter/bpc character is absolutely fascinating! It's a special kind of illness on display, i suspect.

Abusing the 'haters' got nowhere. Attempts to discredit the science was equally unsuccessful. Now we have a thread designed to discredit the PED.

I think I'd need EPO to maintain the energy to get so many new IP addresses and spew forth so much bile and idiocy........oh I forgot, EPO doesn't work

btw: thanks to Race Radio for the link to the Michael Ashenden interview

What you may find even more fascinating is that this particular troll that you mention has been going at it in this board since around May of 2009 under various different usernames if I recall correctly. Pretty sure his first name was "Arbiter." He truly is an amusing nutjob.

 

[VeloCity]

EPO doesn't make you a better rider...

yeah, it does.

If EPO is making riders fail, it sure ain't gonna make a Armstrong a winner, lol...

yeah, it did.

 

[Rise Of The Dead]

yeah, it does.

yeah, it did.

That has cleared that one up...

 

[Ripper]

That has cleared that one up...

Hey everyone, let me introduce you to Deadlift. Deadlift likes to honk EPO and troll threads. Might as well place him on ignore right away

 

[VeloCity]

That has cleared that one up...

Well, it's a pretty simple argument.

Does EPO make you a better rider? Of course it does, that's why athletes use it. Never minding the studies showing that athletes who take EPO on a systematic basis experience greater levels of athletic performance, or the testimonies of those who have taken EPO.

Did EPO make Armstrong a winner? Of course it did, there's no way he would've won - ie beaten all the other riders using EPO - without it.

 

[Rise Of The Dead]

Don't limit Tour success & cycling performance, to increasing the oxygen-carrying capacity of the blood. Thats one, limited factor, fact. EPO is "suggested" to enhance that (one) limiting factor to cycling performance. Going by past results, we wouldn't have thought so. Anyway...

Now.... An elite marathon runner, can naturally produce an increasing oxygen capability & VO2 max of that which far exceeds that of Lance Armstrong. Wait a minute?. The marathon runner with a far advanced oxygen-carrying capacity & VO2 max can't turn the pedals, can't produce the power, doesn't have the strength endurance. No, but this marathon runner has an advantage over Armstrong which is EPO's sole quality, so why would does the marathoner end up 20 hours behind Lance after the end of a Tour having a far superior quality of which EPO enhances????...

 

[Ripper]

Sigh ...

Hey everyone, if we take out Contra's thigh muscle, and transplant it into me, I can win the tour, right?

No? ummmm

Hey everyone, if we take out Contra's heart and lung, and transplant it into me, I can win the tour, right?

No? ummmmm

Gee, I guess trying to separate things to prove your point, when we all know it takes a number of factors, is faulty reasoning.

FWIW - we all (or at least most) know there are a quite a few variable that makes one good at their particular sport, not the least of which is physical makeup and biomechanics. The muscular timing and efficiency that makes one a good cyclist versus a good runner are quite different. So is the ability to tolerate certain postures or impact. One major limiter in endurance cycling is oxygen capacity ... enhancing this will improve performance in one aspect. Of course, Ferrari is not a one horse show!

 

[Rise Of The Dead]

One major limiter in endurance cycling is oxygen capacity ... enhancing this will improve performance in one aspect. Of course, Ferrari is not a one horse show!

Couldn't make head nor tail to the start of your last post but we got there towards the end.

enhancing oxygen capacity will improve performance in one aspect.

THANKYOU. One aspect. Does one aspect win Lance Armstrong a Tour De France for which EPO enhances?. Impossible. Does the marathon runner with this superior aspect beat Lance Armstrong?. Thankyou.

Can David Millar see Tour success improving on solely enhancing this aspect (through EPO)?. Thankyou... Can any rider see Tour success improving on solely on enhancing this aspect (through EPO)? No.

One thing I told everybody from the very beginning... Millar could have got to the top but he believed in looking at EPO as the holy grail when he should have looked at the bigger picture. Don't believe in doping, its exagerated & overrated, it can't bring you success, it only enhances one aspect of athletic performance something marathon runners have over cyclists, but can't touch a cyclist in a road race.

 

[red_explosions]

Don't limit Tour success & cycling performance, to increasing the oxygen-carrying capacity of the blood. Thats one, limited factor, fact. EPO is "suggested" to enhance that (one) limiting factor to cycling performance. Going by past results, we wouldn't have thought so. Anyway...

Now.... An elite marathon runner, can naturally produce an increasing oxygen capability & VO2 max of that which far exceeds that of Lance Armstrong. Wait a minute?. The marathon runner with a far advanced oxygen-carrying capacity & VO2 max can't turn the pedals, can't produce the power, doesn't have the strength endurance. No, but this marathon runner has an advantage over Armstrong which is EPO's sole quality, so why would does the marathoner end up 20 hours behind Lance after the end of a Tour having a far superior quality of which EPO enhances????...

It's absurd to compare marathon running against cycling for one thing. It's a completely different discipline, you wouldn't expect a marathon runner to be any good at cycling and vice versa. As for oxygen carrying capacity, there's no reason at all why a marathon runner should have any physiological advantage over a cyclist, unless you can demonstrate one.

 

[Rise Of The Dead]

It's absurd to compare marathon running against cycling for one thing. It's a completely different discipline, you wouldn't expect a marathon runner to be any good at cycling and vice versa. As for oxygen carrying capacity, there's no reason at all why a marathon runner should have any physiological advantage over a cyclist, unless you can demonstrate one.

I'm not comparing marathon running against cycling.

I'm stating an increase in oxygen capability & VO2 max (EPO's enhancing quality) is just one limiting factor to cycling performance. Concentrating on one limiting factor to cycling performance can't possibly make you a Tour contender or eventual winner, EPO or no EPO.

 

[Ripper]

Concentrating on one limiting factor to cycling performance can't possibly make you a Tour contender or eventual winner.

One needs to be well rounded in all the major areas to be a contender, Deadlift. Which means not focusing on it will result in you being a loser. Which means EPO did improve performance, and for a while indeed was a pre-req to even playing.

 

[Rise Of The Dead]

One needs to be well rounded in all the major areas to be a contender.

THANKYOU Ripper... Epo only enhances one area. Enhancing one area can't make you a contender or eventual winner.

Thankyou...

We finally made it...

 

[Mellow Velo]

Rise of the Dead.......lift.
zzzzzzzzzzzz sleepyo.