Contador blasts LA

[richwagmn]

Wrong again. You don't attack your teamates (Kloeden). Ever. End of story.

So you're saying Lance never road away from one of his teammates after they shelled the peloton with that crazy fast tempo thing they used to do because he was concerned about his teammates place on the GC? Just want to be clear.

 

[BYOP88]

Wrong again. You don't attack your teamates (Kloeden). Ever. End of story.

Stage 3 when Lance went with the split. If he was for the team he'd have dropped back and helped the team as there were no GC rivals in the split. Also if LA is a team player why on the stage to Verbier were he and Kloden pulling that group when Wiggins was in it, with a team mate at the lead of the race surely it wasn't their job to try and keep the gap down.

 

[jpmcmahonjr]

How many times do I have to repeat myself on this issue, yes Lance is very important for the lesser cycling nations but if people actually followed cycling in Europe year round, they would know the limit of Lances powers. Cycling is the national sport of Belgium and has been for forever, Lance has had nothing to do with that.

The Tour de France has been the biggest annual sporting event in the world since forever...it does not need Lance to survive and never has. How the hell have other events like the Giro or Vuelta survived all this time without Lance, because cycling in those countries has always been among the top 3-4 sports there and does not need Lance. Cycling in Germany rose and fell with Ullrich and the doping problems. The former Soviet states, why are Astana willing to continue with Vino but not Lance, surely not if Lance is so important. Increased coverage of the Tour in UK this year, mainly due to Cavendish/Wiggins. Greg LeMond had more of an impact in increasing cycling salaries and bike modifications than Lance.

Yes, Lance really brought the sport to the US and that is why he seems so necessary but believe me, he is not that necessary in Europe, national heroes are more important.

Salaries in Cycling go up as any other sport in the world. They go up by this guy got this and that guy got that. Lance has increased salaries for cyclists hads down. You don't have to agree it's just plain fact. Lance brought huge dollars into the sport and no Belgium's national economy doesn't touch America's. Hell, put all those countries you listed together and they won't touch America's. Before Lance there was who in sponsors. Festina, T-Mobile, etc. They are all gone, but now there are hmmmmm. Columbia, Garmin, RadioShack. Was USPS, Discovery and a lot more with large American ties. Get a grip and grasp the truth of the international model.

You don't attribute the American aspect to being that big of a deal? Well, that is 3 of thehighest salaried teams in the world. I guess your right my bad.

 

[iceaxe]

I am going to guess that

1. you have no clue what you are talking about
and
2. you don't win much

There are plenty good people that win endurance sports everyday. Good attitudes and good personalities. How can you even judge population as a whole on 2 children bickering?

jews, homosexuals, dyslexics, etc are the ones that excel. normal people dont have the need to compensate. psych 101. you sure are brave with your little insulting post. why not back that up by telling me where you live, **** head.

 

[lagartija]

Things were crappy from the start. ouch, I am sure Cadel and Sastre and Wiggins and well the Schlecks would have been just ****ed to have 4 top 5 finishers in the TDF on their team to help them win another Grand Tour. The horrible situations some have to endure.

your missing the point alltogether, LA divided the team to the point were it was uncomfortable for all the team staff, riders , managers etc.....yes dissension within a team working enviroment falls under the crap unbrella

 

[scribe]

Wow. Contador makes one comment that shows a lot of restraint and now the forum is against him? Give the guy a break. LA is annoyed because this was his one chance to stop AC, who could conceivably win the next 6 tours. I would guess AC will make this his lifes work now.

Good for AC getting horner off the team. Not because I don`t like horner, it just shows AC new what was going on.

Wrong! Lance will not personally win the tour himself again, but I'd bet he will make it his personal mission to not allow a dominating career by Contador in the future TdF. Lance will always have the upper hand tactically over Contador.

 

[BYOP88]

Strange according to Vaughters he says his team isn't one of the big budget teams. Also Katusha have the biggest budget at the moment, last time i checked they weren't from America.

 

[Publicus]

Wrong again. You don't attack your teamates (Kloeden). Ever. End of story.

So by your logic you only attack when none of your teammates cannot lose time? I mean Lance violated that rule how many times in his 7 year run? Vernier was ok because why? Kloden and Armstrong lost over one minute. Next you'll say he was wrong to win the ITT when he had a comfortable lead.

Just a bunch of nonsense being advanced because Armstrong didn't have it this year.

 

[palmerq]

Contador hasn´t been doing anything bruyneel tells him to anyway, apparently, contador won quite easily, therefore he will not miss bruyneel that much next season :S

This is a very funny situation infact, long may it continue

 

[lagartija]

Wrong again. You don't attack your teamates (Kloeden). Ever. End of story.

ok i just have to say it.........he was NOT attacking his teamate.......and actually kloedens position on GC is irrelevant

 

[pmcg76]

If Kloeden had stayed with Contador and the Schlecks that day, Kloeden would be on the podium now, not Lance. Then Contador would have been blamed for dropping Lance. You cannot have it both ways.

I also have yet to hear the guy most affected by the Contador attack actually complain about it. Lance, Levi, Horner, Bruyneel have all had their moan but not Kloeden. Why not, probably because in the wider scheme of things he knew he was dispensable.

 

[BYOP88]

Lance will always have the upper hand tactically over Contador.

Yeah the TdF 2009 result really does show that, awesome tactics Lance.

Lance 1 Alberto 0

 

[scribe]

Stage 3 when Lance went with the split. If he was for the team he'd have dropped back and helped the team as there were no GC rivals in the split. Also if LA is a team player why on the stage to Verbier were he and Kloden pulling that group when Wiggins was in it, with a team mate at the lead of the race surely it wasn't their job to try and keep the gap down.

You think Lance and the other two riders should have dropped back through the gap during stage 3?

 

[jpmcmahonjr]

your missing the point alltogether, LA divided the team to the point were it was uncomfortable for all the team staff, riders , managers etc.....yes dissension within a team working enviroment falls under the crap unbrella

Wait wait wait. So you are saying you know the team was divided? Why and how? Because Alberto says he had it tough mentally? That horrible situation ended up with a 1st, 3rd and 6th in GC and 1st in the team classification. Give me a damn break it couldn't have been that damn bad except for pistolero or in his own mind he did just win the TDF for goodness sake. Cry him a river.

BTW, I will gladly wait for proof that the whole team was divided and uncomfortable? Except for when AC decided to ignore the teams orders. Please proceed.

 

[jpmcmahonjr]

My bad Katusha is the one I missed. Outside of them please proceed. And, yesGarmin has a large budget. I don't care what JV(Harry Potter) says.

 

[lagartija]

Stage 3 when Lance went with the split. If he was for the team he'd have dropped back and helped the team as there were no GC rivals in the split. Also if LA is a team player why on the stage to Verbier were he and Kloden pulling that group when Wiggins was in it, with a team mate at the lead of the race surely it wasn't their job to try and keep the gap down.

thank you........

 

[usedtobefast]

this thread rocks. let's just keep it going till next July. i love you guys. no, really.

 

[scribe]

I have seen several candidates worthy of Contador's tactical level for the next tour. You guys should send in your applications.

 

[frizzlefry]

.....and actually kloedens position on GC is irrelevant

What? Tell that to Kloden.

 

[kukiniloa]

Lance invented bicycle racing

Lance invented bicycle racing. He has single-handedly saved millions of lives from cancer. He didn't win the Tour this year because he had to help his teammate win. He is an incredibly selfless competitor, and will always work for the team first. Lance will save bicycle racing, having invented it, and will help lots of up-and-coming cyclists make new careers, being totally selfless. Lance has amazing taste in music and art, and simply put, the coolest person on the planet. Lance has bedded lots of gorgeous and sophisticated women.

Lance is God!

 

[jpmcmahonjr]

What? Tell that to Kloden.

It was irrelevent. To Pistolero anyways.

 

[Frozenrope]

AC?

bummed Lance didnt win but AC clearly pulled LA's cap back. Next year tho? My money is on LA. I'm travelling for there for that...

 

[richwagmn]

Salaries in Cycling go up as any other sport in the world. They go up by this guy got this and that guy got that. Lance has increased salaries for cyclists hads down. You don't have to agree it's just plain fact. Lance brought huge dollars into the sport and no Belgium's national economy doesn't touch America's.

Hell, put all those countries you listed together and they won't touch America's.

Actually the EU's GDP is higher than America's. Look it up. The web is wonderful thing.

You should turn off Fox news and get out more.

 

[jamfra67]

No, Bruyneel is not the only DS that can win. The others can win when Brunyeel doesn't focus on those tours. That has happened a couple of times the past decade. The talent yes. The talent that Lance and Johan put together to form those teams. No Saxo and Garmin DS's are not good enough to win Grand Tours that Johan and his teams focus on. Contador will see life as it really is for the others in the peleton next year. Fun times ahead.

LOL Excuses Excuses to justify your point. So next year he will not be focussing on winning with Lance right? I guess Bruyneels Plan is to make Lance a superdomestique for a new star. If its a new star he stands an outside chance,but with Lance as his team leader no way it's over

 

[frizzlefry]

i have seen several candidates worthy of contador's tactical level for the next tour. You guys should send in your applications.

lol,.....:d