Contador blasts LA

[richwagmn]

EU's GDP is higher than America's? Are you including every inch of Europe or the ones that actually do support cycling financially? Thanks I look forward to your educated internet response.

The CIA says the EU has the largest GDP in the world.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ee.html

Well, if you knew anything about Europe, you'd know that not all European countries are in the EU. See Europe is continent. The European Union is an economic and political union. So I'm not including every inch of Europe. Just the countries in the EU.

Now, what is your criteria for determining which countries support cycling financially? Attendance at events? Races per year? The number of companies from the EU that sponsor cycling? Amount of cycling on TV? Ad revenue from cycling? See where I'm going with this? Wanna continue?

 

[frizzlefry]

Has anyone seen Lance with one that didn't favor his mother? (OK, I will give you which ever Olson twin he bagged, but she is the brown spot on the blond sheet.)

Edit: And IF Contador were into guys, he still would have finished 2 spots ahead of the Uniballer.

Maybe he bagged them both, at the same time.

 

[BroDeal]

This is proving nothing! It will only leave a bad taste in everybody's mouth and may even hurt Contadors career! Contador should have known! Messing with Lance! Lance has a huuuge respect in the peloton and I don't think anybody would side with Contador! He just made the most influental rider in history and Johan his enemy!

ROTFL!

 

[Kimono]

there are some seriously unhinged people on this forum

 

[jpmcmahonjr]

Sorry. No gifts.

Figured as much and I didn't even need to look it up. Damn I might be ahead of the curve.

 

[codrutc]

What about Bruyneel bashing his own rider, especially one that won 3 previous grand tours for him? Is that nice? Contador did not attack Brunyneel in any of his statement.
I will reiterate what somebody pointed out earlier. Contador by no means showed ungratefulness in his statements for his teammates, other than Armstrong, which obviously does not deserve any, at least not from Contador.
And what do you expect from Horner, Levi and all other Armstrong's friends? Take Alberto's side? They are or hope they will be on LA's payroll, directly or indirectly.
Let's wait and see what other people have to say.

 

[lagartija]

Don't remember seeing Lance attacking at that point. I believe there was another's entire team on the front.

amazing.......

 

[RigelKent]

Now, what is your criteria for determining which countries support cycling financially? Attendance at events? Races per year? The number of companies from the EU that sponsor cycling? Amount of cycling on TV? Ad revenue from cycling? See where I'm going with this? Wanna continue?

He does. It's the FoxNews thing. Once proven to be full of it (by facts), you keep spewing garbage until the other side starts ignoring you then you say "HA! No answer for that! I win!?

 

[jpmcmahonjr]

The CIA says the EU has the largest GDP in the world.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ee.html

Well, if you knew anything about Europe, you'd know that not all European countries are in the EU. See Europe is continent. The European Union is an economic and political union. So I'm not including every inch of Europe. Just the countries in the EU.

Now, what is your criteria for determining which countries support cycling financially? Attendance at events? Races per year? The number of companies from the EU that sponsor cycling? Amount of cycling on TV? Ad revenue from cycling? See where I'm going with this? Wanna continue?

Sure compare as I asked before this American Sponsorship dollars versus the countries you list on the Pro Tour. I am not saying America will even be higher. But, to say America is so small to the rest of the world in this regard is a bit well European. Snooty shall I say.

I'll give you a few of the companies to ponder, Columbia, Specialized, Trek, Nike, Garmin, RadioShack(Soon)

 

[RigelKent]

Figured as much and I didn't even need to look it up. Damn I might be ahead of the curve.

I rest my case.

 

[Anonymous]

Maybe he bagged them both, at the same time.

..AND pulled an R. Kelly on them...

 

[Publicus]

Tell me a time similar to stage 17 that Lance attacked only dropping his own teamate? NEVER happened. Why? Because it makes no tatical sense. You saying that LA, Levi, Horner and Bruyneel are all wrong? Horner called the move "amateurish". Go to his twitter and watch the TV interview. But I guess he's in the tank for LA too, right?

I believe it was the famous "Look" stage. He was riding with Azevedo and Ullrich and some of the other "favorites". He accelerated and rode away. He didn't give two sh!ts about Azevedo or his time loss. Why? Because he was the overall contender, not Azevedo. I'm not even going to get into the fact that Contador SPOKE to Kloden before he put in the move and Kloden was ok with it. I'm willing to bet money Lance NEVER did such a thing and would have laughed if someone suggested otherwise.

This whole Contador attacked his team mates commentary is just getting too stupid for words.

 

[Carboncrank]

really, well it must have been bad for LA considering all the inane comments he made, and maybe it was so bad he decided not to celebrate with the team, and maybe it was so bad he had to walk past 2 teamates so as not to have to stand next to contador on the podium for the team prize , ............as far as team orders are concerned i found it hilarios when armstrong gains time in the split on stage 3: " its a good thing for any rider to gain time on GC regardless who it is be it levi or kloeden or lance"..according to bruyneel..but when its contador now its against team orders......and your right its great Alberto Contador is the tour de france champion

you don't mention any actual comments by Lance.

I guess you don't understand that on a flat stage any time you can get is golden and that is a different animal from sprinting past 3 teammates that have control of the tempo at the front of a climb who have worked for you and who's wheels you've been riding on, leaving chaos in your wake for a mere 20 seconds in the first week of the race.

 

[pmcg76]

Umm.... the economy maybe??? But go ahead blame Lance.

Not blaming Lance, of course it is the economy, same everywhere. I am just trying to dispel this myth that cycling is finished without Lance.

Again Trek sponsored a US team before Lance arrived on it although he certainly gave the brand more visibility. Cannondale backed the Italian Saeco team before Lance turned cosmic. Specialized backed Festina from 99, again before Lance hit it big. It was JV that brought Garmin to the sport. Nike sponsored the Maillot Jaune before Lance won the Tour. Bring them on. We are still only at Discovery/Radio Shack. In fact, there were many US sponsors kicking around but Lance gave them more visibility to a US market which was vital for their success.

 

[jpmcmahonjr]

I rest my case.

You already did that once. Did you need a second title of quitter to bolster your stance. I hope not.

 

[richwagmn]

Sure compare as I asked before this American Sponsorship dollars versus the countries you list on the Pro Tour. I am not saying America will even be higher. But, to say America is so small to the rest of the world in this regard is a bit well European. Snooty shall I say.

I'll give you a few of the companies to ponder, Columbia, Specialized, Trek, Nike, Garmin, RadioShack(Soon)

Below are the teams from the 2009 tour. I see two American teams of the 20 total.

Germany
Team Milram (MRM)

Belgium
Quick Step (QST)
Silence - Lotto (SIL)

Denmark
Team Saxo Bank (SAX)

Spain
Caisse d’Epargne (GCE)
Euskaltel - Euskadi (EUS)

United States
Garmin - Slipstream (GRM)
Team Columbia – High Road (THR)

France
AG2R La Mondiale (ALM)
Agritubel (AGR)
BBox Bouygues Telecom (BTL)
Cofidis, Le Crédit en Ligne (COF)
Française des Jeux (FDJ)

Italy
Lampre – N.G.C. (LAM)
Liquigas (LIQ)
Kazakhstan
Astana (AST)

Netherlands
Rabobank (RAB)
Skil-Shimano (SKS)

Russia
Team Katusha (KAT)

Switzerland
Cervélo Test Team (CTT)

 

[Publicus]

What? Tell that to Kloden.

And while you are at it, tell Azevedo, Hincapie, Landis, Ruberio, Danielson, Leipheimer, Vandevelde, Ekimov, and anyone else who ever rode with Lance Armstrong.

Seriously, you guys are killing me with this nonsense. Since when do team leaders worry about this crap? Oh, I'd counter attack, but if I put too much time into my competitors and indirectly my teammates, I'll be a bad teammate. Maybe they should award the yellow jersey to the rider who figures out how to ensure that every member of his team gets the same time.

 

[frizzlefry]

Not blaming Lance, of course it is the economy, same everywhere. I am just trying to dispel this myth that cycling is finished without Lance.

Again Trek sponsored a US team before Lance arrived on it although he certainly gave the brand more visibility. Cannondale backed the Italian Saeco team before Lance turned cosmic. In fact, there were many US sponsors kicking around but Lance gave them more visibility to a US market which was vital for their success.

It survived the 4 years he was out the sport. It will survive without him when he's done next time.

 

[RigelKent]

You already did that once. Did you need a second title of quitter to bolster your stance. I hope not.

OK, you do some work. UCI says the total budget for pro cycling teams this year is 235M Euros. How much of that comes from the US.

Facts, now. Give it a try.

And remember. That's just for the teams. Nothing about the races.

 

[BYOP88]

I guess you don't understand that on a flat stage any time you can get is golden and that is a different animal from sprinting past 3 teammates that have control of the tempo at the front of a climb who have worked for you and who's wheels you've been riding on, leaving chaos in your wake for a mere 20 seconds in the first week of the race.

Obviously they weren't riding fast enough then. But yes that was he first time ever that a team leader attacked after his team mates had done what they're paid to do. On that stage in 2001 when Lance shot is look at Jan, just before that hadn't Rubiera set a pace then Lance went?

 

[biker77]

Wrong! Lance will not personally win the tour himself again, but I'd bet he will make it his personal mission to not allow a dominating career by Contador in the future TdF. Lance will always have the upper hand tactically over Contador.

LA will almost certainly try to do this. But, there are other places than america. The rising success of AC will bring its own cash and ability to buy a dedicated team.

A bike race is won by being the first over the finish line.I understand the nuance about codes and honour, but this is still the most important tactic. AC won the tour so therefore had the best tactics. Unless the tactics are to finish third and sit around and drink whine.

 

[Publicus]

Armstrong tweets:

Can someone post the comments that Contador made about the team? Or that he didn't need the team? I've only seen his comments about not personally admiring Armstrong.

 

[jpmcmahonjr]

Below are the teams from the 2009 tour. I see two American teams of the 20 total.

Germany
Team Milram (MRM)

Belgium
Quick Step (QST)
Silence - Lotto (SIL)

Denmark
Team Saxo Bank (SAX)

Spain
Caisse d’Epargne (GCE)
Euskaltel - Euskadi (EUS)

United States
Garmin - Slipstream (GRM)
Team Columbia – High Road (THR)

France
AG2R La Mondiale (ALM)
Agritubel (AGR)
BBox Bouygues Telecom (BTL)
Cofidis, Le Crédit en Ligne (COF)
Française des Jeux (FDJ)

Italy
Lampre – N.G.C. (LAM)
Liquigas (LIQ)
Kazakhstan
Astana (AST)

Netherlands
Rabobank (RAB)
Skil-Shimano (SKS)

Russia
Team Katusha (KAT)

Switzerland
Cervélo Test Team (CTT)

I already had that info. Any numb nutz can do that. I am asking for Sponsorship dollars from American Sponsors for Pro Tour Teams. Thanks. Again I gave just a hand full for you to calculate.

 

[scribe]

And while you are at it, tell Azevedo, Hincapie, Landis, Ruberio, Danielson, Leipheimer, Vandevelde, Ekimov, and anyone else who ever rode with Lance Armstrong.

Seriously, you guys are killing me with this nonsense. Since when do team leaders worry about this crap? Oh, I'd counter attack, but if I put too much time into my competitors and indirectly my teammates, I'll be a bad teammate. Maybe they should award the yellow jersey to the rider who figures out how to ensure that every member of his team gets the same time.

I can't remember. Has Lance ever opened a press conference to declare his distaste for those riders after they supported him to a tour win?

 

[Publicus]

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Of course. Long time girlfriend (I think they've been dating for 9 years). What's that got to do with anything?