Contador blasts LA

[jamfra67]

Wait wait wait. So you are saying you know the team was divided? Why and how? Because Alberto says he had it tough mentally? That horrible situation ended up with a 1st, 3rd and 6th in GC and 1st in the team classification. Give me a damn break it couldn't have been that damn bad except for pistolero or in his own mind he did just win the TDF for goodness sake. Cry him a river.

BTW, I will gladly wait for proof that the whole team was divided and uncomfortable? Except for when AC decided to ignore the teams orders. Please proceed.

Listen here man the division started when bruyneelo flip floped on who the leader was. He betrayed Contador in favour of Lance pure and simple. Bruyneel said Contador has earned the right to lead the team this july and then the tune change. All of you apologist seem to have selective Amnesia of the facts. Bruyneel divided the team. Remember Delgados statement that two stallions cannot stay in the same barn. Wait next year and AC will dish out more blows with his legs and not with his mouth. Also expect a team and a DS who will be fully behind him. Bruyneel's case was of a person torn between two lovers. The whole situation blow up because of his indecision on leadership. He wanted to have his cake and eat it. lol

 

[pmcg76]

I believe it was the famous "Look" stage. He was riding with Azevedo and Ullrich and some of the other "favorites". He accelerated and rode away. He didn't give two sh!ts about Azevedo or his time loss. Why? Because he was the overall contender, not Azevedo. I'm not even going to get into the fact that Contador SPOKE to Kloden before he put in the move and Kloden was ok with it. I'm willing to bet money Lance NEVER did such a thing and would have laughed if someone suggested otherwise.

As I posted elsewhere but as I have often learned on here, when you post something really relevant and true, it gets ignored. Thats when you know you made a good post. Lance, Bruyneel, Levi, Horner all moaned about the Contador attack on Kloeden but the man himself has never criticised Contador or the attack. Why not if it was such a terrible thing to do.

 

[Publicus]

I can't remember. Has Lance ever opened a press conference to declare his distaste for those riders after they supported him to a tour win?

I don't recall him saying anything about anyone other than Armstrong. So which RIDERS are you talking about? And we all know how much work Armstrong did on his behalf.

More to the point, please tell me a time when anyone on Lance's team said they were there to win? That they deserve consideration? Don't worry, I'll wait for your response to this one....

 

[Wheels Go Round and Round]

I can't remember. Has Lance ever opened a press conference to declare his distaste for those riders after they supported him to a tour win?

great point

 

[UpTheRoad]

I can't remember. Has Lance ever opened a press conference to declare his distaste for those riders after they supported him to a tour win?

Did Contador do that? Saying that Lance Armstrong supported him is a bit of a stretch, no?

 

[jpmcmahonjr]

Listen here man the division started when bruyneelo flip floped on who the leader was. He betrayed Contador in favour of Lance pure and simple. Bruyneel said Contador has earned the right to lead the team this july and then the tune change. All of you apologist seem to have selective Amnesia of the facts. Bruyneel divided the team. Remember Delgados statement that two stallions cannot stay in the same barn. Wait next year and AC will dish out more blows with his legs and not with his mouth. Also expect a team and a DS who will be fully behind him. Bruyneel's case was of a person torn between two lovers. The whole situation blow up because of his indecision on leadership. He wanted to have his cake and eat it. lol

Yep, it blew up they finished 1st, 3rd and 6th and 1st in Team. Wow, I am sure there are a lot of sponsors for say Garmin, Columbia, S Bank, S Lotto that would be just ****ed. Horrible horrible situation. What a cluster Puck. Dang that Brunyeel. Can't do anything right can he. Again there was no division that we have heard about on the "TEAM" except for Alberto going his own way of the entire team and his DS orders. That is the only splitting fo the team that took place.

 

[RigelKent]

I don't recall him saying anything about anyone other than Armstrong. So which RIDERS are you talking about? And we all know how much work Armstrong did on his behalf.

More to the point, please tell me a time when anyone on Lance's team said they were there to win? That they deserve consideration? Don't worry, I'll wait for your response to this one....

ummmmmm . . . when they were leaving, right?

 

[scribe]

Did Contador do that? Saying that Lance Armstrong supported him is a bit of a stretch, no?

Depends on what filters you have on your glasses.

 

[Anonymous]

I can't remember. Has Lance ever opened a press conference to declare his distaste for those riders after they supported him to a tour win?

1. Prove he "opened" the press conference with that. I think, and I am guessing here, that you will find it was an answer to a question asked of him, and didn't occur at the "opening."

2. Show me where Lance ever rode a Tour where he was the strongest rider, and was undercut by members of his team including his DS.

I will say this, I am truly happy that Lance never wore the yellow jersey in this Tour. He didn't deserve it, and it is fitting that it never happened. It spoiled their shallow little plans, and was merely "reaping what you sow" that it never happened. Too bad they flew in Ben Stiller in to had him a jersey he never earned AND too bad the time that denied him the yellow was taken on HIM. Dang...its almost poetic...

 

[jamfra67]

Everybody needs an army of babysitters to drag them up the climbs. Alberto has had the best ones in the business.

All the teams that ended up not contending had the problem of not having enough domestiques designed for the GC.

no he just need one good climber with him and probably two if it is really rough. Lance will need five next year, but the question is will they be able to hang on when AC turn the motor on?

 

[Publicus]

1. Prove he "opened" the press conference with that. I think, and i am guessing here, that you will find it was an answer to a question asked of him, and didn't occur at the "opening."

2. Show me where lance ever rode a tour where he was the strongest rider, and was undercut by members of his team including his ds.

I will say this, i am truly happy that lance never wore the yellow jersey in this tour. He didn't deserve it, and it is fitting that it never happened. It spoiled their shallow little plans, and was merely reaping what you sew that it never happened. Too bad they flew in ben stiller in to had him a jersey he never earned. Dang...

lol :d:d:d:d

 

[pmcg76]

Below are the teams from the 2009 tour. I see two American teams of the 20 total.

Germany
Team Milram (MRM)

Belgium
Quick Step (QST)
Silence - Lotto (SIL)

Denmark
Team Saxo Bank (SAX)

Spain
Caisse d’Epargne (GCE)
Euskaltel - Euskadi (EUS)

United States
Garmin - Slipstream (GRM)
Team Columbia – High Road (THR)

France
AG2R La Mondiale (ALM)
Agritubel (AGR)
BBox Bouygues Telecom (BTL)
Cofidis, Le Crédit en Ligne (COF)
Française des Jeux (FDJ)

Italy
Lampre – N.G.C. (LAM)
Liquigas (LIQ)
Kazakhstan
Astana (AST)

Netherlands
Rabobank (RAB)
Skil-Shimano (SKS)

Russia
Team Katusha (KAT)

Switzerland
Cervélo Test Team (CTT)

So a country(Belgium) not much bigger than Rhode Island has as many major sponsors as the US and a region of Spain has their own sponsor (Basque Country), wow that is really showing us. Jeez I am in a very contrary mood tonight.

 

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I don't recall him saying anything about anyone other than Armstrong. So which RIDERS are you talking about? And we all know how much work Armstrong did on his behalf.

More to the point, please tell me a time when anyone on Lance's team said they were there to win? That they deserve consideration? Don't worry, I'll wait for your response to this one....

Man, you ask a lot of questions. Unfortunately, all are off-point. I will just clarify to you that riders is plural in the general sense, usage-wise. Are we current now?

But let's summarize our argument with one another. You don't like Armstrong. I do. That was easy!

 

[powerste]

Wrong! Lance will not personally win the tour himself again, but I'd bet he will make it his personal mission to not allow a dominating career by Contador in the future TdF. Lance will always have the upper hand tactically over Contador.

Yes it's a shame Lance is so admired for his inclination and ability to pursue personal vendettas.

 

[jamfra67]

you don't mention any actual comments by Lance.

I guess you don't understand that on a flat stage any time you can get is golden and that is a different animal from sprinting past 3 teammates that have control of the tempo at the front of a climb who have worked for you and who's wheels you've been riding on, leaving chaos in your wake for a mere 20 seconds in the first week of the race.

so lance time gain is golden and Ac is bronze right. Stop spewing gabbage. Team only when it suits one man. The problem was cause by bruyneel caught between two lovers so they were fighting for him. lol

 

[PACONi]

Can the ignore list be extended to include threads about LA?

Get over it fanboys. AC was stronger, maybe spending his time resting after stages instead of twittering every 5 minutes payed off?

 

[Carboncrank]

OK, reality check here. Contador was not the only GC contender to miss out on the road to La Grand Motte. Both the Schlecks, Wiggins, Leipheimer and Kloden all missed out. Are they all tactically naive? Or was it the Hog not paying enough attention? Or was it Big George insider trading? All of the subsequent moves were effectively Contador saying "FU, I'm the only guy who's going to win this race. If you won't support me, I'll support myself" to the Hog and LA. There are a lot of "What ifs?" that never came into play in your scenario.

Let's face it, you don't need tactics if you know that you can attack on any type of terrain and at least hold off the opposition. You can bet your life though that Contador learned a lot this July. So did the Schlecks and Riis.

What a mess 17 is. Imagine if instead of going downhill against Andy it would have been someone who could decend like Cancellera or Landis.

At the end 1 of 2 things is true and neither one of them speaks good for Alberto.

1. He dropped his teammate, made some stupid deal with the Schlecks, then gave the stage win away to a rival team and faked a lunge at the end to sell it.. or

2. He dropped his teammate, was isolated by the Schlecks and was so gassed at the end that he couldn't win the stage.

 

[Publicus]

Man, you ask a lot of questions. Unfortunately, all are off-point. I will just clarify to you that riders is plural in the general sense, usage-wise. Are we current now?

But let's summarize our argument with one another. You don't like Armstrong. I do. That was easy!

You said RIDERS. I don't recall reading any reports of comments about RIDERS. I read articles about a RIDER. So if you have a different article, then I am all ears/eyes. But apparently you are just mathematically challenged: One is not multiple. One is singular. One is one.

Unless, I guess that one is Lance and then one is all that matters.

 

[scribe]

Can the ignore list be extended to include threads about LA?

Get over it fanboys. AC was stronger, maybe spending his time resting after stages instead of twittering every 5 minutes payed off?

Oh hell, there is an ignore feature on this forum?

 

[TrapperJohn]

So a country(Belgium) not much bigger than Rhode Island has as many major sponsors as the US and a region of Spain has their own sponsor (Basque Country), wow that is really showing us. Jeez I am in a very contrary mood tonight.

Ever been there? Everyone rides bicycles in Belgium. Between that and Holland, I thought I had entered cycling paradise.

No surprise the sport is popular there.

 

[hfer07]

wow- just read the "twitters" and the "threads"....
24 hours have gone by after AC won the TDF and this is what is left to dispute?
is there an extra jersey that I didn't know of for having "the biggest mouth"?
Isn't supposed the TDF to be won "on the road" and not on "twitter"?
shouldn't wisdom & knowledge supposed to come from the "experienced one"?
Shouldn't we read "inspiring words" from someone carrying a "higher cause"
than a "hung over recriminating language"?

think about it....

 

[scribe]

You said RIDERS. I don't recall reading any reports of comments about RIDERS. I read articles about a RIDER. So if you have a different article, then I am all ears/eyes. But apparently you are just mathematically challenged: One is not multiple. One is singular. One is one.

Unless, I guess that one is Lance and then one is all that matters.

You have the energy and free time for this?

 

[Publicus]

What a mess 17 is. Imagine if instead of going downhill against Andy it would have been someone who could decend like Cancellera or Landis.

At the end 1 of 2 things is true and neither one of them speaks good for Alberto.

1. He dropped his teammate, made some stupid deal with the Schlecks, then gave the stage win away to a rival team and faked a lunge at the end to sell it.. or

2. He dropped his teammate, was isolated by the Schlecks and was so gassed at the end that he couldn't win the stage.

Or he drops EVERYONE and solos and puts 2 minutes plus on the Schleck Brothers. Or he drops Frank and Koden and Lance passes them on the downhill. Or Lance could have been more attentive on the slopes of the Col de Romme and Frank never bridges up to Andy where he is isolated with Contador and Kloden, who proceed to attack and drop him putting major time into Wiggins and Andy Schleck.

I mean either you have a limited imagination or you just want to make up a couple of scenarios that cast Contador in the worst light possible.

 

[SpeedWay]

He is a soft spoken girlesque that will be hard pressed to inspire a real team effort in the way that Armstrong does, even now.

Exactly, a drama queen at that. Too bad the malliot jaune couldn't take the high road and move on with class. Instead, he's airing his dirty laundry in public. He' s got a lot to learn.

 

[richwagmn]

I already had that info. Any numb nutz can do that. I am asking for Sponsorship dollars from American Sponsors for Pro Tour Teams. Thanks. Again I gave just a hand full for you to calculate.

LOL. If 18 of the 20 teams are sponsored by non-US based companies, one might infer that the rest of world contributes more to the support of pro-cycling than the US.

Cycling is a non-event to the US public. When LA participates you go from a non-event to well, still a non-event. It's back page news at most. It follows that the US contribution to cycling is relatively minor. Pro cycling exists because of Europe's support for it.

Here's the TV numbers for the VS TDF.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/07/17/with-lance-armstrong-back-tour-de-france-ratings-jump/22990

so 480,000 per day.

In contrast, the Daytona 500 pulled in 17 million viewers.

I love cycling, but the US doesn't support it.