Contador Blood Doped

[zastomito]

Can the plasticizers from Contador blood be linked with blood transfusion? In other words, can they prove that specified plasticizers were in contact with blood for 3 or 4 months? If not, there are number of excuses he can use.

 

[Der_Gestreifte]

Can the plasticizers from Contador blood be linked with blood transfusion? In other words, can they prove that specified plasticizers were in contact with blood for 3 or 4 months? If not, there are number of excuses he can use.

It probably can´t be linked whithin UCI jurisdiction.
The "link" is the fact that probably everyone living in the modern world has these substances in his blood, but they won´t jump to 10 times the previous value whithin hours of eating, working, sleeping and drinking in this environment (unless you´re drinking paint thinner or acetone from your bidon, maybe).

 

[mastersracer]

It probably can´t be linked whithin UCI jurisdiction.
The "link" is the fact that probably everyone living in the modern world has these substances in his blood, but they won´t jump to 10 times the previous value whithin hours of eating, working, sleeping and drinking in this environment (unless you´re drinking paint thinner or acetone from your bidon, maybe).

I'm surprised the Contador PR machine hasn't announced that the meat was transported wrapped in plastic wrap, inside a plastic tupperware container, served on plastic plates, and eaten with plastic forks...

 

[zastomito]

Point is that unless he is obligated to report intravenous glucose admission he can say that that is the reason for elevated level of plasticizers.

 

[Escarabajo]

I'm surprised the Contador PR machine hasn't announced that the meat was transported wrapped in plastic wrap, inside a plastic tupperware container, served on plastic plates, and eaten with plastic forks...

The plastic wrap is the key. It has to be rather flexible.

Everytime that he brings new data into his theory he is reducing the probabilities of that event of happening. It makes him more suspicious. But I am talking probabilities here.

 

[Merckx index]

I'm surprised the Contador PR machine hasn't announced that the meat was transported wrapped in plastic wrap, inside a plastic tupperware container, served on plastic plates, and eaten with plastic forks...

Actually, the food industry is very concerned about DEHP if not clenbuterol:

http://www.healthandsafetyevents.co.uk/files/ANSELL ANSWERS NEW FOOD INDUSTRY REGS.pdf

Many vinyl gloves leach dangerous levels of DEHP and other plasticisers Three phthalates, including the controversial DEHP, have been included in the EU’s REACH list of Substances of Very High Concern. Testing of popular PVC food industry and food service gloves has shown recent migration results between 300 and 600 mg/dm2, where overall migration of all substances is limited by to 10 mg/dm2. Japan outlawed the use of vinyl gloves for food contact in 2001 following a study of migration levels.

WADA Chief Howman claims these tests have been used for years, that is apparently his justification for saying they can be used as evidence in AC case.

 

[Pancreas]

Point is that unless he is obligated to report intravenous glucose admission he can say that that is the reason for elevated level of plasticizers.

ANY intravenous admission is prohibited nowadays IIRC

 

[hfer07]

let's cut the Sh!t and get the facts straight:

*50 picograms of clenbuterol won't make the cut for a doping sanction-Conta knows it,so the UCI & WADA & don't expect the Spanish Federation busting him --so haters are going to hate it even more
*Plastic traces found on his blood samples are the real fact of the kind of doping he's using-but since there is no official test for blood doping enforced... Haters go back to square one....

 

[Anonymous]

let's cut the Sh!t and get the facts straight:

*50 picograms of clenbuterol won't make the cut for a doping sanction-Conta knows it,so the UCI & WADA & don't expect the Spanish Federation busting him --so haters are going to hate it even more
*Plastic traces found on his blood samples are the real fact of the kind of doping he's using-but since there is no official test for blood doping enforced... Haters go back to square one....

I disagree, there is no threshold for Clen. Above 0 is a positive. I say he goes down, and he should go down. I cannot count the number of dopers who used the "Tainted ___________" argument. I didn't believe them either.

 

[icefire]

Actually, the food industry is very concerned about DEHP if not clenbuterol:

http://www.healthandsafetyevents.co.uk/files/ANSELL ANSWERS NEW FOOD INDUSTRY REGS.pdf



WADA Chief Howman claims these tests have been used for years, that is apparently his justification for saying they can be used as evidence in AC case.

I wonder if this same test can be used as evidence to catch many more riders. It's hard to believe AC is the only one using refueling techniques, or the only one using blood bags with that substance.

 

[mastersracer]

let's cut the Sh!t and get the facts straight:

*50 picograms of clenbuterol won't make the cut for a doping sanction-Conta knows it,so the UCI & WADA & don't expect the Spanish Federation busting him --so haters are going to hate it even more
*Plastic traces found on his blood samples are the real fact of the kind of doping he's using-but since there is no official test for blood doping enforced... Haters go back to square one....

sure. Wait until it ends up in CAS - Howman already alluding to that...

WADA director general David Howman, however, told the AP that a method was “fully validated and has been used in the food industry for years.”

“Its use for anti-doping purposes is partially validated and evidence from it, among others, can be used before tribunals,” Howman said.

 

[icefire]

I disagree, there is not threshold for Clen. Above 0 is a positive. I say he goes down, and he should go down. I cannot count the number of dopers who used the "Tainted ___________" argument. I didn't believe them either.

...and as I mentioned earlier the other thread, an athlete who tested positive for Clen with very small concentration was cleared by her National Federation but IAAF appealed to CAS and the verdict was overturned.

The BIG question is whether UCI and WADA will act as IAAF did.

 

[Anonymous]

...and as I mentioned earlier in this thread, an athlete who tested positive for Clen with very small concentration was cleared by her National Federation but IAAF appealed to CAS and the verdict was overturned.

The BIG question is whether UCI and WADA will act as IAAF did.

So far, I wouldn't count on the UCI backing this positive. WADA will I think, but Pat already declared the new generation clean, so this would totally f**k up his narrative. He went on and on about all of this sort of thing being in the past when he was covering his a$$ over the "donations" Landis referred to back in May.

 

[hfer07]

I disagree, there is no threshold for Clen. Above 0 is a positive. I say he goes down, and he should go down. I cannot count the number of dopers who used the "Tainted ___________" argument. I didn't believe them either.

I'm with you-and I am an AC fan--the excuses, the press conference, the arguments behind the case won't hide what is evident-however-in the real world the politics are the power beyond the facts, and they care less if he's positive at all-what matters to them is the money factor in the equation-IOW-how much money aren't they going to receive from AC sponsors if he's out of the game....
very sad since this situation replicates the 99 case with Armstrong, when he should have been busted for the Cortisol test-got a free pass and went on doing with the sport whatever the fvck he wanted..

 

[icefire]

So far, I wouldn't count on the UCI backing this positive. WADA will I think, but Pat already declared the new generation clean, so this would totally f**k up his narrative. He went on and on about all of this sort of thing being in the past when he was covering his a$$ over the "donations" Landis referred to back in May.

Contador needs to find a farmer willing to accept a donation in return for being accused of giving Clen to his livestock to back the filet mignon theory.

 

[mastersracer]

I'm with you-and I am an AC fan--the excuses, the press conference, the arguments behind the case won't hide what is evident-however-in the real world the politics are the power beyond the facts, and they care less if he's positive at all-what matters to them is the money factor in the equation-IOW-how much money aren't they going to receive from AC sponsors if he's out of the game....
very sad since this situation replicates the 99 case with Armstrong, when he should have been busted for the Cortisol test-got a free pass and went on doing with the sport whatever the fvck he wanted..

I think they face as much potential loss of sponsorship if they let him off...

 

[Elagabalus]

I disagree, there is no threshold for Clen. Above 0 is a positive. I say he goes down, and he should go down. I cannot count the number of dopers who used the "Tainted ___________" argument. I didn't believe them either.

I believe that is what most people on this forum are discussing. Since anything above zero is a positive than any clen detected in the system is a result of doping. However, if clen can be introduced by other means (tainted meat etc.) and still be detectable (and is consistent with the values given) than the claim that it is ALL a result of doping is less secure.

 

[Escarabajo]

I believe that is what most people on this forum are discussing. Since anything above zero is a positive than any clen detected in the system is a result of doping. However, if clen can be introduced by other means (tainted meat etc.) and still be detectable (and is consistent with the values given) than the claim that it is ALL a result of doping is less secure.

+1. I agree with you 100% on this.

The only problem is that Contador already created a big story where different scenarios had to have happened. He probably would have been better off by not saying anything. Now is coming back to bite him.

 

[hfer07]

I think they face as much potential loss of sponsorship if they let him off...

the Sponsors usually pull out when the failed test is confirmed--but since the Authorities involved in the case "haven't decided yet", the Sponsors tend to stick to their investment-at least until the final verdict is reached..
If he's busted-game over-but if not- then is just a matter of a PR campaign to clear the debris from the scandal, and then move on... sad indeed

 

[dbrower]

Perfect.

Thanks.

The only problem is that it is not standard for any UCI test. But at least is was used (probably illegally by the lab) to find out about blood transfusion. Maybe the lab might get in trouble for this. Or maybe the UCI. I don't know anymore.

It wouldn't be illegal, it would be not grounds by itself for an AAF.

On the other hand, it is perfectly good as a counterargument to a speculative "bad beef" theory, particularly in absence of any confirmatory beef

(These are among the procedural lessons of the Landis case.)

Further, the plastic test can be further validated and applied retroactively for newer than 8 year old samples by itself.

-dB

 

[dbrower]

could they please test alle Pharmstrong samples in any fridge on this world with regard to blood bag softener values?

Yes, that might happen. Wouldn't those results be interesting.

-dB

 

[Mich78BEL]

+1. I agree with you 100% on this.

The only problem is that Contador already created a big story where different scenarios had to have happened. He probably would have been better off by not saying anything. Now is coming back to bite him.

i agree, his story just doesn't seem credible

 

[BigFatSal]

Hi, I remember reading sometime, somewhere on the net, that Contador takes daily medication for epilepsy resulting from his brain haemorrhage. If these tablets are in strips with soft plastic bubbles is it possible that this could account for high levels of plasticisers in his body. No idea, but just a thought.

 

[ingsve]

Hi, I remember reading sometime, somewhere on the net, that Contador takes daily medication for epilepsy resulting from his brain haemorrhage. If these tablets are in strips with soft plastic bubbles is it possible that this could account for high levels of plasticisers in his body. No idea, but just a thought.

No, that would not cause the levels to spike 10x from one day to the next. Even if there were plastizicers in the packaging that would only serve as a background.

 

[cfan_2000]

Hi, I remember reading sometime, somewhere on the net, that Contador takes daily medication for epilepsy resulting from his brain haemorrhage. If these tablets are in strips with soft plastic le it possible that this could account for high levels of plasticisers in his body. No idea, but just a thought.

It is not as if you can find the plasticiser on the inside of a carry bag or a capsule foil, or by chewing on a curtain.

It is a special compound on the inside of blood bags, used to prevent the blood from clotting (as it normally does) upon coming in contact with a foreign surface.

So it is not even present on the inside of IV saline sets. It is only used for blood bags to simulate the inside of a vein or artery and prevent the stored bloog from clotting immediately (before freezing or after thawing).