Contador: "I have never doped. Never."

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it's kind of funny, but what is it that people expect him to say?
something like:
"I did dope a little bit?"
"I did dope in the past but not anymore"
"I intended to dope but never did"
"I did have contact with Fuentes but never doped"
"I know how to dope but I couldn't"
"I saw LA blood doping in the 09 TDF, so I had to do it in order to win"

take your pick:D
 
hfer07 said:
it's kind of funny, but what is it that people expect him to say?
something like:
"I did dope a little bit?"
"I did dope in the past but not anymore"
"I intended to dope but never did"
"I did have contact with Fuentes but never doped"
"I know how to dope but I couldn't"
"I saw LA blood doping in the 09 TDF, so I had to do it in order to win"

take your pick:D
No, I'd expect him to reach an agreement with the interviewer so that he's not put in a position to answer this question openly and directly. The interview was prearranged and the interviewer was very, very soft on Contador, so it's not like he didn't decide beforehand what could and couldn't be asked.
 
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Moose McKnuckles said:
Well, at last we have a straighforward statement.
None of this "Never tested positive" crap we had from the Lance camp.

Contador comes out and says he never doped. I find that very difficult to believe, but hey, this is the statement that a lot of people were wondering if Contador would ever make.
So you're impressed with this? You must have loads of respect for Basso then, after he swore on his mothers grave-- can't make a stronger statement than that.
 
hrotha said:
No, I'd expect him to reach an agreement with the interviewer so that he's not put in a position to answer this question openly and directly. The interview was prearranged and the interviewer was very, very soft on Contador, so it's not like he didn't decide beforehand what could and couldn't be asked.
pardon me, but which part of the Interview Carlos de Andres is "soft" on AC? I reckon he hasn't been official charged of doping up to date-so what is it that needs to be "tough & straightforward" according to you? thanks
 
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flicker said:
I must admit Alberto is inspirational, clean beat Lords' Andy and Lance clean, simply an authentic "true to cycling athlete"
huh?????? is that sarcasm or what?
 

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StyrbjornSterki said:
Bernhard Kohl had many tests, too, and his cleanliness was indisputable ...until that one test. Lance was never clean, he just managed one more negative than Kohl did.
My Lance, always winning by a tires width...
 
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flicker said:
My Lance, always winning by a tires width...
Do you never get tired of being a sarcastic "thruthsayer" ( In your view) "overseeing" in thinly desguised contempt the ramblings of people for who, while not in the "great scheme of things" something very important nonethless matters to them?. Ie honesty in sport.
For someone so "aloof" to it all you sure spend a lot of time typing drivel.
The correct place for you might be some WWF type forum cus whatever pro cycling is..it`s certainly not yet WWF "Entertainment".

Your REALY getting boring.
 

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Darryl Webster said:
Do you never get tired of being a sarcastic "thruthsayer" ( In your view) "overseeing" in thinly desguised contempt the ramblings of people for who, while not in the "great scheme of things" something very important nonethless matters to them?. Ie honesty in sport.
For someone so "aloof" to it all you sure spend a lot of time typing drivel.
The correct place for you might be some WWF type forum cus whatever pro cycling is..it`s certainly not yet WWF "Entertainment".

Your REALY getting boring.
sorry darryl I am getting totruth. To spell it out for you some of your icons are not as clean as you might think and to me dope is dope. steroids amphetamines cortacoids were being used in the early 70s. Compititve cyclists and other cyclists dope, it is their lifestyle and for them it is getting an edge. For them it is n't cheating! Only if they are caught!

Beware of the nice guy! If anyone out there in cyberspace can hear Lance has not been convicted or charged. Sermon 7 quote 69
 
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Contador's attitude is disgraceful at the very least. He's complaining about his treatment..it's laughable...he does nothing for his teammates, more likely, he's concerned with Alberto. Say whatever you want about Lance, he at least suffered for his teammates to win...just ask Levi in California
 
Derukeman said:
Contador's attitude is disgraceful at the very least. He's complaining about his treatment..it's laughable...he does nothing for his teammates, more likely, he's concerned with Alberto. Say whatever you want about Lance, he at least suffered for his teammates to win...just ask Levi in California
What is laughable is your comment. Which teammates did Contador do nothing for? The 2010 Astana team that was not good enough to win the tour because of the far superior RS team. Ha. Or maybe the 2009 team that was riding for your boy Lance, and Contador won anyway and stuck it your boy big time. Lance was sure supportive of Alberto then wasn't he. And support Levi in Cali..Give me a break. Lance's shorts were still dirty because of Floyd's disclosures. Fanboy's. What a joke.
 
veganrob said:
What is laughable is your comment. Which teammates did Contador do nothing for? The 2010 Astana team that was not good enough to win the tour because of the far superior RS team. Ha. Or maybe the 2009 team that was riding for your boy Lance, and Contador won anyway and stuck it your boy big time. Lance was sure supportive of Alberto then wasn't he. And support Levi in Cali..Give me a break. Lance's shorts were still dirty because of Floyd's disclosures. Fanboy's. What a joke.
Not to mention the way he pitched in to help Levi in the 2010 TdF once his own chance was gone. Riding around off the back until he had lost enough time that he could go in a break and stuff up trying for a stage win even with Horner's help.:D
 

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Why do the spanish cheat so much?

Spanish culture says its ok to cheat and lie, and if you get caught, we will find a way to show it was someone elses fault.

You don't hear Contador answering for anything, just saying that he will hold his breath until he turns blue if they find him guilty.

Why was his body filled with plasticizers?

The Spanish food agency said that Contador should file a complaint with them if he ingested Clenbuterol from meat. No formal complaint has been made.

Remember when he said he couldn't remember where the meat came from? then that his manager had the bill? then the manager said he gave it to Astana? but no bill could be produced by ****ador. Smoke screen if there ever was any.

Spanish riders cheat. Its a way of life in their country. Spanish culture is good with cheaters and liars. Manolo Saiz is going to have a team again. The man that is at the centre of many cheating scandals.

I've never taken the result of any race where a spaniard one seriously. Chances are they are doped, as the country supports dopers.
 
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Derukeman said:
Contador's attitude is disgraceful at the very least. He's complaining about his treatment..it's laughable...he does nothing for his teammates, more likely, he's concerned with Alberto. Say whatever you want about Lance, he at least suffered for his teammates to win...just ask Levi in California

everything Armstrong has done only had 1 person in mind and that is Armstrong. everything he has done has been for himself and to furthter his ego, enrichment and power (for whatever he wants power over peloton, his team etc.)
 
ridecanada said:
Spanish culture says its ok to cheat and lie, and if you get caught, we will find a way to show it was someone elses fault.

You don't hear Contador answering for anything, just saying that he will hold his breath until he turns blue if they find him guilty.

Why was his body filled with plasticizers?

The Spanish food agency said that Contador should file a complaint with them if he ingested Clenbuterol from meat. No formal complaint has been made.

Remember when he said he couldn't remember where the meat came from? then that his manager had the bill? then the manager said he gave it to Astana? but no bill could be produced by ****ador. Smoke screen if there ever was any.

Spanish riders cheat. Its a way of life in their country. Spanish culture is good with cheaters and liars. Manolo Saiz is going to have a team again. The man that is at the centre of many cheating scandals.

I've never taken the result of any race where a spaniard one seriously. Chances are they are doped, as the country supports dopers.
Oh yeah he is as quilty as hell, but come on who in the top 20- 100 would not have failed the plasticizer test in the TdF in the last 7-8 years?
 
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I thought you lot believed anyone who was once on Armstrong's team must be guilty as sin? And so much for inspirational because he said he never doped, did you say that when Landis said he'd never doped? Nope.
 
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SC1990 said:
I thought you lot believed anyone who was once on Armstrong's team must be guilty as sin? And so much for inspirational because he said he never doped, did you say that when Landis said he'd never doped? Nope.
you lot is a lot of varied opinions on here....
 
hfer07 said:
pardon me, but which part of the Interview Carlos de Andres is "soft" on AC? I reckon he hasn't been official charged of doping up to date-so what is it that needs to be "tough & straightforward" according to you? thanks
Sorry, I missed this.

Well, first of all, Carlos de Andrés never talks about doping except to toe the omerta line: doping exists, but it's not as bad as people think, it's only a few rotten apples, cyclists are victims of the system, yadda yadda. Aside from being the commentator for cycling events, he's also the director of Teledeporte, so he has a lot to say about what goes on air - during the Vuelta, that included a special feature with Valverde where he was portrayed as a victim and where at no time it was suggested that he did in fact dope. He had Heras in the studio commentating another stage and, again, he focused on how he was blacklisted once his ban was over but without touching on the fact that he doped. Same with all doping cases. Same with Contador before this interview.

Now, as for this specific case, aside from the direct question of whether he doped, what does he focus on? On Astana. On UCI shenanigans. On how Alberto feels abandoned by everybody and is so sad. Basically, on how much of a victim he is. He asks Contador about how Astana has treated him, and he presses on until Contador's feelings on his former team are perfectly clean, and yet he doesn't show the same zeal to ask him about his doping case. He even goes as far as to ask if he's confident no one in his team has doped him without his knowledge.

But Alberto's possible guilt is dealt with in one simple question: "Have you ever doped?", to which Contador answers "No". And that's it. No further pressure. No questions about why he's so sure it was the meat, when even UCI brought up other non-doping possibilities. No real questions about what happened between the moment he was notified of his positive and the moment it was made public, about how he decided his line of defense, about UCI's role in it (keeping his positive confidential against their normal MO, qualifying his positive in their press release by saying it was a "very small amount" of clenbuterol, which again goes against their normal MO, suggesting Contador to hire a certain specialist for his defense, etc). De Andrés implies the UCI are the bad guys here, without trying to explore the things that can and have been interpreted as the UCI trying to protect Contador. There was no attempt to establish whether the results of the plasticizers test were a fabrication or a leak of true information either. No discussion of Contador's career with Iberdrola, ONCE and Liberty (Saiz), Discovery Channel and Astana (Bruyneel, and a positive once there's no more Bruyneel) or about Puerto to challenge his claim that he had never doped.

Carlos de Andrés, like many other "journalists" in the cycling world, depends too much on his close relations with the riders and DS's.
 
ridecanada said:
Spanish culture says its ok to cheat and lie, and if you get caught, we will find a way to show it was someone elses fault.

You don't hear Contador answering for anything, just saying that he will hold his breath until he turns blue if they find him guilty.

Why was his body filled with plasticizers?

The Spanish food agency said that Contador should file a complaint with them if he ingested Clenbuterol from meat. No formal complaint has been made.

Remember when he said he couldn't remember where the meat came from? then that his manager had the bill? then the manager said he gave it to Astana? but no bill could be produced by ****ador. Smoke screen if there ever was any.

Spanish riders cheat. Its a way of life in their country. Spanish culture is good with cheaters and liars. Manolo Saiz is going to have a team again. The man that is at the centre of many cheating scandals.

I've never taken the result of any race where a spaniard one seriously. Chances are they are doped, as the country supports dopers.
You are going to trash an entire nations culture because of what Contador has done? *** edited by mod ***
 

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veganrob said:
You are going to trash an entire nations culture because of what Contador has done? *** edited by mod ***
Spain has produced more cheaters in the last 5 years than any other country. How would you explain it? Their governing body does little to stop it, they do even less to punish those involved.

Its a culture of cheaters.
 
ridecanada said:
Spain has produced more cheaters in the last 5 years than any other country. How would you explain it? Their governing body does little to stop it, they do even less to punish those involved.

Its a culture of cheaters.[/QUOTE

I can't explain anything to racists. If the Spanish sport have a history of cheating, ok. But you condemned an entire nation.
 
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Hugh Januss said:
Oh yeah he is as quilty as hell, but come on who in the top 20- 100 would not have failed the plasticizer test in the TdF in the last 7-8 years?
Yes Hugh I agree with you on first point. In my opinion he will be found guilty and 2 years is handed to him.

But I have to disagree with you about top 20-100 in TDF failing a plasticizer test. That is a big statement. Have I any data or links to back myself? -- NO. So if you challenge me: I GOT NUTIN. Whoo, actually I can think of a "miracle rider" who EVERY year, apart from this year, would have blown the plasticizer test through the roof. This year not certain. Couldnt tell because: 1 he spent a bit too much time skating while not on bike. 2 he is getting a bit long in the tooth.
The sport is definitely being cleaned up(as opposed to many other sports) with the help of bio passport program and the work of WADA as an overseer

cheers dallas
 
hrotha said:
Sorry, I missed this.

Well, first of all, Carlos de Andrés never talks about doping except to toe the omerta line: doping exists, but it's not as bad as people think, it's only a few rotten apples, cyclists are victims of the system, yadda yadda. Aside from being the commentator for cycling events, he's also the director of Teledeporte, so he has a lot to say about what goes on air - during the Vuelta, that included a special feature with Valverde where he was portrayed as a victim and where at no time it was suggested that he did in fact dope. He had Heras in the studio commentating another stage and, again, he focused on how he was blacklisted once his ban was over but without touching on the fact that he doped. Same with all doping cases. Same with Contador before this interview.

Now, as for this specific case, aside from the direct question of whether he doped, what does he focus on? On Astana. On UCI shenanigans. On how Alberto feels abandoned by everybody and is so sad. Basically, on how much of a victim he is. He asks Contador about how Astana has treated him, and he presses on until Contador's feelings on his former team are perfectly clean, and yet he doesn't show the same zeal to ask him about his doping case. He even goes as far as to ask if he's confident no one in his team has doped him without his knowledge.

But Alberto's possible guilt is dealt with in one simple question: "Have you ever doped?", to which Contador answers "No". And that's it. No further pressure. No questions about why he's so sure it was the meat, when even UCI brought up other non-doping possibilities. No real questions about what happened between the moment he was notified of his positive and the moment it was made public, about how he decided his line of defense, about UCI's role in it (keeping his positive confidential against their normal MO, qualifying his positive in their press release by saying it was a "very small amount" of clenbuterol, which again goes against their normal MO, suggesting Contador to hire a certain specialist for his defense, etc). De Andrés implies the UCI are the bad guys here, without trying to explore the things that can and have been interpreted as the UCI trying to protect Contador. There was no attempt to establish whether the results of the plasticizers test were a fabrication or a leak of true information either. No discussion of Contador's career with Iberdrola, ONCE and Liberty (Saiz), Discovery Channel and Astana (Bruyneel, and a positive once there's no more Bruyneel) or about Puerto to challenge his claim that he had never doped.

Carlos de Andrés, like many other "journalists" in the cycling world, depends too much on his close relations with the riders and DS's.

well, it seams both we speak the same lenguage or are able to understand. I will never defend De Andrés who I find being a weak journalist, but your arguments are just partial, saying what you say it means the following: the system is perfect, the laws are fine, the UCI makes a brilliant job and cyclist are always guilty.

I'm following closely your editorial line on doping and wonder you never, never defend any, any rider. Never. People like you are killing the sport.

You represent the complete antagonistic figure than Carlos De Andrés, but same problem remains
 
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