Contador on Eurosport

[LaFlorecita]

LaFlorecita, maybe it's time to grow up and stop acting like you are right while we are all allegedly wrong? in this case "lolololol!" is almost offensive cue, I think.

That lad should just learn how to read.

 

[Benotti69]

Bull****. I love lots of riders. Unfortunately, I also have to hate quite a few.

How can you love or hate people you don't know and only view from a distance through other peoples means of communication(tv/computer/print media)?

 

[FignonLeGrand]

LaFlorecita, maybe it's time to grow up and stop acting like you are right while we are all allegedly wrong? in this case "lolololol!" is almost offensive cue, I think.

No it isnt offensive it is irrelevant like most of her posts. An inability to see anything with perspective just means its not worth being bothered by. In fact on that note I should just stop trying to reason and ignore

 

[FignonLeGrand]

That lad should just learn how to read.

I can read perfectly well. It is just there is no sense in your drivel. Writing lots of crap just means there is lots of crap. It doesn't make you right or even intelligible

 

[LaFlorecita]

No it isnt offensive it is irrelevant like most of her posts. An inability to see anything with perspective just means its not worth being bothered by. In fact on that note I should just stop trying to reason and ignore

It's not irrelevant. You said that I don't even consider the posibility Alberto doped and that is simply not true.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I can read perfectly well. It is just there is no sense in your drivel. Writing lots of crap just means there is lots of crap. It doesn't make you right or even intelligible

So can I assume that you still haven't read what I posted? I posted this: "I know it is a possibility." Can you now just admit that you were wrong to say that I do not even consider the possibility Alberto doped?

 

[LaFlorecita]

How can you love or hate people you don't know and only view from a distance through other peoples means of communication(tv/computer/print media)?

Ah... I don't know... Some people just seem such *******s... but who knows, maybe they're actually fantastic people... but I don't care. I hate or love people for the things I know of... not for the things I don't.

 

[Biggut]

I think the crux of all this comes down to, I believe many cyclists are doping. We KNOW that Contador did.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I think the crux of all this comes down to, I believe many cyclists are doping. We KNOW that Contador did.

No we don't. No one on this forum can be sure.

 

[Hugh Januss]

No we don't. No one on this forum can be sure.

You need try to get a grip on reality. I like Contador, I like the way he wins races and last year I especially liked the way he didn't, with attacking style and panache and a minimum of whining. I even took his side in the famous Chaingate CN forum internet wars. But he dopes and the only real evidence one needs is the fact that he can ride with and beat all the other dopers. The only reason there is any doubt that he doped is because the UCI allowed it to creep in with this silly tainted meat story, because they knew he would be back and just as badass and had to let him have a story that people can identify with and still hold him up as a hero. You know, kind of like cancer. In fact if it wasn't for a German reporter we very well may have never heard anything about clenbuterol and we would be all looking forward to watching Bertie beotch slap little Andy around France once again, but I digress.
He doped, please don't rise to Lance fanboy levels of denial in your support of Contador.

 

[LaFlorecita]

You need try to get a grip on reality. I like Contador, I like the way he wins races and last year I especially liked the way he didn't, with attacking style and panache and a minimum of whining. I even took his side in the famous Chaingate CN forum internet wars. But he dopes and the only real evidence one needs is the fact that he can ride with and beat all the other dopers. The only reason there is any doubt that he doped is because the UCI allowed it to creep in with this silly tainted meat story, because they knew he would be back and just as badass and had to let him have a story that people can identify with and still hold him up as a hero. You know, kind of like cancer. In fact if it wasn't for a German reporter we very well may have never heard anything about clenbuterol and we would be all looking forward to watching Bertie beotch slap little Andy around France once again, but I digress.
He doped, please don't rise to Lance fanboy levels of denial in your support of Contador.

Look. I've said this a billion times already: I don't know what happened. No one here does. So we can all believe what we want to believe. I will continue to believe he did nothing wrong until I see some incontrovertible evidence. I however do acknowledge there is a possibility he doped. I have no problem with the fact that others don't share my opinion. I don't understand why you all apparently do. Really, don't force me to believe what you all believe. My brain works fine, you know. There's no need to act like I must have an IQ of 60 just because I love Alberto and believe him.

 

[LaFlorecita]

You really are in denial.

Wrong. I am not in denial. You see, not everything I post is subjective and biased towards Alberto.

Let me explain it: However small the chance is, there might be a possibility he did not dope. And even if it's just a 0.0000000001 % chance, that still means we can't be entirely sure. The only ones that can be sure he doped are the ones who saw it with their own eyes; the only one that can be sure he did not dope, is Alberto himself. It surprises me that you can't see that.

 

[burning]

I really like Contador as a rider (Pretty much my favorite active rider), and I know that he had 0.00000000005 grams per ml clenbuterol on that day.

Thats all I know and I think that he didnt doped but discussing this issue is really beating a dead horse and become totally pointless imo

 

[LaFlorecita]

I really like Contador as a rider (Pretty much my favorite active rider), and I know that he had 0.00000000005 grams per ml clenbuterol on that day.

Thats all I know and I think that he didnt doped but discussing this issue is really beating a dead horse and become totally pointless imo

Exactly. There are people that believe him, and there are people that don't.

Everyone's opinion should be respected, even those of the people that don't agree with the general opinion.

 

[hrotha]

Exactly. There are people that believe him, and there are people that don't.

Everyone's opinion should be respected, even those of the people that don't agree with the general opinion.

That's a fallacy. Just because there are two options it doesn't mean both are equally likely or believable. It's the same kind of fallacy creationism advocates use when discussing evolution.

 

[burning]

That's a fallacy. Just because there are two options it doesn't mean both are equally likely or believable. It's the same kind of fallacy creationism advocates use when discussing evolution.

I dont think that many people will change his opinion about him unless there is some certain proof for If he doped or not, everybody has their own truth for this issue

 

[LaFlorecita]

That's a fallacy. Just because there are two options it doesn't mean both are equally likely or believable. It's the same kind of fallacy creationism advocates use when discussing evolution.

That's not even what I'm saying. I'm saying that everyone's opinion should be respected no matter how popular or realistic that opinion is.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I dont think that many people will change his opinion about him unless there is some certain proof for If he doped or not, everybody has their own truth for this issue

Again I completely agree with you.

 

[sniper]

That's not even what I'm saying. I'm saying that everyone's opinion should be respected no matter how popular or realistic that opinion is.

like hrotha said, do we really have to respect people who claim the world is flat?
start reading some books perhaps, or even a newspaper would do. grow out of your cocon. (i know, that's alot to ask at once)

I dont think that many people will change his opinion about him unless there is some certain proof for If he doped or not, everybody has their own truth for this issue

dude, are you serious? "some certain proof"? in what cave have you been living? the same cave as florecito, i reckon.
Does the word PUERTO ring a bell? AC, initials, doping list?
Ah, and Jaksche, Etxebarría and Landis (all testified to AC doping) probably all had axes to grind...
Ow, and, ahm, plasticizers on the 2nd restday? (and as you suggested previously: let's forget about the CLEN).
you probably wouldn't recognize "some certain proof" if it hit you in the face.

 

[MarkvW]

like hrotha said, do we really have to respect people who claim the world is flat?
start reading some books perhaps, or even a newspaper would do. grow out of your cocon. (i know, that's alot to ask at once)



dude, are you serious? "some certain proof"? in what cave have you been living? the same cave as florecito, i reckon.
Does the word PUERTO ring a bell? AC, initials, doping list?
Ah, and Jaksche, Etxebarría and Landis (all testified to AC doping) probably all had axes to grind...
Ow, and, ahm, plasticizers on the 2nd restday? (and as you suggested previously: let's forget about the CLEN).
you probably wouldn't recognize "some certain proof" if it hit you in the face.

Wikipedia has a great arti

 

[hrotha]

For the record, Etxebarría, Jaksche and Landis didn't testify to AC doping. Jaksche implied AC most likely (like 99% sure) doped, but he also said he didn't know for sure who else in the team went to Fuentes. Landis just repeated that you can't win the Tour clean, and he knows Bruyneel, but he has no direct knowledge on the matter. Etxebarría wasn't even talking about AC doping but about what he perceived as hypocrisy in regards to those who were ostracized due to Puerto.

Still, it's a pretty clear cut issue. Few active riders have been involved in more doping shenanigans than Contador.

I also think refusing to acknowledge what should be obvious doesn't make you a better fan. It just makes you deluded. If you can't support the guy for what he actually is, what's the point?

 

[Ripper]

That's not even what I'm saying. I'm saying that everyone's opinion should be respected no matter how popular or realistic that opinion is.

Bwa ha ha ha. Nice trolling. It is not opinion anymore if he doped. He went through a mighty expensive appeal process and is suspended.

Hmm, do you also have an opinion that perhaps 2+2 equals 5?

Past a certain fraction of percentage, there is no more opinion if one thinks of a reasonable person. So, you are either unreasonable, or trollllllllling

Not to worry, you can vomit love all over the forum in how ever many days AC Dopador returns. Until he gets suspended again

 

[airstream]

No, LaFlorecita, it isn't so. That's impossible to respect every opinion, otherwise one would have had to respect any stupidity any nonsense. Moreover, no one agrees with you that he didn't dope. You just try to hide all that behind the veil of obscurity. He vastly doped and eventually we couldn't have known anything if the info hadn't turned out to be in hands of German press by chance. It was a real miracle. We can only guess how many times before positive tests could be swept under the carpet.

 

[sniper]

For the record, Etxebarría, Jaksche and Landis didn't testify to AC doping. Jaksche implied AC most likely (like 99% sure) doped, but he also said he didn't know for sure who else in the team went to Fuentes. Landis just repeated that you can't win the Tour clean, and he knows Bruyneel, but he has no direct knowledge on the matter. Etxebarría wasn't even talking about AC doping but about what he perceived as hypocrisy in regards to those who were ostracized due to Puerto.

Still, it's a pretty clear cut issue. Few active riders have been involved in more doping shenanigans than Contador.

I also think refusing to acknowledge what should be obvious doesn't make you a better fan. It just makes you deluded. If you can't support the guy for what he actually is, what's the point?

+1 to the bolded part.

anyway, Floyd mentioned in the TV interview that he used to buy his dope from the guy who is now AC's manager (or his doctor? don't remember exactly).

 

[movingtarget]

For the record, Etxebarría, Jaksche and Landis didn't testify to AC doping. Jaksche implied AC most likely (like 99% sure) doped, but he also said he didn't know for sure who else in the team went to Fuentes. Landis just repeated that you can't win the Tour clean, and he knows Bruyneel, but he has no direct knowledge on the matter. Etxebarría wasn't even talking about AC doping but about what he perceived as hypocrisy in regards to those who were ostracized due to Puerto.

Still, it's a pretty clear cut issue. Few active riders have been involved in more doping shenanigans than Contador.

I also think refusing to acknowledge what should be obvious doesn't make you a better fan. It just makes you deluded. If you can't support the guy for what he actually is, what's the point?

To add to that, his interviews are boring and have no interest at all. The guy is dull but looks impressive on a mountain, chemicals or not.