Contador positive!!!!!

[Escarabajo]

I don`t see how can Cotador come out clean. Banned substance - 2 year ban. It`s jut the way things go in cycling. Rasmussen got this ban just of whereabouts and that one was a shame, how will he feel if he finds out that some people can dope, while he can`t lie about being in Mexico,

Having a poster with the DenisMenchov avatar and at the same time attacking Contador for being a doper looks very disturbing to me!

 

[mikeNphilly]

First I want to say a big CONGRATS to Auscyclefan94...for breaking the news in Australia of another doper in cycling, enjoy your dinner.

Second to see people actually believe this stupid story of him eating meat and this caused his positive..really??

After all of the caught and not caught dopers...LA, Basso, Ulrich, Vino, Hamilton..just to name a few of the top of my head in 5 seconds, some of you believe this stupid story. He sounds like some of the MLB guys after they get caught or come clean and have these stupid excuses.

He doped(and got caught, most importantly)..get over it...move on. Cheer for him in if you wish in one or two years.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

"Spanish sports secretary of state Jaime Lissavetzky, meanwhile, expressed his support for Contador.

'Alberto Contador is a clean person and a clean athlete,' he said. 'We all need to be careful before judging anyone, because we are waiting for a scientific study.'

Lissavetzky explained that Contador had called him, giving him a 'word of honour' that he had not taken illegal substances."


http://www.monstersandcritics.com/n...ng-scandals-rock-Spanish-cycling-News-Feature

Case closed.

 

[Escarabajo]

As Barrus pointed out -AC was being tested every day so surely a transfusion would show on the bio-passport?

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No it would not.

I said this in another thread. It is not typical to have blood samples taken out from cyclists very often during races. That's very rare. It only happens during rest days and before the race. So from 3 samples from the Tour plus the ones they have from out of competition they have to build the Biological Passport.

Blood samples on race days are not done because of the theory that dehydration affects the normal behavior of the blood (High hematocrit, low plasma). So the samples would not be good. So they wait for the mornings of rest days.

You saw what happened last year with LA profile numbers being suspicious and the UCI still could not (or did not want to) do anything about it because it was within “range” of the “offscore”. For this year I believe that cyclists are being more cautious about their doping programs. Maybe they have tuned down and that's the reason for the rather low speeds on the main contenders, especially Contador. At lower doses you still get good performance but less than last year. It would be still be difficult to find if somebody was doping but at least the Bio Passport is reducing the bigger effects (Pantani Alpe d’Huez, Contador Verbier). My 2 cents.

 

[scribe]

"Spanish sports secretary of state Jaime Lissavetzky, meanwhile, expressed his support for Contador.

'Alberto Contador is a clean person and a clean athlete,' he said. 'We all need to be careful before judging anyone, because we are waiting for a scientific study.'

Lissavetzky explained that Contador had called him, giving him a 'word of honour' that he had not taken illegal substances."


http://www.monstersandcritics.com/n...ng-scandals-rock-Spanish-cycling-News-Feature

Case closed.

hallelujah amen

 

[auscyclefan94]

"Spanish sports secretary of state Jaime Lissavetzky, meanwhile, expressed his support for Contador.

'Alberto Contador is a clean person and a clean athlete,' he said. 'We all need to be careful before judging anyone, because we are waiting for a scientific study.'

Lissavetzky explained that Contador had called him, giving him a 'word of honour' that he had not taken illegal substances."


http://www.monstersandcritics.com/n...ng-scandals-rock-Spanish-cycling-News-Feature

Case closed.

"Corruption is like a ball of snow, once it's set a rolling it must increase." - Charles Caleb Colton

 

[Anonymous]

First I want to say a big CONGRATS to Auscyclefan94...for breaking the news in Australia of another doper in cycling, enjoy your dinner.

Second to see people actually believe this stupid story of him eating meat and this caused his positive..really??

After all of the caught and not caught dopers...LA, Basso, Ulrich, Vino, Hamilton..just to name a few of the top of my head in 5 seconds, some of you believe this stupid story. He sounds like some of the MLB guys after they get caught or come clean and have these stupid excuses.

He doped(and got caught, most importantly)..get over it...move on. Cheer for him in if you wish in one or two years.

Have you actually looked at the facts. Where in any of the facts and the discussions since has it been proven that AC doped.
I cant stand the guy, but even i can work out that he wasnt taking it as a PED ,and the amount is so miniscule there are only two ways it could have got in his system. Contaminated food, and possibly transfusion for which their is currently no test.

Contador may get banned, who knows, but if he does, it wont be for doping, it will be for a technicality. And I for one dont think that is good for the sport,ban people for epo, ban people for ped's, ban people when there is evidence, but dont ban people for bull**** like this.

 

[auscyclefan94]

First I want to say a big CONGRATS to Auscyclefan94...for breaking the news in Australia of another doper in cycling, enjoy your dinner.

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Thank you very much. To clear things up, I first saw that story just come up on Cyclingnews as i refreshed my page. i then sent it a text to the SEN text line to report the story. kevin bartlett only a few minutes later said that there is unofficial reports from a recent text that Alberto Contador has tested positive for clen...later that hour I received a call from SEN who gave me a dinner for two to the Lobster Cave. NONE of the other media sources had reported the story yet.

 

[Not Riding Enough]

In the worlds coverage Phil Ligget just said it "seems indisputable that it came from meat". Paul Sherwan said it should have been "hushed up until further investigation". Strange turn of phrase.

 

[Anonymous]

In the worlds coverage Phil Ligget just said it "seems indisputable that it came from meat". Paul Sherwan said it should have been "hushed up until further investigation". Strange turn of phrase.

well they are both idiots and the fact they are saying that changes my opinion completely. Contador is a filthy doper and needs to be banned

 

[sartain]

Hilarious effort to dismiss Conti's positive tests. Why not decide to support clean racing and get behind a big 2 year suspension for Alberto? This could do a lot to clean up the sport of cycling.

If AC and his PR team had half a brain, they would form a sister .org to LAF.org, call it ACF.org to help drug addicts and serial liars cope with their problems. He could then get Puma to bank-roll the whole shooting match; print up some blue wrist bands and get a few million adoring groupies to follow him on Twitter. He will then quickly rise to a cult/icon status and become untouchable. I mean everyone knows someone that either does drugs or lies; it touches each and every one of us every day!

 

[BroDeal]

If AC and his PR team had half a brain, they would form a sister .org to LAF.org, call it ACF.org to help drug addicts and serial liars cope with their problems. He could then get Puma to bank-roll the whole shooting match; print up some blue wrist bands and get a few million adoring groupies to follow him on Twitter. He will then quickly rise to a cult/icon status and become untouchable. I mean everyone knows someone that either does drugs or lies; it touches each and every one of us every day!

I propose calling it ACF94.org. It just sounds right.

 

[offbyone]

I don't understand how they can determine it was meat when they have not meat to test?

Also, was team ASTANA getting their meat from a distributor that was unique from all other teams? Because if there was contaminated meat in an area of the tour one would think many riders would test positive.

 

[BroDeal]

In the worlds coverage Phil Ligget just said it "seems indisputable that it came from meat". Paul Sherwan said it should have been "hushed up until further investigation". Strange turn of phrase.

Good old Ligget. Never met a doper he did not like and did not defend...except for Landis. No one can believe Landis.

Too bad Bob Roll is not commentating on the World's. His take on events would be priceless I am sure.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't understand how they can determine it was meat when they have not meat to test?

Also, was team ASTANA getting their meat from a distributor that was unique from all other teams? Because if there was contaminated meat in an area of the tour one would think many riders would test positive.

they had their own meat. Its very rare for teams to share chefs. Vino however had a different peice of meat to AC. AC shared his meat with the rest of the team.

 

[Blakeslee]

I don't find the tainted beef story as presented by Contador to be credible. The whole thing sounds too much like the kind of story a teenager might invent to hide a misdeed from their parents. What really tipped it for me was the part of the story involving Vino, it just seems a little too convenient that the one other rider on the team who was tested on the same day just happened to eat dinner early.

I think the small traces of the drug found support the blood transfusion theory as much if not more than the tainted beef theory. The amount was so small it was probably missed by whatever screening Contador or his team had done before transfusing the blood, not realizing that the lab would be able to detect such a small amount. With everything that has come out about blood doping practices over the last few years this explanation seems more plausible to me than the tainted beef explanation.

 

[mr. tibbs]

Maybe Alberto was so famished he ate the meat without taking the wrapper off? What would Eddy do?

**** the meat--Eddy would eat Schleck.

 

[skidmark]

That's interesting that they have a test to detect trace amounts of plastic. I hope that comes into play more often, if for nothing else, because it would provide a whole new line of amazingly inventive excuses.

'um... so I had this crazy dream that I was trying to blow up this beach ball forever, and when I woke up, I had eaten my oxygen tent... that explains the epo and the plastic'

 

[theswordsman]

OK, we're back to the meat question. Contador and his chef have a mutual friend who organizes a race in Spain. He was coming to the Tour and asked if they needed anything from home. He ended up buying them some steak, which the chef prepared on the team bus due to issues with the hotel chef. Vino had his dinner earlier, so didn't join in. Contador and some teammates ate the steak, but Alberto was the only one who had a urine test later (as race leader). The chef also said that the organizer was reimbursed for the meat, and that Astana doesn't pay for anything without an invoice, so there's probably at least documentation that the meat story happened.
http://www.marca.com/2010/09/30/ciclismo/1285847818.html

On to new business. Don Catlin was asked to comment on the situation soon after the news broke, but before he had details about amounts. Universal Sports spoke to him again when the figures became known.

What are your initial thoughts on the Alberto Contador story?
Obviously it's a huge awful tragedy for sport, and obviously for cycling. There's no question it's there, it's not going away. The amounts are very small, which suggests it's a contaminated supplement or meat, or he got some blood somewhere along the line that had some clenbuterol in it

Are there any serious risks to ingesting it?
One can get very sick. These epidemics from 20, 25 years ago, people were very sick. I'll have to check on how many deaths there were. The laboratory reports very small amounts [in the Contador case], and that's more suggestive of contamination of a supplement, blood or meat.

With such a small amount in his system, would Contador have gained any advantage?
There's no question that the amount is small. But WADA doesn't care, it's in your system and you're caught. All you have to do is show that it's there - frankly, a lot of people think that's really unfair.

This will cause a re-review of everything because people are pretty upset about it.

http://www.universalsports.com/news/article/newsid=494362.html

 

[icefire]

I propose calling it ACF94.org. It just sounds right.

The real ACF94 would sue them. Or he might try to get a free meal for being first

 

[LeonG2010]

More rational view please!

"The sad part about this one is that no matter what the science eventually shows the headlines have been made. It's too bad that this process could not have occurred in a way that you had a final determination of guilt or innocent and then something was released. That's something that needs to be looked at. It's the headline that will be in the memory of the general public and it will always supercede the reality and the science, and that's sad. I don't think that's fair," Vaughters told Cyclingnews.

"In any of these cases you've got to let science do its work. The general public will not be willing or have the time to look into the facts. It's a headline, it's a twenty second blurb, it's a 140 character Tweet and their minds are made up when in fact it's a very complex story."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vaughters-wants-fairness-in-contador-doping-case


I certainly support this view. Many of the views expressed on this forum are not fair either. Hearsay & ignorance abound. We could do with a little more mature reflection. There are too many cyclists from LA through to AC who are prejudged and condemned by the media circus with myriads of ill-informed/over-biased bloggers in its wake. We need a more rational sense of procedure than trial by mass hysteria.

 

[Roude Leiw]

I don't know if somewhere in the 80+ pages it was already mentionned, but there seems to be some evidence that he actually used a blood transfusion

Link (in french)

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2010/20100930_224156_l-hypothese-d-une-transfusion.html

 

[Polyarmour]

I don't find the tainted beef story as presented by Contador to be credible. The whole thing sounds too much like the kind of story a teenager might invent to hide a misdeed from their parents. What really tipped it for me was the part of the story involving Vino, it just seems a little too convenient that the one other rider on the team who was tested on the same day just happened to eat dinner early.

I think the small traces of the drug found support the blood transfusion theory as much if not more than the tainted beef theory. The amount was so small it was probably missed by whatever screening Contador or his team had done before transfusing the blood, not realizing that the lab would be able to detect such a small amount. With everything that has come out about blood doping practices over the last few years this explanation seems more plausible to me than the tainted beef explanation.

The problem with your analysis is that you can't rule the meat contamination theory out. All you can do is give an opinion about what you think is "more plausible" ... which means nothing. The fact remains that Clenbuterol contamination of meat does occur, there is no way of protecting yourself from accidental contamination and yet there is a zero tolerance policy in place.

This isn't like finding synthetic testosterone in his body... for which there is no alternative explanation. Here there IS an alternative explanation and it is backed up by the fact that it was such a small amount.

 

[njtruscott]

Astana!!! Doping again

My moneys on him eating alexander vinokourov's food!!!!
But Regardless of the situation and excuses, positive is positive, that substance in your system would have some effect on performance
Astana involved again no surprise!

 

[thehog]

There will be more news coming out of Spain today or first thing tomorrow substantiating Contador's theory.

It should be noted positive tests such as these are more common than the public are aware. They just don't hear about them.