Cookson is worse for cycling than McQuaid

[TailWindHome]

I, too, find the idea of Cookson bullying anyone as despicable. But I'm not yet convinced that that is what transpired in the midst of that interview. It seemed, to me, that he was warning JTL away from the idea of returning to coaching, or other activities that clearly violate the conditions of his ban during the designated two years.

I'm not familiar enough with the specific rules, but I would imagine that if JTL were able to convince someone to allow him to participate in banned activities during his period of ineligibility, that his suspension would then be eligible for an extension.

That is what I took away from the Cookson interview.
I'm curious to have a better understanding of the rules under such hypothetical circumstances though.

Good post.

And to add, a UCI president speaking in support of anti doping efforts does not compromise the independence of anti-doping.

 

[the sceptic]

The Cookson video is hilarious, whenever he talks about the RK case he keeps saying "we" then corrects himself. Here's me thinking anti-doping was independent... but he clearly deeply involved.

The horse steroid affair was Cooksons worst nightmare. If anti doping was independent, those things could happen all the time.

So yes, I do believe Cookson wants to remain in control over who gets to test positive. The questions for me is, where does his heart lie? With his friends at team sky or with Olegs wallet?

 

[sniper]

The horse steroid affair was Cooksons worst nightmare. If anti doping was independent, those things could happen all the time.

So yes, I do believe Cookson wants to remain in control over who gets to test positive. The questions for me is, where does his heart lie? With his friends at team sky or with Olegs wallet?

he cut down on his own salary so clearly he has to cover for that somehow.
i think though that he is clever enough to eat from both sides of the table and keep both parties more or less happy. but we'll see.

i'd love to hear more from JTL and it's a missed chance that Daniel Benson didn't have the guts to dig a bit deeper. He couldn't shoot the ball in the back of the net when he had an empty goal in front of him.

 

[ebandit]

i'd love to hear more from JTL

You want to hear more denials and BS theories?........are you waiting for him to declare that he had a Chimeric twin and set up a JTL Fairness fund to which you could contribute?......incredible

Mark L

 

[ebandit]

The questions for me is, where does his heart lie? With his friends at team sky or with Olegs wallet?

If you ask yourself a question containing a false dichotomy.......don't expect a meaningful or valid answer

Mark L

 

[thehog]

You want to hear more denials and BS theories?........are you waiting for him to declare that he had a Chimeric twin and set up a JTL Fairness fund to which you could contribute?......incredible

Mark L

Actually, no.

I'd like to hear more about the letters received within team sky in relation to the passport.

We already know Froome was using Predisone illegally and for performance enhancement. I'd like to know more how that came about.

Let's hope JTL speaks. And is not threatened by the UCI president who has deep links into team Sky.

Let JTL speak.

 

[thehog]

The horse steroid affair was Cooksons worst nightmare. If anti doping was independent, those things could happen all the time.

So yes, I do believe Cookson wants to remain in control over who gets to test positive. The questions for me is, where does his heart lie? With his friends at team sky or with Olegs wallet?

Ccookson still has the Doc in place and heading up the TUE committee of one

I guess a Cookson lied when he said he'd form an actually committee. Never happened.

The horse steriod incident demonstrates that we should hear more from JTL and not threaten him.

 

[ebandit]

Actually, no.

I'd like to hear more about the letters received within team sky in relation to the passport.

We already know Froome was using Predisone illegally and for performance enhancement. I'd like to know more how that came about.

Let's hope JTL speaks. And is not threatened by the UCI president who has deep links into team Sky.

Let JTL speak.

JTL is denying......he's been caught doping and he's trying to discredit the system by way of defence......his explanation that was roundly lambasted here and elsewhere didn't wash....so now he is trying to make insinuations that there wasn't due process with his 'mickey mouse court' comments........his comments about Sky's reaction show that they considered him bang to rights.......Cookson is right......JTL should either admit of STFU.........you want to hear more denials because that is all JTL has to say

The horse steriod incident demonstrates that we should hear more from JTL and not threaten him.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-support-chris-froome-tue-decision....

WADA disagrees with you.....or are they part of the mass conspiracy too??????

Mark L

 

[sniper]

JTL is denying......he's been caught doping and he's trying to discredit the system by way of defence......his explanation that was roundly lambasted here and elsewhere didn't wash....so now he is trying to make insinuations that there wasn't due process with his 'mickey mouse court' comments........his comments about Sky's reaction show that they considered him bang to rights.......Cookson is right......JTL should either admit of STFU.........you want to hear more denials because that is all JTL has to say



http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-support-chris-froome-tue-decision....

WADA disagrees with you.....or are they part of the mass conspiracy too??????

Mark L

you;re all over the place again, conveniently forgetting that Cookson didn't deny anything of what JTL said in the interview. He only countered JTL's claim that UKAD is clownesque. But that's a matter of taste, not of fact.
It seems all factual claims made by JTL in that interview are truthful.

 

[thehog]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-support-chris-froome-tue-decision....

WADA disagrees with you.....or are they part of the mass conspiracy too??????

Mark L

Sounds like you're threatening JTL as well. Good grief.

Your horse steriod article is from June 16th prior to Cookson being caught with his pants around his ankles for lying about the lack of a TUE committee.

From June 24th:

Teams must normally apply for a TUE for their riders 21 days out, but if it considers the condition acute, the UCI can fast-track the procedure. An expert committee of at least three people, according to WADA rules, must still review the application. Over the weekend, the French weekly wrote that the UCI lacked a proper committee to issue the TUE and relied solely on a medical advisor, Dr. Mario Zorzoli.

“The UCI does not have the committee of experts as has long been required by the World Anti-Doping Agency rules,” the newspaper reported. “It’s the sole responsibility of Zorzoli to grant these authorizations that — as in Chris Froome’s case — can aid performances.”

It added that WADA Director General David Howman “is concerned” about the UCI’s TUE process and asked it “to quickly fix the shortcomings identified in this case.”

The UCI said yesterday, according to Reuters, it is “working closely” with Howman to review its anti-doping rules, including those regarding TUEs.

“A completely revised set of rules is in preparation and will enter into force on January 1, 2015 in conjunction with the revised 2015 WADA code and international standards, including the international standard for therapeutic use exemptions (ISTUE),” the UCI said.

“As an immediate measure, the UCI confirms that from now on, all TUE decisions will pass through the TUE committee.”


http://velonews.competitor.com/2014...e-of-froome-fiasco_333125#7btqd0cUqI7BcBR0.99

 

[the sceptic]

If you ask yourself a question containing a false dichotomy.......don't expect a meaningful or valid answer

Mark L

Mark L, seems like you cannot see the forest for all the dots.

Cookson appears to be nothing more than a british version of McQuaid.

If cycling is ever going to change then people like JTL needs to tell the full story. Dont be so quick to label JTL as the british Di Luca. Give him a chance to tell his story.

 

[ebandit]

you;re all over the place again, conveniently forgetting that Cookson didn't deny anything of what JTL said in the interview. He only countered JTL's claim that UKAD is clownesque. But that's a matter of taste, not of fact.
It seems all factual claims made by JTL in that interview are truthful.

....except the one about doping

Mark L

 

[thehog]

Mark L, seems like you cannot see the forest for all the dots.

Cookson appears to be nothing more than a british version of McQuaid.

If cycling is ever going to change then people like JTL needs to tell the full story. Dont be so quick to label JTL as the british Di Luca. Give him a chance to tell his story.

I'm concerned that Mark L is also threatenng JTL, "STFU" type statmemts and behaviour would make Bruyneel proud.

 

[ebandit]

Mark L, seems like you cannot see the forest for all the dots.

Cookson appears to be nothing more than a british version of McQuaid.

If cycling is ever going to change then people like JTL needs to tell the full story. Dont be so quick to label JTL as the british Di Luca. Give him a chance to tell his story.

It doesn't take much to notice the inconsistency.....before Hoggie's last last-chance ban, or was it the last-chance ban before, I forget, Hoggie was desperately trying to make JTL's doping a Sky issue....overtly claiming that Sky doped him.....whilst at the same time claiming that Cookson has close links to Sky and are protecting them.....you make the same claims......unfortunately those dots go off in different directions

Mark L

 

[ebandit]

I'm concerned that Mark L is also threatenng JTL, "STFU" type statmemts and behaviour would make Bruyneel proud.

Oh you are concerned are you?? ......"admit or STFU".......you don't like this?.....you want to hear more pathetic Omerta denials......the prisons are full of innocent men, Hoggie........its just a shame that you will say anything, absolutely anything, to try and score cheap points.......YOU said Sky doped JTL......so where is the admission from JTL??......I want to hear it

Mark L

 

[thehog]

Ah Hoggie's little echo is back......its a pity you don't scrutinise your Master's theories a little more closely.....it doesn't take much to notice the inconsistency.....before Hoggie's last last-chance ban, or was it the last-chance ban before, I forget, Hoggie was desperately trying to make JTL's doping a Sky issue....overtly claiming that Sky doped him.....whilst at the same time claiming that Cookson has close links to Sky and are protecting them.....you make the same claims......unfortunately those dots go off in different directions

Mark L

This is not about me.

Considering you weren't aware of the lack of TUE committee and linked an older article my sense is you're not on top of the situation.

Stating JTL should "STFU", is overtly aggressive. If Sky have done nothing wrong then they have nothing to worry about it.

Appears Cookson is protecting Sky more than anything else. Considering his passport letter was "leaked" to Walsh I'd like to know more. How did it get from the UCI to Walsh?

Let JTL speak.

 

[thehog]

Oh you are concerned are you?? ......"admit or STFU".......you don't like this?.....you want to hear more pathetic Omerta denials......the prisons are full of innocent men, Hoggie........its just a shame that you will say anything, absolutely anything, to try and score cheap points.......YOU said Sky doped JTL......so where is the admission from JTL??......I want to hear it

Mark L

You sound very angry.

Your anger should be directed to Sky and British Cycling. JTL was doping with them and Froome was using horse steriods to smash the field at Romandie.

It's very straight forward.

This is not about me.

Let JTL speak.

 

[TailWindHome]

I'd like to hear more about the letters received within team sky in relation to the passport.

Why would like to see other riders denied the right to confidentiality prior to charge which was denied to JTL?

That makes no sense.

 

[ebandit]

This is not about me.

It is about your claims.....don't try and disassociate yourself from what comes out of your mouth Hoggie

Considering you weren't aware of the lack of TUE committee and linked an older article my sense is you're not on top of the situation.

Your quite incorrect assumption

Stating JTL should "STFU", is overtly aggressive.

I don't like lying dopers.....it seems you do

If Sky have done nothing wrong then they have nothing to worry about it.

They don't seem too worried....just made their mind up pretty quick that they weren't going to support a doper

Appears Cookson is protecting Sky more than anything else. Considering his passport letter was "leaked" to Walsh I'd like to know more. How did it get from the UCI to Walsh?

Let JTL speak.

How would JTL know this?......how would busting a rider with a Sky contract and riding in Sky kit for a historical doping offence be "protecting" Sky?


Mark L

 

[TailWindHome]

Give him a chance to tell his story.

He should be encouraged to tell his story.
Confess and tell who assisted and advised him.
Provide information which leads to the charging of other dopers.
He should receive a reduction in his ban in return.

 

[thehog]

Why would like to see other riders denied the right to confidentiality prior to charge which was denied to JTL?

That makes no sense.

Because JTL wasn't afforded that right as his letter was leaked & the system is broken. Additionally, because we also are aware of Froome/Sky/UCI circumventing the rules with performance drugs at Romandie, we need to know more.

Cookson promised us transparency. All we've got is cover ups & threats.

Let JTL speak.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Does any one else find it strange that JTL's alleged doping ban did not result in a public request by Cookson, when interviewed about JTL's ban, for JTL to chat to the CIRC?

But he did ask Lance to chat to them?

 

[ebandit]

"“Mr Tiernan-Locke needs to consider his situation very carefully. He has to look at the terms and conditions of his sanction. I see that he’s talking about coaching again, well I’m afraid that he’s banned from coaching or any event in any capacity that has anything to do with the UCI or any national federation affiliated with the UCI.”

“To hear Jonathan say things like the UKAD anti-doping hearing was a mickey mouse court, I think that’s very foolish and not a wise thing to have said. I’m giving him a message that’s quite clear, he’s putting himself in a deeper and deeper hole. He would be wise to accept his sanction and if he wants to return in two years then let’s see what happens.”

=stop denying and trying to blame the system that caught you
=don't even think about trying to teach young riders to dope through 'coaching'

Let JTL talk. Let him admit.

 

[ebandit]

Does any one else find it strange that JTL's alleged doping ban did not result in a public request by Cookson, when interviewed about JTL's ban, for JTL to chat to the CIRC?

But he did ask Lance to chat to them?

The CIRC is about the the 90's and 2000's.......the Lance years.....it isn't about a two-bit doper in second tier team in September 2012....not in their remit

Mark L

 

[TailWindHome]

Because JTL wasn't afforded that right as his letter was leaked & the system is broken. Additionally, because we also are aware of Froome/Sky/UCI circumventing the rules with performance drugs at Romandie, we need to know more.

Cookson promised us transparency. All we've got is cover ups & threats.

Let JTL speak.

That argument doesn't make sense.

Should riders be afforded confidentiality in the BP process prior to any charge?