Cookson is worse for cycling than McQuaid

[Dear Wiggo]

ha, indeed.
cheers DW!

This speaks even louder to me:

My evidence is simply I asked Francesa: "why do all these pre race scores show high and then it immediately drops upon first in race test?" Her answer "Yes, I know, it's a problem with many riders. We don't know why, but we are looking into it."

I don't have any more evidence than that. So, go ask her. Go on!

If you prove me wrong, I will resign from my job and credit you.

Is that, "Appeal to a higher authority?"

NB 1: "All these pre race scores" means, Ryder tested high
NB 2: I saked JV to show one single domestique's values to corroborate the claim - anyone in his team, anonymously - and he said, (paraphrased) "You've already made your mind up, I am not going show an amateur blah blah..."

Oh yeah here it is in black and white. I ask for objective evidence and get this:

Btw - I am happy to give profiles and other info to experts. Not a pre-decided, anonymous, angry dude on a forum. Sorry, its not *crickets*, its "NO"...

When you show the ability to be objective and have expertise, I'm happy to be as transparent as you want. But you exhibit neither.

Lastly, you resort to "legends" pretty quickly. Why? Because tantalizing stories are more fun to you that reality. Me too. that's why I love Star Wars.

JV

Anyway the point is: either JV is lying - or the UCI (ie Rossi) are sharing private ABP information with a team manager. And / or the UCI (ie Rossi) are allowing someone to perpetuate the "things are cleaner", "Oh look!! MCE!!" narrative.

 

[Digger]

This speaks even louder to me:



Is that, "Appeal to a higher authority?"

NB 1: "All these pre race scores" means, Ryder tested high
NB 2: I saked JV to show one single domestique's values to corroborate the claim - anyone in his team, anonymously - and he said, (paraphrased) "You've already made your mind up, I am not going show an amateur blah blah..."

Oh yeah here it is in black and white. I ask for objective evidence and get this:



Anyway the point is: either JV is lying - or the UCI (ie Rossi) are sharing private ABP information with a team manager. And / or the UCI (ie Rossi) are allowing someone to perpetuate the "things are cleaner", "Oh look!! MCE!!" narrative.

In my opinion it's the bold.

 

[sniper]

This speaks even louder to me:



Is that, "Appeal to a higher authority?"

NB 1: "All these pre race scores" means, Ryder tested high
NB 2: I saked JV to show one single domestique's values to corroborate the claim - anyone in his team, anonymously - and he said, (paraphrased) "You've already made your mind up, I am not going show an amateur blah blah..."

Oh yeah here it is in black and white. I ask for objective evidence and get this:



Anyway the point is: either JV is lying - or the UCI (ie Rossi) are sharing private ABP information with a team manager. And / or the UCI (ie Rossi) are allowing someone to perpetuate the "things are cleaner", "Oh look!! MCE!!" narrative.

so he challenges you to prove him wrong, but then when you inquire for more data and start asking the right follow-up questions, he gives you the finger.
nothing to hide...

and that discourse of his ('angry dude who's made up his mind, etc.') really isn't much different from what we got from Lance Armstrong and now from the likes of Brailsford, Wiggins.
Such a give-away.

 

[sniper]

In my opinion it's the bold.

i'm more thinking it's both.
if he's right about the MCE, why w/couldn't he show it for any other rider?

 

[sniper]

from the tennis thread, where silent bans are being discussed:

Tennis is acting within world anti-doping guidelines that give sports federations some 'flexibility in terms of disclosure' when athletes test positive for a banned substance, Ben Nichols, a World Anti-Doping Agency spokesman, said in an e-mail from Montreal.

judging from how Menchov's ban was kept quiet and Henao was 'sent on vacation', i think Cookson likes the ITF's approach.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Anyway the point is: either JV is lying - or the UCI (ie Rossi) are sharing private ABP information with a team manager. And / or the UCI (ie Rossi) are allowing someone to perpetuate the "things are cleaner", "Oh look!! MCE!!" narrative.

FYI: they share scores. The ADAMS system is set up for that. The athlete gets results with nice graphs and everything. There are functions to grant access to other parties. It could be as simple as sharing a password with the team.

What we learned from the IAAF corruption is there is plenty of private information and money being passed around to never test positive on positive tests. We have enough suspicious performances in cycling to suggest they must be sitting on quite a large number of positive scores and doing nothing....

 

[Dear Wiggo]

FYI: they share scores. The ADAMS system is set up for that. The athlete gets results with nice graphs and everything. There are functions to grant access to other parties. It could be as simple as sharing a password with the team.

What we learned from the IAAF corruption is there is plenty of private information and money being passed around to never test positive on positive tests. We have enough suspicious performances in cycling to suggest they must be sitting on quite a large number of positive scores and doing nothing....

Are you suggesting JV has access to the ABP values of riders on other teams?



Coz that's a recipe for disaster right there. And I ain't buying it, not matter how hard you sell it.

 

[sniper]

good cyclismas blog from 2011:

Biological Passport: The UCI’s PR Stunt

, I was assured by the UCI that cycling?s main stakeholders ? the teams ? were receiving regular updates of anti-doping tests and statistics. This information, the UCI said, was not being sent out to the media.

http://www.cyclismas.com/biscuits/biological-passport-the-ucis-pr-stunt/

vaughters has been suspiciously close with both gripper and rossi.
perhaps vaughters/Garmin were part of the PR stunt?
create 'perceivably' clean GT/monument winners in exchange for passport intel?

 

[Ventoux Boar]

good cyclismas blog from 2011:

Digger's best mates were busy advising McQuaid, feeding him info on CCN etc.

I am concerned with some of the language coming out of this new faction meeting in London led by Jaimie Fuller. He reached out and asked me to put him in touch with influential people in the sport to whom I'm connected, all of which declined direct participation, as did I.
~Snip~
...As per my email of several months ago, I feel your heart is in the right place, and I'm reaching out to you to in the hope your heart is still in the right place...

PMSL. Surely you're not claiming that the folk who walked off with the Kimmage dough are a credible source?

 

[Digger]

Digger's best mates were busy advising McQuaid, feeding him info on CCN etc.



PMSL. Surely you're not claiming that the folk who walked off with the Kimmage dough are a credible source?

earlier you said I was a 'bigot' - you might back that up or man up for once - seen as we both know who you are

 

[Ventoux Boar]

earlier you said I was a 'bigot' - you might back that up or man up for once - seen as we both know who you are

I'd say that frequently describing a poster's "half-brained" opinion as derived solely from their nationality pretty much covers the bigot bit.

As for 'manning-up', are you 12?

 

[ray j willings]

I'd say that frequently describing a poster's "half-brained" opinion as derived solely from their nationality pretty much covers the bigot bit.

As for 'manning-up', are you 12?

Do Women "womanning up"

What do you have to do to "man up"

My wife teaches Kung fu and can hurt men with violence does that count as manning up or womanning up.

Lets get this matter sorted once and for all.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

What do you have to do to "man up"

My wife teaches Kung fu and can hurt men with violence does that count as manning up or womanning up.

"Man-up", we both know who you are, grasshopper"

Don't make her angry.

 

[Digger]

I'd say that frequently describing a poster's "half-brained" opinion as derived solely from their nationality pretty much covers the bigot bit.

As for 'manning-up', are you 12?

no it doesn't - you'd think you'd know the word's meaning

but aside from that I never based stupid posts based on nationality

I base stupid posts on whether they are......stupid

Like yours...your cycling posts are those of an imbecile who has followed cycling for four years - the sky tenure

Now clean steve or is it dopey dan, it's not my fault you are struggling to explain how sky could possibly be clean, yet do what they have done. Amongst other things continue to beat the times of doped riders.

 

[the sceptic]

marginal brains?

 

[Ventoux Boar]

no it doesn't - you'd think you'd know the word's meaning

but aside from that I never based stupid posts based on nationality

I base stupid posts on whether they are......stupid

Like yours...your cycling posts are those of an imbecile who has followed cycling for four years - the sky tenure

Now clean steve or is it dopey dan, it's not my fault you are struggling to explain how sky could possibly be clean, yet do what they have done. Amongst other things continue to beat the times of doped riders.

bigoted - adjective
having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others

It would be wrong to think of you as a credulous divvy simply because of where you come from, yet you frequently state that only blind nationalists don't believe that Sky are necessarily going Postal.

I'll ignore your hopeless baiting and hilarious obsession with my ID. Seems to be bothering you.

 

[Digger]

bigoted - adjective
having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others

It would be wrong to think of you as a credulous divvy simply because of where you come from, yet you frequently state that only blind nationalists don't believe that Sky are necessarily going Postal.

I'll ignore your hopeless baiting and hilarious obsession with my ID. Seems to be bothering you.

haha at the baiting line - how many accounts you set up to troll me on twitter...and you talk about obsession

 

[sniper]

when you guys are done *****-slapping each other, maybe we can return to more urgent issues.

FYI: they share scores. The ADAMS system is set up for that. The athlete gets results with nice graphs and everything. There are functions to grant access to other parties. It could be as simple as sharing a password with the team.

What we learned from the IAAF corruption is there is plenty of private information and money being passed around to never test positive on positive tests. We have enough suspicious performances in cycling to suggest they must be sitting on quite a large number of positive scores and doing nothing....

Are you suggesting JV has access to the ABP values of riders on other teams?



Coz that's a recipe for disaster right there. And I ain't buying it, not matter how hard you sell it.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Are you suggesting JV has access to the ABP values of riders on other teams?



Coz that's a recipe for disaster right there. And I ain't buying it, not matter how hard you sell it.

Haha. No. Sorry. I misunderstood.

Is there data strategically leaking out of the system by those with authority to access it? Of course. Is the UCI explicitely sharing data? They could as easily contact a DS and give some very good "advice."

 

[sniper]

You really do have to wonder why it is only now, after the sanctioning of Leinders, that UCI decide to investigate Zorzoli.
After all, Rasmussen's accusations directed at Zorzoli were already there in his autobiography from 2013.

Last week it emerged that Rasmussen accuses UCI's medical advisor Mario Zorzoli of making an agreement with Rabobank doctor Geert Leinders to allow Rasmussen to continue in the race despite the Dane having abnormally low reticulocyte levels.

Another allegation is related to his LH levels which suddenly rose from 4,9 to 81 following an injection which should help Rasmussen get ready for the challenging final stages. Rasmussen claims that Zorzoli entered his hotel room where Rabobank doctor Van Mantgem was also present, asking for an explanation of the suspect values.



According to Rasmussen, Zorzoli and Van Mantgem agreed not to take any immediate action but decided to make further tests after the race. Van Mantgem reportedly claims that "we did nothing" to which Zorzoli said: "Ok, but don't do it again."



Contacted by ****iociclismo, Zorzoli denies any wrongdoing, claiming that he couldn't take action based on the evidence at hand.

http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/uci_medical_advisor_zorzoli_denies_rasmussen_claims/

 

[mrhender]

You really do have to wonder why it is only now, after the sanctioning of Leinders, that UCI decide to investigate Zorzoli.
After all, Rasmussen's accusations directed at Zorzoli were already there in his autobiography from 2013.

http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/uci_medical_advisor_zorzoli_denies_rasmussen_claims/

I reckon no need to investigate before subject becomes a liability for real..

I know the good doctor has been a liability thru' Clinic glasses for long..
But maybe the Leinders was the tipping point insofar that it became too obvious even for the casual follower...

One more thing... The smearing of Rasmussen being held persona non grata since 2007 has made it easier to ignore his claims by their own account...

 

[Basecase]

Phat's assertions rubbished again

http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-...oping-by-amateurs-was-reason-i-wanted-change/

 

[sniper]

http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-...oping-by-amateurs-was-reason-i-wanted-change/

good interview. here's a guy talking sense.
excellent how he slams cookson and the passport.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I had been given the impression from posts here that Cookson was perceived as a go getter who got BC back on its feet?

?I wasn?t by any stretch of the imagination a Cookson man. I asked around what people thought of him, people in British Cycling who I know, and I was told that they didn?t rate him very highly,? he said.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I had been given the impression from posts here that Cookson was perceived as a go getter who got BC back on its feet?

He is associated with the Sky (global like they imagine the sport) money raining down at the UCI. As a longtime management committee member, an important bloc of apparatchiks would likely vote for the guy for the right price.