The UCI passed off the investigation to the CIRC:Joelsim said:He's under investigation Bronstein. Let's not jump the gun before everything is examined properly by legal people. Why is Kreuziger still racing? Why is Vino still in a job? Why is Rojas still riding? Why are passport readings flatter than they used to be? Why is Ferrari still involved? Why hasn't every single win been deleted from the record books from about 1990 onwards? Why are we judging Cookson right at the start of his tenure when he has to get processes into place for them to be effective?
(page 122 of the CIRC report)'“Mr. Rasmussen testified that in either 2004 or 2005, Dr. Leinders told him that
Mario Zorzoli recommended that Leinders give Rabobank riders DHEA because "all the
other teams are doing it as well.”” CIRC has investigated this statement regarding Mario
Zorzoli (which amounts to an ADRV being committed by a UCI staff member), and at the
time of completing its Report has been unable to confirm any allegation regarding his
supposed advice about taking a prohibited substance. The CIRC considers it
unacceptable and a severe breach of proper procedures that such serious accusations,
based on double hearsay, were made public without the individual first being consulted
and the allegations being fully investigated. This is all the more disturbing since this
accusation was completely immaterial to the case investigated. In addition, CIRC notes
that several interviewees expressed their high regard for Mario Zorzoli, both for his
scientific expertise and his honesty.'
He has not acted.Joelsim said:Well hi too. No I haven't read all 72 pages and I'm not trolling. I simply say that Cookson has commissioned this report and so don't judge him until he acts/doesn't act on it.
I don't agree. He is trying to do things properly. He now has the report to allow him to start with a clean slate...not under my watch...and he has been improving the legislature and the relationships with the people who he will need.Benotti69 said:He has not acted.Joelsim said:Well hi too. No I haven't read all 72 pages and I'm not trolling. I simply say that Cookson has commissioned this report and so don't judge him until he acts/doesn't act on it.
He made plenty of promises in his election manifesto. To date he has done nothing to improve testing or the fight against doping. He has had more than a year.
No idea mate, but let's look at the positives so far. He's not a magician.neineinei said:
Joel. A friendly word from elsewhere. I know that you have a pretty cynical opinion of cycling. But it's not really entrenched, more a fashionable affectation.Joelsim said:You are unbelievable, truly unbelievable. Give the bloke a chance to do things the right way, properly, and then let's see those things stick. And let's not allow the Katusha thing to happen, or more Kreuziger-type things, or people to get away with eating Chinese or ridiculous excuses like Impey's to happen.
If that doesn't happen by all means call him and me an ostrich.
OK, hint taken. Let's burn the witch!Parker said:Joel. A friendly word from elsewhere. I know that you have a pretty cynical opinion of cycling. But it's not really entrenched, more a fashionable affectation.Joelsim said:You are unbelievable, truly unbelievable. Give the bloke a chance to do things the right way, properly, and then let's see those things stick. And let's not allow the Katusha thing to happen, or more Kreuziger-type things, or people to get away with eating Chinese or ridiculous excuses like Impey's to happen.
If that doesn't happen by all means call him and me an ostrich.
If you come over here you are in fully radicalised extremist territory. If you want to fit in with the 'Clinic 12' then you can't show that sort of weakness. Give someone a chance? - that's wishy washy liberal nonsense.
At least you have to earn it here now.Joelsim said:Guys, until this evening I thought I was an ardent anti-doper. Now I realise that in order to be one of you I have to remove all reason and rationality from my thoughts. Tell you what, let's forget about doing things properly and get absolutely nowhere, with anything.
How could Zorzoli be a hero given the following:D-Queued said:Zorzoli is one very curious situation. He could still turn out to be a hero or a demon.
(http://cyclingquotes.net/news/rasmussen_accuses_uci_of_cover-up/?urlPath=news/rasmussen_accuses_uci_of_cover-up/?acceptCookie=1)Doctor Leinders and doctor Mario Zorzoli, chief of the UCI's medical department, had a meeting and talked about the situation. When it had finished, I was allowed to continue. No reason to be worried. Afterwards, doctor Leinders told me what had happened. He used a Dutch phrase "We have butter on our heads." Rabobank had a good relationship with the UCI.
(http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=115)In the spring of 2010, some riders of a Pro-Tour team that were training at altitude (on Teide, Tenerife) were subjected to the normal ABP samples. One they received the results of the analysis, considering them unreliable (the values were too high), all it took was a phone call from the team doctor to his friend Dr. Zorzoli, in charge of UCI's doping department, in order to get the results of those tests cleared from the profiles, as deemed inconvenient for the Team and for the sake of the Biological Passport system, which tends not to consider the effects of altitude.
(http://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/AAA_decision_Leinders_December_2014.pdf)Zorzoli confirmed that when a blood test reflected a suspicious result, UCI would contact a Rabobank team doctor, either Dr Leinders or another doctor, to discuss the potential cause of the result.
Zorzoli told Teitler that UCI kept in touch with team doctors so that “Riders and staff would have the idea that the UCI was basically on top of them and they had to be careful with what they would do in terms of doping,”
Only the more than my jobs worth parking attendent mentality will moan about Wiggo's Tour of Yorkshire participation, of cousre these people where all moaning about AN Posts attendance of the TOB last year.Benotti69 said:The CIRC focused on special treatment for LA, and literally days after Cookson is granting special treatment to Wiggins.
Cookson is able to ignore UCI rules just as well as his predecessors.
And yet posters think Cookson needs more time! sure..............................
so, game over, the publicity stunt "cycling at the forefront of antidoping" successfully deployed, the "New clean era" of UCI iron fist rule can go on, everyone is in principle guilty and they can freely pick up winner or bust any small fish or occasional dissenter (the same way Putin deployed "the law" on russian oligarchs, well, only those disobeying)sniper said:It´s dodgy as ****, especially in light of Zorzoli´s preferential treatment of Froome and Cookson´s all too obvious conflicts of interest wrt Sky.
My guess is that Zorzoli will continue to be in charge of antidoping for years to come.
The rule is to stop riders switching from one WT to another mid season, not to stop a pre planned drop to continental level like in this case, but because its Wiggo involved the over officious traffic wardens on Twitter want to have a good old moan about it, funny that they never moaned about AN Post at the TOB.Benotti69 said:But when UCI ignores its own rules, hey that's ok. I mean they are not really rules, more guidelines till UCI actually remembers they are rules and implements them.
I mean some guys are getting the kecks in a twists because no one can prove Sky have broken any rules and then when rules get broken they have a go and insult posters. Which ever way the wind is blowing as long as it is a tailwind............
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