Cookson is worse for cycling than McQuaid

[thehog]

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.........exactly........the moneys good..........but manchester could provide an interesting

hilly course .................where huge crowds could create a real atmosphere

Mark L

The lack of sandy beaches and palm trees makes Mancheter a non-starter. It will never hold the world championships.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Mr Crookson

 

[Benotti69]

After his appointment in September 2013, Cookson said that he and the organisation would take steps to ensure the CADF would become fully independent. 2 years later, zero. Another massive fail.

 

[del1962]

perhaps you can find out if this is a fair assesment rather than saying nothing has changed without any argument as to why

http://www.uci.ch/clean-sport/awwwnti-doping/

he independence of the CADF was significantly reinforced in September 2013 when its Board was completely renewed. The CADF is chaired by the former President of the UCI Anti-Doping Commission (who resigned this post to take up the chairmanship of CADF), Dr George Ruijsch Van Dugteren, and comprises three members who are independent of the UCI: two legal experts, Mr Christophe Misteli and Mr Thomas Capdevielle, and financial expert Mr Yvan Haymoz.

Previously, the legal management of potential doping cases was conducted by the UCI Legal Service. The new Legal Anti-Doping Service has been set up as a unit separate from the rest of the UCI in order to afford this function greater independence. The working relationships between the members of this Service and other UCI employees will be subject to strict guidelines. In particular, the Legal Anti-Doping Service will not receive any instructions from the UCI Management.

 

[Benotti69]

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perhaps you can find out if this is a fair assesment rather than saying nothing has changed without any argument as to why

Just because UCI puts out a press release saying something don't make it so!

Change needs to real not just words.

 

[Electress]

Re: heat

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cookson-riders-health-will-come-first-in-the-heat-of-qatar-worlds/

nice that the UCI are considerate about riders health

but wtf have the worlds in such a godawful place as qatar........it's not exactly
wonderful scenery or for the exciting racing ..................

Mark L

How this can be justified apart from filthy lucre baffles me. Crap for the future of the sport - Qatar hardly a hotbed of young wannabe Cavs and Contadors. Crap for the riders in miserable hot and dusty conditions. Crap for spectators and TV audiences. So only good for one thing - promoting Qatar as some kind of international venue and cash for the UCI.

And don't get me started on Crookson.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Re: heat

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cookson-riders-health-will-come-first-in-the-heat-of-qatar-worlds/

nice that the UCI are considerate about riders health

but wtf have the worlds in such a godawful place as qatar........it's not exactly
wonderful scenery or for the exciting racing ..................

Mark L

MONEY!!!! MONEY!!! MONEY!!! MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The UCI will even rearrange the end of the season for the right price.

I'm not certain how Women racing there are going to be dealt with as Qatar has strict and very specific morality laws that include appropriate dress for women.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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perhaps you can find out if this is a fair assesment rather than saying nothing has changed without any argument as to why

http://www.uci.ch/clean-sport/awwwnti-doping/

he independence of the CADF was significantly reinforced in September 2013 when its Board was completely renewed. The CADF is chaired by the former President of the UCI Anti-Doping Commission (who resigned this post to take up the chairmanship of CADF), Dr George Ruijsch Van Dugteren, and comprises three members who are independent of the UCI: two legal experts, Mr Christophe Misteli and Mr Thomas Capdevielle, and financial expert Mr Yvan Haymoz.

Previously, the legal management of potential doping cases was conducted by the UCI Legal Service. The new Legal Anti-Doping Service has been set up as a unit separate from the rest of the UCI in order to afford this function greater independence. The working relationships between the members of this Service and other UCI employees will be subject to strict guidelines. In particular, the Legal Anti-Doping Service will not receive any instructions from the UCI Management.

No increases in transparency then. In fact, just the opposite. Are these independent people working for free? Who pays them? Oh, that's right, the UCI. Why would anyone do anything to displease and IOC federation?

How long will it take before it's revealed "strict guidelines" is the UCI doing as it has done since Verbruggen's time?

 

[Benotti69]

So Cookson didn't crack down on a team proven to have a team doping program. Smells of a Federation President here doing what we know Fed Pres do when no one is looking. There has to be some perks living in a country renowned for its 'dirty' banking.......

 

[thehog]

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So Cookson didn't crack down on a team proven to have a team doping program. Smells of a Federation President here doing what we know Fed Pres do when no one is looking. There has to be some perks living in a country renowned for its 'dirty' banking.......

One word: "Menchov".

 

[StryderHells]

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So Cookson didn't crack down on a team proven to have a team doping program. Smells of a Federation President here doing what we know Fed Pres do when no one is looking. There has to be some perks living in a country renowned for its 'dirty' banking.......

Yep pretty much. McQuaid couldn't get rid of Katusha so no way in hell was Cookson getting rid of Astana

 

[Benotti69]

Cookson didn't send any samples to Cologne lately. All to Lausanne....it appears evident why.......

 

[Benotti69]

Really Brian?

Cookson on IAAF scandal.

"We have learned a few lessons in our sport and we can share those lessons"

IAAF could learn to almost ban the Russians then play pretend nothing ever happened...

I mean Cookson threw out the doping team, Astana and with the same stroke rid cycling of its doping problem, right?

 

[rainman]

Re: heat

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cookson-riders-health-will-come-first-in-the-heat-of-qatar-worlds/

nice that the UCI are considerate about riders health

but wtf have the worlds in such a godawful place as qatar........it's not exactly
wonderful scenery or for the exciting racing ..................

Mark L

MONEY!!!! MONEY!!! MONEY!!! MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The UCI will even rearrange the end of the season for the right price.

I'm not certain how Women racing there are going to be dealt with as Qatar has strict and very specific morality laws that include appropriate dress for women.

I was looking for a funny re women in burka's riding bikes in 50 degrees celcius but soon realised that there is nothing funny about it. In countries like Qatar women take a severe risk being seen riding a bike let alone wearing lycra. Nice work Brian!

 

[thehog]

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Really Brian?

Cookson on IAAF scandal.

"We have learned a few lessons in our sport and we can share those lessons"

IAAF could learn to almost ban the Russians then play pretend nothing ever happened...

I mean Cookson threw out the doping team, Astana and with the same stroke rid cycling of its doping problem, right?

Cookson? The guy who sided with Markov in the elections and did the “Menchov” on a passport infringement started by McQuaid? Hilarious.

 

[roundabout]

Re: heat

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cookson-riders-health-will-come-first-in-the-heat-of-qatar-worlds/

nice that the UCI are considerate about riders health

but wtf have the worlds in such a godawful place as qatar........it's not exactly
wonderful scenery or for the exciting racing ..................

Mark L

MONEY!!!! MONEY!!! MONEY!!! MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The UCI will even rearrange the end of the season for the right price.

I'm not certain how Women racing there are going to be dealt with as Qatar has strict and very specific morality laws that include appropriate dress for women.

I was looking for a funny re women in burka's riding bikes in 50 degrees celcius but soon realised that there is nothing funny about it. In countries like Qatar women take a severe risk being seen riding a bike let alone wearing lycra. Nice work Brian!

Err, what?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_of_Qatar#Ladies.27_past_winners

 

[bikenrrd]

The licensing commission for the UCI is independent of the president, so Brian didn't really have anything to do with them retaining / renewing their license. I seem to remember, at the time, that he insinuated that he would chuck them out if he had the power.

I don't know what power Seb Coe has over who gets to run in IAAF sanctioned events.

 

[thehog]

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The licensing commission for the UCI is independent of the president, so Brian didn't really have anything to do with them retaining / renewing their license. I seem to remember, at the time, that he insinuated that he would chuck them out if he had the power.

I don't know what power Seb Coe has over who gets to run in IAAF sanctioned events.

Its not independent. Its appointed by the management committee of the UCI.

The Licence Commission is the competent body for issuing, reviewing, withdrawing and attaching conditions to UCI WorldTour licences and ensuring that licence-holders continuously comply with the terms of the licence.

It meets at least once a year to finalise the registration procedure for UCI WorldTeams, but it can also be called upon at any time by the UCI administration to reconsider the awarding of a team’s licence, or even to withdraw it.

The Licence Commission’s decisions are made on the basis of ethical, sporting, financial and administrative criteria.

The Licence Commission is made up of four professionals who work independently of the UCI.

Its President is Mr. Pierre Zappelli, a former Swiss Court Supreme Judge. Its members are Messrs André Hurter, former Director of Services Industriels Genevois, a Swiss public company providing local services, Hans Höhener, a former Swiss politician who currently heads private businesses active in the fields of transport (Säntis-Schwebebahn AG), health and sport (Appenzellerland Sport), and Paolo Franz, a senior executive with IBM, a multinational information technology company.



The current composition was approved by the Management Committee on 15 June 2012 for a period of 4 years until 14 June 2016.

President
Pierre Zappelli (SUI)

Members
Paolo Franz (SUI)
Hans Höhener (SUI)
André Hürter (SUI)

http://www.uci.ch/inside-uci/organisation/commissions/commission/licence-commission/

 

[bikenrrd]

So Cookson doesn't sit on the committee, and wasn't in post when it was appointed.
Edit: also, as your post reads:
"The Licence Commission is made up of four professionals who work independently of the UCI."

 

[thehog]

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So Cookson doesn't sit on the committee, and wasn't in post when it was appointed.

He appoints, oversees and manages the committee and works in the same building when they meet.

Cookson was on the management committee when McQuaid was president - you know that don't you?

 

[bikenrrd]

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So Cookson doesn't sit on the committee, and wasn't in post when it was appointed.

He appoints, oversees and manages the committee and works in the same building when they meet.

Cookson was on the management committee when McQuaid was president - you know that don't you?

He may oversee and manage them but he didn't appoint the current committee. They were appointed in 2012. Cookson was elected in 2013.

 

[thehog]

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So Cookson doesn't sit on the committee, and wasn't in post when it was appointed.

He appoints, oversees and manages the committee and works in the same building when they meet.

Cookson was on the management committee when McQuaid was president - you know that don't you?

He may oversee and manage them but he didn't appoint the current committee. They were appointed in 2012. Cookson was elected in 2013.

He did as Cookson was on the "Management Committee" in 2012, he was appointed in 2009. The management committee apointments the licence committee.

Come on, this is schoolboy stuff

Brian has also been involved in World Championships in France, Great Britain, Switzerland, and the Barcelona Olympic Games.

Internationally, he was elected to the UCI Management Committee in 2009

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Cookson

 

[42x16ss]

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The licensing commission for the UCI is independent of the president, so Brian didn't really have anything to do with them retaining / renewing their license. I seem to remember, at the time, that he insinuated that he would chuck them out if he had the power.

I don't know what power Seb Coe has over who gets to run in IAAF sanctioned events.

No it's not, the license committee is overseen by the President who ratifies their decisions. The license committee is appointed by the management committee, which Cookson has been a member of since 2009.

If Cookson had an issue with any of the licensing committees decisions he could veto them. Obviously he doesn't.

Oops

Edit: Beaten by The Hog

 

[fmk_RoI]

Cookson: "I'm confident that the people running the Russian Cycling Federation are trying to do the right thing and I'm sure that if there were any problems there, they would not want to cover them up at all."

 

[Beech Mtn]

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Cookson: "I'm confident that the people running the Russian Cycling Federation are trying to do the right thing and I'm sure that if there were any problems there, they would not want to cover them up at all."

Cookson knows you gotta to dance with the one that brung you