Cookson is worse for cycling than McQuaid

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IndianCyclist said:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/race-organisers-reject-uci-worldtour-reforms
This is getting really ridiculous. All of them were part of the so called reforms meetings for the last 2 years and it takes this long for them to reject the same. Couldn't they have rejected them in the meetings itself strongly so that everybody would have not wasted their time. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
In cycling everything appears goes around in circles. After all most of the routes are circuitous in nature.
The last version of the reforms was only tabled a few weeks ago (at the Worlds). That is what the AIOCC are now rejecting. At the CCP meeting the AIOCC had just two votes. Their rejection of the proposals now puts them on a collision course with the UCI: the agreed reforms are scheduled to go ahead, but the race organisers don't want to implement them.

That everything appears to go around in circles - this is all the same old power game. Historically, the race organisers held it, today the UCI thinks it has it while the teams think they can yet usurp it. (The riders, they just go 'Yeah! Bikes!' and no one pays them any heed.)
 
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I was criticised before for comparing sporting federations to organised crime. It was considered an OTT statement that was for the birds. But we see the former IAAF president taking bribes to keep quiet about doping positives.

Now i read Graham Obree;

It is a bit like the mafia – if everyone is not implicated in a crime, then there is a loose cannon who can whistleblow,” he said, talking about one of the reasons for that peer pressure. “So if everyone gets involved with it, then nobody can squeak [speak out].”
I feel nothing has changed. Teams are not going to hire a Mr Clean in case he 'whistleblows'.

Cookson has done nothing to change the sports doping culture. All he has done is try to limit(hide) the damage(news) of positives and who knows if he has similar ideas to other sporting Federations.

The decision to drop the Cologne Lab does not point Cookson in a direction of being anti doping.
 
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fmk_RoI said:
Benotti69 said:
The decision to drop the Cologne Lab does not point Cookson in a direction of being anti doping.
Can you provide statistics on the use of the Cologne lab in the McQuaid era compared to the Cookson years?

Thanx in advance.
It was the Cologne lab that caught Contador. Lausanne lab is run by every federations friend Martial 'Capone' Saugy. :D

No i dont have statistics.
 
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Benotti69 said:
[It was the Cologne lab that caught Contador. Lausanne lab is run by every federations friend Martial 'Capone' Saugy. :D

No i dont have statistics.
1) Wasn't the choice of the Cologne lab to test Contador's sample - and a handful of others - considered highly unusual at the time, well out of the norm?

2) If you don't have statistics, is the claim that the Cologne lab has been dropped nothing more than an opinion? But you state it - time and time again - with such authority!
 
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fmk_RoI said:
Benotti69 said:
[It was the Cologne lab that caught Contador. Lausanne lab is run by every federations friend Martial 'Capone' Saugy. :D

No i dont have statistics.
fmk_RoI said:
1) Wasn't the choice of the Cologne lab to test Contador's sample - and a handful of others - considered highly unusual at the time, well out of the norm?
I think it was. Why was it done? Did they expect to get a positive and then a brown bag to make it go away?

fmk_RoI said:
2) If you don't have statistics, is the claim that the Cologne lab has been dropped nothing more than an opinion? But you state it - time and time again - with such authority!
No,but i cannot find anything about testing done at Cologne this year. It might have something to do with them being able to test for AICAR.

I did read it somewhere that UCI had dropped Cologne and cannot find the source.

http://www.velonation.com/news/id/16008/cologne-lab-develops-successful-test-for-banned-substance-aicar.aspx
 
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Benotti69 said:
i cannot find anything about testing done at Cologne this year.
With the exception of Bert and the related samples, can you find anything for Cologne for any years? You keep making this claim, stating it as it if were a verifiable fact, yet you have have sod all evidence apart from one case - that even you seem to admit was the exception, not the norm - and a dose of bad memory?

By your twisted logic, the alleged lack of Cologne testing is actually nothing less than proof of greater honesty in the UCI under Cookson, if true there is clearly no need or desire to extort those apocryphal brown bags you so fervently believe in. Rather than supporting your claim that an alleged lack of testing in Cologne undermines Cookson, using your argument in full it actually strengthens him.
 
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Benotti69 said:
I await your review...
Do you refer to this bit?

All the samples collected on the Tour de France 2014 were analysed in France, at the WADA-accredited laboratory of Châtenay-Malabry, using the most up-to-date techniques. The laboratory in Lausanne was involved in the pre-competition mission and also served as a back-up laboratory during the Tour itself.
The UCI's use of Châtenay-Malabry and Lausanne is a long-standing matter of record.

You seem to be missing the point here: you have been making this assertion. I asked for evidence to support it. It's for you to produce the evidence, not me. All I want is the evidence. If the assertion is true, great. If it's a load of bollix, what the hell, you've had a good run with it.
 
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In anticipation of you now actually going and looking for evidence to back up your claim and finding various instances in which the UCI was reported as having used the Cologne lab during the period, oh I don't know, 1996 to 2013, allow me to preemptively counter: if Cookson has nixed the use of the Cologne lab since taking the reins of power in 2013, is it simply a case that the person who sent Matteo Rabbotini's sample there in 2014 didn't read the memo?
 
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I like many of the changes Cookson has implemented however I do wish he would get some help in how to dress for success. He always looks like he spent the night in a car. Looks do matter when negotiating.
 
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hein

Benotti69 said:
Verbruggen remains Hon President of the UCI and 40K the better. Chapeau Cookson.

so?............hein is even worse than mc quaid..cookson............

..........what's new............

Mark L
 
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Benotti69 said:
Verbruggen remains Hon President of the UCI and 40K the better. Chapeau Cookson.
wouldnt surprise me if Hein won this case because his lawyers were able to show that the CIRC wasn't as independent as Cookson claimed it to be.
 
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ebandit said:
Benotti69 said:
Verbruggen remains Hon President of the UCI and 40K the better. Chapeau Cookson.

so?............hein is even worse than mc quaid..cookson............

..........what's new............

Mark L
I guess Hein has dirt on Cookson.

No one ever argued he was not worse than McQuaid or Cookson. The thread is whether Cookson is worse for cycling than McQuaid. And it would appear so.
 
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Serious question..

When is election time again?

Cookson is a curious case to me, he has put himself in all kinds of awkward and difficult positions and yet he manages to somewhat dissapear when the going gets tough.

Where will he go now, what will he say?

He's been investing his person as UCI president in many cases (kreuziger, Astana, JTL, Verdruggen, CIRC, Reforms etc) but yet none of those seems to have worked out to his benefit (other than his initial comments in each case has shown a resourceful and determined president).

And everytime, when the final verdict was in, he has vansihed from the earths surface (hyperbole intended).

Is this really just a testament that even with good intentions and PR strategy you will in the end be double-crossed by the crazy logic of cycling that is madness in every form?

Genuinely I am undecided wether he originally set out to do some good, but simply ws overcomed and maybe even surprised how much deviation from the norm can harm you.

Basically he is reduced to tweeting appraisal comments on cycling events he himself ignored and got a lot of heat for.

Hmm,.
 
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Benotti69 said:
fmk_RoI said:
Benotti69 said:
[It was the Cologne lab that caught Contador. Lausanne lab is run by every federations friend Martial 'Capone' Saugy. :D

No i dont have statistics.
fmk_RoI said:
1) Wasn't the choice of the Cologne lab to test Contador's sample - and a handful of others - considered highly unusual at the time, well out of the norm?
I think it was. Why was it done? Did they expect to get a positive and then a brown bag to make it go away?

fmk_RoI said:
2) If you don't have statistics, is the claim that the Cologne lab has been dropped nothing more than an opinion? But you state it - time and time again - with such authority!
No,but i cannot find anything about testing done at Cologne this year. It might have something to do with them being able to test for AICAR.

I did read it somewhere that UCI had dropped Cologne and cannot find the source.

http://www.velonation.com/news/id/16008/cologne-lab-develops-successful-test-for-banned-substance-aicar.aspx
 
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Benotti69 said:
Verbruggen remains Hon President of the UCI and 40K the better. Chapeau Cookson.
Each time you think you have read it all along comes a new one. Pro cycling is just absolutely effed. You could not make this stuff up if you were trying. Cookson just an absolute joke.
 
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There's more...

UCI fire back at Verbruggen: disagreement never reached court

But it doesn't make much sense. :confused:

If someone could sort fact from fiction in that article, I'd be impressed.

These two excerpts are awesome though.

I [Brain Cookson] indeed met with Mr Hein Verbruggen last summer. We came to a confidential agreement, which was to ensure, amongst other things, that he would stop using his influence to criticise and cause trouble for the UCI. Since Mr Verbrugeen never respected his commitments, the agreement is considered null. No money has ever been paid to Mr Verbruggen since I became President."
“Mr. Cookson renounces definitively from asking me to resign from my Honorary-Presidency and agrees not to mention this question anymore publicly or privately.”
:D

The overall immaturity of this sordid affair might be more entertaining if it weren't so pathetic.

I've read that latest article a couple of times now, but the questions remain:

1) Is Hein Still an Honorary anything within the walls of the UCI?

2) Was there any kind of settlement or not?
 
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Secret backroom deals by Cookson involving payment of substantial sums to Verbruggen. NOTHING changes in the world of pro cycling.
 

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