Cookson is worse for cycling than McQuaid

[sniper]

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Can you show the good?

Could you see it with your blinkers on?

So no good?

We could do a trade. I show you the good when you show me your long requested stats proving Cookson has blocked use of the Cologne lab...

Or, you could save us both a lot of time here: do you accept that there is any good in cycling, or would I just be wasting my time and yours showing it to you?

i dont think there were stats showing this.
it was a logical inference from a statement on antidoping UCI made in, i think, 2014, a press release explaining where all the samples had been sent. It mentioned Chatenay-Malabry and Lausanne, not Cologne.
We know for fact that in Phat's period at least some samples were sent to Cologne for targeted testing.
It would be interesting to see stats showing Cookson (or the pseudo-independent CADF) has used the Cologne lab, too.

 

[Benotti69]

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From top to bottom i see corruption, from the UCI president to soigneurs and all in between.

So any attempts to show you the good is just wasting time, for both of us.

Is wasting time something you like to do?

Well why dont you just tell the other other good members of the forum the good in the sport? sharing is caring......

Otherwise you are obfuscating at best and.........

 

[djpbaltimore]

I think the Lucas Euser story recently in CN highlights some of the good aspects of the sport of cycling (the camaraderie within the community) and also the harshness of the business. There are a lot of good people in the sport stuck in a quagmire of corruption and ambivalence.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/lucas-euser-forging-a-new-path-after-the-pain-of-early-retirement/

 

[fmk_RoI]

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i dont think there were stats showing this.

The comment wasn't aimed at you and before leaping in you should check the history of the conversation, as some stats have been produced, for both pre-Cookson and post-McQuaid. They don't back up the conspiracy theory. Ben is working on that.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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Otherwise you are obfuscating at best and.........

How long does this normally go on before the ban hammer comes out? Let's end it now: you get the next comment and the last word.

 

[sniper]

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i dont think there were stats showing this.

The comment wasn't aimed at you and before leaping in you should check the history of the conversation, as some stats have been produced, for both pre-Cookson and post-McQuaid. They don't back up the conspiracy theory. Ben is working on that.

so no good and no stats?

 

[oldcrank]

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The real point is the sport is corrupt

And I thought the real point was that everything, absolutely everything, can be twisted and turned to support the prevailing argument that cycling is rotten, rotten to the core and nothing will convince some that there is anything good in it.

Can you show the good?

I think this is rather good, my friend:
https://twitter.com/UCI_Track/status/690484485251600384

 

[sniper]

Off-topic posts in the Clinic as Brian's last PR resort.
Who'd have thought.

 

[Farcanal]

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Can you show the good?

Could you see it with your blinkers on?

So no good?

We could do a trade. I show you the good when you show me your long requested stats proving Cookson has blocked use of the Cologne lab...

Or, you could save us both a lot of time here: do you accept that there is any good in cycling, or would I just be wasting my time and yours showing it to you?

Still no good to show us?

The attempt at diversion is not working. I think we are experiencing another vortexing........

Riding my bike is good, but that is not part of the sport. From top to bottom i see corruption, from the UCI president to soigneurs and all in between. Those who ingore the problems of the sport and dont speak out are as culpable as those creating the problems in the sport. I dont see how it is possible to race in pro cycling without dope and if you do race clean you dont last, before teams apply the pressure to dope or leave.

So back to you showing us the good........

I know it's rude to bust in on someone else's argument, but I'll do it anyway. If 'the sport' is intended to mean just pro road racing it would be stupid to pretend that a lot of bad stuff doesn't go on, only the percentage and degree can be argued about. If 'the sport' means all competitive cycling activity of course there is a lot of good, predominantly good, and it would be equally stupid to pretend there isn't.

The good thing about pro road racing to me (and to some extent elite track racing) is that it inspires many people, naive or not, to get their bikes out and participate at some level themselves. That has to be a good side effect and I believe that stimulus would be greatly reduced without the pro road scene.

That isn't to excuse nefarious activities, they have to be tackled, but coming from a country where cyclists have long been a persecuted minority, the increased activity and awareness is very important. Hopefully any future revelations about riders or teams behaviour will not disillusion people and drastically reduce participation because they will already have discovered how good the sport is for them, at their level.

 

[mrhender]

Take it easy from here on.

No more personal stuff.

And stick to the topic at hand.

Thank you.

 

[Benotti69]

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The real point is the sport is corrupt

And I thought the real point was that everything, absolutely everything, can be twisted and turned to support the prevailing argument that cycling is rotten, rotten to the core and nothing will convince some that there is anything good in it.

Can you show the good?

I think this is rather good, my friend:
https://twitter.com/UCI_Track/status/690484485251600384

No doubt in a the future Bridie will be outed, my friend.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Cookson on the WorldTour: as many of the best riders as possible in as many of the best races as possible.

That's a tagline to inspire

 

[fmk_RoI]

Elsewhere we seem to have gone back in time when, every time McQuaid opened his gob, someone had to explain that while he said one thing he really meant something else. Here'sCookson on the new three year licences:

"Three-year licence is still not a big deal, they have to be assessed on a yearly basis for economic vitality, for ethical criteria and sporting criteria as well. "

Annual sporting criteria is part of the current four year licence and not supposed to be part of the new three year licence (it's that that enables people to call a four year licence a one year licence).

 

[sniper]

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Cookson on the WorldTour: as many of the best riders as possible in as many of the best races as possible.

That's a tagline to inspire

I noticed Cookson will take every opportunity he can to sound as if he's really tough on Sky... as long as it's not about doping or dodgy tues or altitude natives, of course.

From your link:

Chris Froome’s absence from Tour Down Under “puzzling”, says Brian Cookson
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/chris-froomes-absence-from-tour-down-under-puzzling-says-brian-cookson-208357#ysbc2XIoPa9UUIDC.99

Cookson on Porte's 2 min penalisation in the Giro for illegal wheel change:

I think the decision was correct. It was unfortunately for Richie and his team but this is not a new rule, it’s been in the rulebook for decades.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cookson-defends-giro-ditalia-jury-justifies-the-ucis-attempts-to-withdraw-astanas-licence/

Cookson on Porte's motorhome:

“We have to look at the overall situation here; this would not be good for cycling, for the economy of the sport, and it’s not good for the image of the sport either, because suddenly you’ve got these temporary villages set somewhere where you don’t include the public,” he said.

“When they [Sky] first started the team that first year [2010], when the riders were warming up outside the team bus, they would put big screens up so the public couldn’t see the riders warming up. That was a real disincentive to the fans. The fans hated it because they couldn’t see the riders. It gave a very bad image of the team to the public.”
http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/07/news/the-motorhome-a-battle-between-modernizers-and-traditionalists_379000#m1X1RqSlgTFxg0E4.99

he really watches over the sport!

 

[sniper]

Someone recognize this description?

Just as with IAAF, UCI, ITF or any other majorly corrupted body, anyone who reaches the top of the greasy pole has long before sold their soul to get the backing to make it that far. Whether it is to vested sponsor interests, regional bodies, clubs/companies, or anyone who wants a favour done, that candidate is tainted.
http://backpagefootball.com/and-then-fantasy-fifa/100033/

 

[Benotti69]

I have called International sporting federations 'organised crime'.....

Seems others agree

It would be no exaggeration to say sport itself is being rescued by the police, the FBI, financial prosecutors, lawyers and investigators who have uncovered perfect-circle plots that would strain the imagination of the most ambitious crime novelist.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/12102746/Crisis-of-faith-will-continue-as-long-as-governing-bodies-police-themselves.html

 

[arthurvandelay]

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I have called International sporting federations 'organised crime'.....

Seems others agree

I certainly would agree with respect to soccer (football) and cycling. Perhaps athletics got there as well, they were just so more talented at keeping the dirt under the carpet. The glamor sport of the Olympics kept its stars looking very shiny indeed for a very long time: e.g Flo-jo, Carl Lewis, Bolt and perhaps many others. Interesting times for us fans.....

 

[sniper]

Bump

http://www.biciciclismo.com/es/positivo-de-alberto-gallego-caja-rural-rga-26-01-2016

Cookson going after the small fish again.

UCI's antidoping 'strategy' seems its based on three rules:
1. Be seen to be active in the fight against doping. Read: pop the occasional pro cyclist. But:
2. Do not pop any big names, regardless of nationality; and
3. Avoid popping anyone (no matter how small) from countries where we are currently trying to grow cycling.

The thing with a country such as Spain is that it has such a cycling tradition it can easily resist the impact of the odd positive rider.
And the impact of a positive Spanish rider (as long as it's not Contador) is not significant anyway, because the fans by and large acknowledge and accept the doping culture.
Valverde didn't have to do a Pathetic Millar to regain a solid fan base in Spain.

 

[sniper]

http://cyclingtips.com/2016/01/cookson-message-to-all-cheaters-we-will-catch-up-with-you-sooner-or-later/

Cookson: ‘Message to all cheaters is that we will catch up with you sooner or later’

Got a question for Brian:
Why are you so good at catching minor fish but so *** at busting the big boys, or do only juniors and crap riders cheat?

 

[Benotti69]

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http://cyclingtips.com/2016/01/cookson-message-to-all-cheaters-we-will-catch-up-with-you-sooner-or-later/

Cookson: ‘Message to all cheaters is that we will catch up with you sooner or later’

Got a question for Brian:
Why are you so good at catching minor fish but so *** at busting the big boys, or do only juniors and crap riders cheat?

"Message to all cheaters is that we will catch up with you sooner or later and give you our Swiss bank account details and if no lodgement a ban will follow"

 

[hrotha]

People with more resources being harder to catch hardly requires corrupt rule enforcers.

 

[Benotti69]

Why are the Belgians still competing? Why has Cookson not banned the team, ie Belgium National Sqaud? Because he is not the change he promised!

The circus keeps on rolling.

 

[sniper]

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People with more resources being harder to catch hardly requires corrupt rule enforcers.

that's not what Cookson says.

And not retesting old samples, dealing out dodgy TUEs, not using the Cologne lab viz. not testing for AICAR, not going after Froome's inhaler, silent post-retirement bans tucked away in pdf files (menchov), warning certain teams but not others about dodgy passport values (henao), etc., all of that requires corrupt rule enforcers. And that's just the stuff we know about. Must be the tip of the iceberg.

 

[sniper]

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Why are the Belgians still competing? Why has Cookson not banned the team, ie Belgium National Sqaud? Because he is not the change he promised!

The circus keeps on rolling.

Incidents like this remind us that the UCI is all about perception rather than reality.

Just like the Biopassport, OOC testing, and now bike xrays - these will never result in big names getting popped. They are there to create the appearance of an organization that is serious about testing, without actually being serious about testing.

The Vroomes, Derties, FCs of the cycling world are protected because of the $$ they bring in. They are not going to pop Froome after an MTF or FC after a classic.
And the riders at the top know that they are safe to dope and cheat.

Cookson doesn't care (just like McQuaid didn't care). He likes the good life, the free travel and the chance to be a groupie for Eddy (you can almost see his raging hard on in that selfie) because lets be honest back when he was an obscure councillor in Lancashire he was never getting a photo with Eddy. He gets to live the high life while throwing obscure, minor riders under the bus to make it look like they are making an effort.

The last GT rider to get popped was who? Menchov? after he'd retired and most people had forgotten about him.

The argument for cycling being clean is because no one is getting popped, well if you aren't trying to pop people then you are never going to pop anyone. Appearing clean is more important than being clean.

 

[sniper]

lots of common sense here

https://twitter.com/ffflow/status/694177746944131074

Dave Smith
‏@ffflow

If you cheat in cycling the UCI will go after you ruthlessly, as long as you're a 19 yr old woman - world tour teams, as you were...

Andy Waterman ‏@andywaterman 19 Min.vor 19 Minuten

.@ffflow it’s amazing how sport is being corrupted by a generation of evil teenage girls http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/commonwealthgames/10997563/Glasgow-2014-Nigerian-16-year-old-weightlifter-Chika-Amalaha-fails-drug-test-at-Commonwealth-Games.html …

Cyclisme Spandelles ‏@spandelles 1 Std.vor 1 Stunde

@ffflow I'd wager they've caught more significant people before and want to deter without embarrassing. Cheating trickles down, not up...