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Our unwillingness to do anything meaningful in March and April has made us much less free now.
You're correct. I didn't do anything meaningful in March or April. Virtually every business in my state was shut down.
Our unwillingness to do anything meaningful in March and April has made us much less free now.
A patently false statement. Very few businesses were closed in any state. I was still traveling on public transit to work and I was not alone.You're correct. I didn't do anything meaningful in March or April. Virtually every business in my state was shut down.
A patently false statement. Very few businesses were closed in any state. I was still traveling on public transit to work and I was not alone.
Bars were open the weekend before st pattys day. Last I checked that was in March.
My apologies. The second half of March and all of April. And why don't you tell me what businesses were open in my town after March 16th.A patently false statement. Very few businesses were closed in any state. I was still traveling on public transit to work and I was not alone.
Bars were open the weekend before st pattys day. Last I checked that was in March.
And yet it was widely known in February that community spread was only a matter of time. Look at the Messonier quote from page 2 of this thread before she was iced for speaking inconvenient truths.Except for China and parts of Northern Asia, nowhere in the world effected restrictions or lockdowns until mid to late March - Even New Zealand didn't start a lockdown to the 23rd of March.
I don't know where you live. Almost all restaurants were doing carryout in my state. Hospitals, grocery, convenience, meat packing, correctional facilities were all open. Public transit was operating. Flights were operating.My apologies. The second half of March and all of April. And why don't you tell me what businesses were open in my town after March 16th.
Not deflecting, just saying we all do it.Way to deflect - There has limited discussion about Australia in this forum - I'll be getting the Vaccine ASAP so I can have holidays and be able to travel.
C'mon now...he's pro-choice and for safe vaccines but that always gets vilified as the ad nuseam characterization of "anti-vaxer."RFK, is an anti-VAXer. If people like him had had more power in the past, we'd still be dealing with polio, and a host of other diseases.
I know you asked Nomad and not myself, but isn't that essentially what mass vaccination will accomplish if it doesn't prevent transmission?Nomad, do you think the appropriate course of action is to let everybody get infected?
Australia's lockdowns started about then (March 23). But they worked until the state of Victoria screwed up. Thankfully that disaster is now cleaned up too. Cold comfort for the families of over 800 people and destroyed businesses.Except for China and parts of Northern Asia, nowhere in the world effected restrictions or lockdowns until mid to late March - Even New Zealand didn't start a lockdown to the 23rd of March.
While he is quoting an older article when the FDA was under pressure from the WH for good news (of course they were spinning); it was also at a time when cooler heads were emphasizing the need for transparency in research so people would be comfortable getting vaccinated. But, of course you only need to follow a little down Kennedy's twitter feed to see (the Garrison cartoon says it all):C'mon now...he's pro-choice and for safe vaccines but that always gets vilified as the ad nuseam characterization of "anti-vaxer."
It's funny because he has sued the EPA for unethical practices with their collaboration with big oil & gas and since you mentioned "polluted air & water," I'm sure this is okay with you? He's also sued pharma on some medical drug side-effect issues and most people don't seem to be upset with that either. But when he goes after pharma on the vaccines then he becomes ostracized & condemned as an evil "anti-vaxer."
On the these Covid vaccines his primary concern is the rushing of the vaccines without long-term safety data, the fact that the vaccines won't stop transmission, the bias study design, and concern that the FDA is ignoring warnings about the safety of the vaccines:
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/robertkennedyjr/status/1328059385340375041
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FDA Whitewashes Warnings About Coronavirus Vaccine Trials
FDA officials ignored input from outside experts, including one doctor’s warning of the potential for “a total disaster.”childrenshealthdefense.org
They were until someone thought he could fund an effort with tax payer dollars, give it a up-tempo title and claim that he is literally curing the disease as part of a campaign strategy and Big Pharma became his favorite campaign "good news" source. The FDA pressure to embrace corporate news on the matter that Nomad mentions via Kennedy's tweets is part and parcel of the same initiative. Again; we are paying for the cure and commercial producers are in a race to be the first. You can call it Faster than the Speed of Money or Warp Speed. Either way the messaging has been mangled by the WH. Give them credit for something.This is true.
I remember a time when big pharma was despised. Funny that.
Yes. But that is a big 'if'.I know you asked Nomad and not myself, but isn't that essentially what mass vaccination will accomplish if it doesn't prevent transmission?
In the US we have a Constitution. The very first amendment talks about rights that can not be “stripped” from you or any other American.
Except they were and are.
It's funny because he has sued the EPA for unethical practices with their collaboration with big oil & gas and since you mentioned "polluted air & water," I'm sure this is okay with you?
I know you asked Nomad and not myself, but isn't that essentially what mass vaccination will accomplish if it doesn't prevent transmission?
And the cruise ship debacle in Sydney which was poorly handled and costly. Sending the boat to park at Port Kembla for a few weeks after the event made little sense except to maybe the NSW premier. Many people in Wollongong and the surrounds were none too happy about it and understandably edgy.Australia's lockdowns started about then (March 23). But they worked until the state of Victoria screwed up. Thankfully that disaster is now cleaned up too. Cold comfort for the families of over 800 people and destroyed businesses.
This post popped into my head while doing yardwork. I agree with you that many/most people are too __ (fill in the blank) to be informed, and IMO that's sad. I do think that many/most just want the easiest answer, and even easier solution that's why an anti mask tweet works so well: less than ten words to read and no change to their lives.You are looking at this as a scientist. Your view on the legitimacy of the science is irrelevant because it is far removed from the common experience. The man on the street is not reading peer reviewed publications then forming his options based on those. He is getting his information filtered through a media that has proven it cannot be trusted. The media will use whatever sources align with its agenda. By the time a consensus emerges, battle lines have been drawn and there is no walking back.
The situation we have with covid-19 is a natural result of the media's destruction of its own credibility. It should not be surprising the populace is warring over what to an objective outsider would seem to be easily determined truths. This does not bode well for the future; if during a pandemic people cannot agree on important facts then what hope is there during regular times for evaluating facts needed for basic political decisions. We are so F-ed.
Australia's lockdowns started about then (March 23). But they worked until the state of Victoria screwed up. Thankfully that disaster is now cleaned up too. Cold comfort for the families of over 800 people and destroyed businesses.