Coronavirus: How dangerous a threat?

[Jagartrott]

It's all well and good to say going for a walk is harmless and that it should be allowed. But then everybody might go out for a "walk". It's impossible to enforce any kind of lockdown that way.
Similarly, it's all well and good to say you can't infect anyone or be infected by riding alone. But then you might crash and put further strain on an already overstretched healthcare system. Perhaps even an ICU.

Just suck it up and work out at home.

Well, our medical experts strongly disagree with you. Being outside, especially in nature, has multiple very tanglible benefits on health, physically and psychologically. Immunity is higher if you're fit and healthy, lower if you're anxious. Also think of domestic violence flaring (and putting people in hospital). So the small chance of being infected outside is more than compensated by the benefits. This is why the advice in Belgium is explicitly to go outside now and then - of course adhering to social distance rules.

 

[hrotha]

Please. You wrote what you wrote. Own it.

Are you trolling me at this point? This is what I wrote:

Similarly, it's all well and good to say you can't infect anyone or be infected by riding alone. But then you might crash and put further strain on an already overstretched healthcare system. Perhaps even an ICU.

Nothing at all about an increased likelihood of crashing. Learn to read?

Well, our medical experts strongly disagree with you. Being outside, especially in nature, has multiple very tanglible benefits on health, physically and psychologically. Immunity is higher if you're fit and healthy, lower if you're anxious. Also think of domestic violence flaring (and putting people in hospital). So the small chance of being infected outside is more than compensated by the benefits. This is why the advice in Belgium is explicitly to go outside now and then - of course adhering to social distance rules.

And our medical experts disagree with yours. We'll see when Belgium is further along the curve.

 

[del1962]

Does either intense exercise and excessive length of exercise make you more susceptinle to picking the virus up,?

I wondering if it is best to ride fairly easy

 

[aphronesis]

Are you trolling me at this point? This is what I wrote:

Nothing at all about an increased likelihood of crashing. Learn to read?

And our medical experts disagree with yours. We'll see when Belgium is further along the curve.

No, I’m not trolling you. You issued a curatorial edict and can’t acknowledge it. You specifically stated that crashing as an outcome of cycling would burden the medical structure. So avoid cycling like the virus. Tell me that’s not what your post indicated. Stick to racing diagnostics if you can’t be civil, generous and honest.

Get a grip

 

[8472]

Regarding masks: the only reason the leaders in the west were advocating against the wearing of masks were due to mask shortages. Numerous studies and worldwide evidence have already provided concrete proof that wearing masks protect against airborne particles, even those as small as viral particles. This study shows that a standard surgical mask protects against 89% of viral particles (bacteriophages) that were 0.02 microns in size (5x smaller than the coronavirus that are 0.1 microns).
https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/
Make your own masks from old t-shirts

But if you then take an unaffected and affected person, and make sure that they were both wearing masks, this dual protection rises to a massive 98.8% of viral particles (that are 5x smaller than the coronavirus) being blocked. That’s why masks were made compulsory in China, and is one of the main reasons why Asian countries with high rates of people wearing masks have managed to pretty much flatten the curve.

Some more medical info: standard surgical masks only have a single core filter layer whereas N95 masks have multiple such layers, which provides significantly greater protection, and based on the above math, makes the risk of viral transmission become almost negligible. The reason for why these masks are said to only filter out particles of 0.5-5 microns in size, whereas coronavirus viral size is 0.1 microns, is because viral particles are unable to exist independently, requiring droplets found in sneezes and coughs to be transmitted and these droplets are roughly ~5 microns, just enough to be filtered by these masks.

So wear a mask, make your own if you have to. They DO help (significantly), even if your country’s mostly inept leaders are telling you not to. Not only does it protect yourself but also those around you if you are an asymptomatic carrier.

 

[Koronin]

8472, At least in the US it appeared more of a shortage issue than anything else about not wanting people to buy masks. Many areas are currently asking people who can sew to make masks for medical personnel.

 

[Red Rick]

There's so many experts and while there's consensus on a lot of things you'll always be able to find one that supports your view.

I'm inclined to say restricting from walks/bike rides while keeping distance is a little too extreme, though it does make the distance thing harder to enforce.

You can't stop everything unhealthy that could potentially strain the health system more. People still overeat, smoke or do dumb *** at home.

Meanwhile, #new cases not increasing that quickly in Italy anyore. Are they at full testing capacity or is there something another reason for that? Guess it depends a lot on distribution of cases and testing?

 

[hrotha]

No, I’m not trolling you. You issued a curatorial edict and can’t acknowledge it. You specifically stated that crashing as an outcome of cycling would burden the medical structure. So avoid cycling like the virus. Tell me that’s not what your post indicated. Stick to racing diagnostics if you can’t be civil, generous and honest.

Get a grip

I said you might crash, then you said "Wait: suddenly because there’s a health epidemic the (already low) odds of a major crash get multiplied? On empty roads?", then I denied saying crashes were more likely, and you decided to go on an unrelated tangent and throw a hissy fit. And you have the gall to speak about being "civil, generous and honest"?

That having to be hospitalized for any reason adds to the burden of an already overstretched and almost overwhelmed healthcare system is an obvious fact.

 

[aphronesis]

Oh, so now you’re projecting (“hissy”) your anxiety onto me as well. Thanks dear.

Out here in the actual world cyclists and cycling advocates recognize the activity as a paramount means of dealing with the current situation along with other global issues of pollution and resources. That your contribution to the discourse brought up crashes speaks to your state and nothing else.

Please stop acting stupid. It’s disheartening. Let it go

 

[Koronin]

Here's some numbers from New York:
45,000 (plus) people tested
10,356 infected
3,245 new cases
15% hospitalized


New York appears to currently have the best amount of testing available currently.

 

[aphronesis]

It’s over 4000 now

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/21/shutting-down-city-that-never-sleeps/?arc404=true

 

[Koronin]

It’s over 4000 now

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/21/shutting-down-city-that-never-sleeps/?arc404=true

Those numbers I posted were from about 2-3 hours ago. However, it does show they are getting testing together there. They expected numbers to go up as testing ramped up.

 

[jmdirt]

Regarding masks: the only reason the leaders in the west were advocating against the wearing of masks were due to mask shortages. Numerous studies and worldwide evidence have already provided concrete proof that wearing masks protect against airborne particles, even those as small as viral particles. This study shows that a standard surgical mask protects against 89% of viral particles (bacteriophages) that were 0.02 microns in size (5x smaller than the coronavirus that are 0.1 microns).
https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/
Make your own masks from old t-shirts

But if you then take an unaffected and affected person, and make sure that they were both wearing masks, this dual protection rises to a massive 98.8% of viral particles (that are 5x smaller than the coronavirus) being blocked. That’s why masks were made compulsory in China, and is one of the main reasons why Asian countries with high rates of people wearing masks have managed to pretty much flatten the curve.

Some more medical info: standard surgical masks only have a single core filter layer whereas N95 masks have multiple such layers, which provides significantly greater protection, and based on the above math, makes the risk of viral transmission become almost negligible. The reason for why these masks are said to only filter out particles of 0.5-5 microns in size, whereas coronavirus viral size is 0.1 microns, is because viral particles are unable to exist independently, requiring droplets found in sneezes and coughs to be transmitted and these droplets are roughly ~5 microns, just enough to be filtered by these masks.

So wear a mask, make your own if you have to. They DO help (significantly), even if your country’s mostly inept leaders are telling you not to. Not only does it protect yourself but also those around you if you are an asymptomatic carrier.

Let's say that we are infected/contagious, but not sick so we go shopping and sneeze or cough, how much C19 just landed on the canned beans? How many others will now get C19 from grabbing a can of beans? If we just had something covering our nose and mouth that could have stopped at least some of the spray. So to help the medical community we won't use masks, but we could use tube style products that we already have like Buff or SweatVac* to cover our mouth and nose when we are in the store. It will stop at least some of the spray (maybe all), and therefore infect less people.

*I'm not trying to sell either of these brands, I am just using them as examples because they are well known. The generic versions cost much less and would work similarly.

 

[Koronin]

Let's say that we are infected/contagious, but not sick so we go shopping and sneeze or cough, how much C19 just landed on the canned beans? How many others will now get C19 from grabbing a can of beans? If we just had something covering our nose and mouth that could have stopped at least some of the spray. So to help the medical community we won't use masks, but we could use tube style products that we already have like Buff or SweatVac* to cover our mouth and nose when we are in the store. It will stop at least some of the spray (maybe all), and therefore infect less people.

*I'm not trying to sell either of these brands, I am just using them as examples because they are well known. The generic versions cost much less and would work similarly.

Guess all of us with either sinus or allergy problems might want to consider using something as well.

 

[RedheadDane]

I think, generally speaking, you're adviced to sneeze and cough in your elbow.

 

[Red Rick]

Are you trolling me at this point? This is what I wrote:

Nothing at all about an increased likelihood of crashing. Learn to read?

And our medical experts disagree with yours. We'll see when Belgium is further along the curve.

Oh, so now you’re projecting (“hissy”) your anxiety onto me as well. Thanks dear.

Out here in the actual world cyclists and cycling advocates recognize the activity as a paramount means of dealing with the current situation along with other global issues of pollution and resources. That your contribution to the discourse brought up crashes speaks to your state and nothing else.

Please stop acting stupid. It’s disheartening. Let it go

Let's keep this civil please

 

[Unchained]

No matter what the numbers are in the US it's insignificant to any overall conversation about Covid-19 in the US or globally. The U.S. has no testing so we have no numbers. The U.S. officials go on to broadcast that food and other critical supplies are available,completely out of sync with reality. The U.S. carries enormous personal debt loads so the monthly nut of most households will be almost unaffected by a $1000-1500 dollar "stimulus" check .
The big outcomes are yet to be realized..w constant drumbeat about private enterprise partnerships being a bizarre hack on reality. The U.S. system is private period. The hospital bed capacity was @1 million and cruise ships and US Navy hospital ships are some form of cruel crude joke.
We have problems in Crested Butte Colorado..what was or could be the emergency medical infrastructure in similar places?
Remote ski towns are set up for injuries consistent w bar fights and broken arms and knees from snow and mountain bike accidents..not pandemic anything.
The U.S. needs to swallow her pride..reach out immediately for foreign help..Korean and health officials from Singapore to start to critically advise on how to do things.
Do not reinvent wheels already available.
Long term.
Why were @40% of American kids getting vital meals at school instead of home?
Why was remote video medicine not the everyday norm instead of an emergency essential?
We have known we had a dirty unhoused ,no medical attention population and during a national emergency,we discovered their problems are our problems? Come on unhealthy sick people of any kind demanded more attention and action..homeless life conditions have been described many ways..here in the Southwest many communities begrudgingly gave hand washing stations and porta potty units after strains of hepatitis were found prevalent.
And now we are in a state of emergency and business ethics are being debated about stock buy backs, stock purges and executive bonus checks.
Straight forward questions..if the government gives lifeline payments to companies - corporations will there be legal assurances that the money is not pocketed by executives and stock holders..I think it's a no brainer,but America is arguing it out. It's not cut and dry within the culture.
We don't have testing,don't know scientifically where or who is a hot spot. Don't have widely available food and fortification..
Even milk.
My boss is 81. Suffered a minor-medium grade stroke on Jan27th. I should not have to go out for 3 days,3 separate shopping trips to try and buy him a dozen eggs,orange juice and lactate free milk..ridiculous.
if you need handwipes in San Diego you are f--ked.I don't care what the feds are belching about everything is fine

 

[GVFTA]

We have problems in Crested Butte Colorado..

Here is a source of your problem in regards to Covid. A medical professional in a very small town, sick for weeks, going about her daily life. Not putting any blame on her. I'm sure she feels terrible. Just a great example of why self isolation is necessary.

A Crested Butte woman came home from Hawaii with sniffles. Then she found out it was coronavirus.

Lisa Merck was on her way back from Hawaii to Crested Butte on Feb. 19 when she started developing common-cold-like symptoms. There were a few aches in her neck as well, but she had been carrying a backpack on her tropical excursion with her husband. She chalked it up to traveling.

coloradosun.com

 

[nevele neves]

Wait: suddenly because there’s a health epidemic the (already low) odds of a major crash get multiplied? On empty roads?

at least it might reduce the chances of some mad motor vehicle operator from running down cyclist? No?

 

[nevele neves]

No matter what the numbers are in the US it's insignificant to any overall conversation about Covid-19 in the US or globally. The U.S. has no testing so we have no numbers. The U.S. officials go on to broadcast that food and other critical supplies are available,completely out of sync with reality. The U.S. carries enormous personal debt loads so the monthly nut of most households will be almost unaffected by a $1000-1500 dollar "stimulus" check .
The big outcomes are yet to be realized..w constant drumbeat about private enterprise partnerships being a bizarre hack on reality. The U.S. system is private period. The hospital bed capacity was @1 million and cruise ships and US Navy hospital ships are some form of cruel crude joke.
We have problems in Crested Butte Colorado..what was or could be the emergency medical infrastructure in similar places?
Remote ski towns are set up for injuries consistent w bar fights and broken arms and knees from snow and mountain bike accidents..not pandemic anything.
The U.S. needs to swallow her pride..reach out immediately for foreign help..Korean and health officials from Singapore to start to critically advise on how to do things.
Do not reinvent wheels already available.
Long term.
Why were @40% of American kids getting vital meals at school instead of home?
Why was remote video medicine not the everyday norm instead of an emergency essential?
We have known we had a dirty unhoused ,no medical attention population and during a national emergency,we discovered their problems are our problems? Come on unhealthy sick people of any kind demanded more attention and action..homeless life conditions have been described many ways..here in the Southwest many communities begrudgingly gave hand washing stations and porta potty units after strains of hepatitis were found prevalent.
And now we are in a state of emergency and business ethics are being debated about stock buy backs, stock purges and executive bonus checks.
Straight forward questions..if the government gives lifeline payments to companies - corporations will there be legal assurances that the money is not pocketed by executives and stock holders..I think it's a no brainer,but America is arguing it out. It's not cut and dry within the culture.
We don't have testing,don't know scientifically where or who is a hot spot. Don't have widely available food and fortification..
Even milk.
My boss is 81. Suffered a minor-medium grade stroke on Jan27th. I should not have to go out for 3 days,3 separate shopping trips to try and buy him a dozen eggs,orange juice and lactate free milk..ridiculous.
if you need handwipes in San Diego you are f--ked.I don't care what the feds are belching about everything is fine

This post is so political maybe give it a break?

 

[Keram]

Regarding the mask. I dont know if it is real protection but in Slovakia we leveled up from 0- to maybe 80-90% of population wearing them in week. We are like in asian country right now. In public transport it is mandatory. In supermarkets very few people are without mask. But there is lack of it here as well. Lot of people made it home from 100% cotton and so on. Politicians are going like role models
https://img.projektn.sk/wp-static/2020/03/SIM_0729_1.jpg?fm=jpg&q=85&w=976

But I am sceptical with geting it under control here. We degraded our mobility by 1/3 according to data and numbers are good right now but we test critically low numbers so we have low number of cases.

 

[nevele neves]

Regarding masks: the only reason the leaders in the west were advocating against the wearing of masks were due to mask shortages. Numerous studies and worldwide evidence have already provided concrete proof that wearing masks protect against airborne particles, even those as small as viral particles. This study shows that a standard surgical mask protects against 89% of viral particles (bacteriophages) that were 0.02 microns in size (5x smaller than the coronavirus that are 0.1 microns).
https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/
Make your own masks from old t-shirts

But if you then take an unaffected and affected person, and make sure that they were both wearing masks, this dual protection rises to a massive 98.8% of viral particles (that are 5x smaller than the coronavirus) being blocked. That’s why masks were made compulsory in China, and is one of the main reasons why Asian countries with high rates of people wearing masks have managed to pretty much flatten the curve.

Some more medical info: standard surgical masks only have a single core filter layer whereas N95 masks have multiple such layers, which provides significantly greater protection, and based on the above math, makes the risk of viral transmission become almost negligible. The reason for why these masks are said to only filter out particles of 0.5-5 microns in size, whereas coronavirus viral size is 0.1 microns, is because viral particles are unable to exist independently, requiring droplets found in sneezes and coughs to be transmitted and these droplets are roughly ~5 microns, just enough to be filtered by these masks.

So wear a mask, make your own if you have to. They DO help (significantly), even if your country’s mostly inept leaders are telling you not to. Not only does it protect yourself but also those around you if you are an asymptomatic carrier.

It was not just the "leaders in the west" There are plenty of medical and scientific resources stating the information clearly. If you are allowed to make such a broad uneducated statement I can make this statement. Leaders in the Far East specifically China deceived the world and failed to act on information that could have prevented most of this pandemic.

Right about now I'm not going to take any evidence from China as prof of anything. They are liars.

In Japan typically the people who wear masks are folks who are sick already. Some things have changed but for the society that still mostly remains the same.
https://japantoday.com/category/fea...gical-masks-its-not-always-for-health-reasons

 

[djpbaltimore]

Interesting thread about some the dark arts of medical research.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1241138975802359813

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/jpogue1/status/1241138975802359813

 

[nevele neves]

Interesting thread about some the dark arts of medical research.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1241138975802359813

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/jpogue1/status/1241138975802359813

So its no good? The frenchmen in question should STFU?
No actual ideas yourself?

Why does the southern hemisphere have lower rate of infections?

I get that a scientist have to have proof and not hope but why poop on hope? Scientist and doctors hope all the time. Or does your approach to this have to do with an underlying dislike for something else?

 

[Unchained]

If top..the top U.S. Official(s) say that tests are readily available make sure that is factual.
if US official(s) say that there is a malaria drug(s) approved,make sure the statements are factual .
if a person who is scared,a person in a risk group,a person serving food to the elderly wants a test, make sure one is available..on the spot (Singapore,S. Korea style) if not within a couple of days is the only reasonable time frame.

Ensure that politics is as far removed from the pandemic strategy as possible. Never ever should either party announce that they plan to meet amongst themselves by party delineation.. Never ever ever should one party denounce the other as evil or misguided while scrambling to solve a deadly dilemma.
If you think that a virus what color flag you fly,your religion,status or who or how you have sex..that may be part of an explanation for how we got such a late start.
And again, omit anything political,the physical and scientific facts say the US got a (very) late start.
And again,no matter what party,no matter the sex or status of the messenger, if that town crier says we have tests,,he she or it is fabricating the message. You can also interject bliss, that telling people tests exist may have a calming effect on a nervous population. That hypotheses would hold water given the fact that huge chunks of the population is not interested in fact or science.
There was recently,within the last 7 days a call for calm about the lack of testing, and of all places, W. Virginia was used as a(the) example for a waste of time and money. At the time it was said,don't waste resources on W.Virginia,they don't have any positive persons. That illogical message lasted less than 48 hrs.
Motana,Wyoming,the Dakotas..no place is safe,every place needs wide spread testing.period.
Funny that the Invisible Man would get released in theaters..this is not invisible at all..you can't see it w binoculars or reading glasses but it's completely visible..
You need scientists looking for it's existence and other critical factors in its spread in the US population.
1 thing absolutely that nobody needs..college kids dancing to some si la ves song on spring break. College kids should not be asked to use restraint from patronizing bars,restaurants and night clubs.
* And yes we know that the Carolinas and S.Padre island heavily rely on Spring break cash influx..and yes Florida will suffer without kids doing shots and dancing in area bars..duh.
We need tests not T&A to save the economy and American lives