Coronavirus: How dangerous a threat?

[Unchained]

Mike Lee May Have Infected Senate Judiciary Committee Members With COVID-19

The committee is still moving forward with a confirmation hearing for Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett on Oct. 12.

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[Unchained]

White House Officials Defy Mask Guidelines Even As They Address Trump's Coronavirus

They still don't get it, said Connecticut Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy, who called the lack of caution "disturbing."

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[Unchained]

Trump Held Fundraiser, Mingled With Crowd Hours Before Revealing COVID-19 Diagnosis

The president's New Jersey fundraiser has prompted Gov. Phil Murphy to initiate contact tracing and urge attendees to get tested for the coronavirus.

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[Unchained]

Kellyanne Conway Tests Positive For COVID-19

"My symptoms are mild (light cough) and I’m feeling fine,” Trump's former White House counselor tweeted.

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[Koronin]

Apparently it's now being reported that trump is ALSO being given Remdsivir. Um, they are giving a bunch of different treatments with no idea how they interact to each.

 

[yaco]

What I look for when I see the pics is the lack of hand sanitizer - It seemed to be a touchy feely gathering, so likely it was spread by touching and hands to face - Wearing masks probably mitigates the spread but you still have to thoroughly wash your hands.

 

[hrotha]

What I look for when I see the pics is the lack of hand sanitizer - It seemed to be a touchy feely gathering, so likely it was spread by touching and hands to face - Wearing masks probably mitigates the spread but you still have to thoroughly wash your hands.

They might have read "we initially overestimated the impact of surface contamination" as "don't need to wash our hands, we smart".

 

[Unchained]

Whatever it takes to get Trump healthy..they can give him bat blood for all I care. The U.S.is in a constant state of confusion and chaos and stabilizing the President's health is a number one priority.
The real problem with American mental outlook is ethics. If Trumps sudden,but easily anticipated illness creates an even higher vaccine pitch than before we are in real danger, not only North America but the world. Currently we have no way to know who is experimenting with vaccines and to what degree. What even a commoner should understand is that mass deployment of an unproven and possibly deadly half baked vaccine could certainly mutate into something far far worse than what we are currently experiencing as a planet. Trump before being hospitalized has made scientifically suicidal statements about using anything and everything on anybody without even the achievement of basic testing norms. We really need to know how each of the developing vaccines will effect large groups,old,children,by race and sex,
I personally don't see extensive danger in giving a 74yo obese man some Soilent Green or whatever if it will calm world nerves but giving unproven vaccines to population masses is obviously dangerous. I hope that this White House medical emergency will give people pause rather than push them further to act out on an even higher risk trajectory like they were..@2 days ago!!

 

[Unchained]

This is not an Oingo Boingo song and weird science should only be done on a global scale with Mentos and soda bottles..yes we had people eating Tide Pods..the only thing that can make everything obviously worse is if official US policy is to start injecting disinfectant and other crazy things in a new state of emergency..we saw what non science did,to our health,mental and physical,to our economy,to our national attitude..
we should go scientific this round

 

[Oldermanish]

Just finished watching the astounding disinformation presentation by the WH Medical staff. It sounded like a script that DT himself would have drafted....if he bothered to read more. Generally no real information on his actual condition was confirmed other than they have applied some of the treatments mentioned by the really helpful and smart people on this forum.
That, and that they started applying them the day before the debate! Their time-line slip up indicating that Trump did, in fact know he was infected and still went about his business with no warning or precautions to bystanders is now his biggest problem. I suspect that he had hoped to appear asymptomatic and not tell anyone as long as he could get away with it. Chris Christie's debate prep and his admission of C19 positive today could push that line out even further.
Maybe UnChained is on to something and in a Weird Science way Trump has settled the voodoo discussion for good.
Weirder and weirder.

 

[djpbaltimore]

Weird is right. Funny how he turned himself into a pretzel trying to not admit that Trump got supplemental oxygen (which is now reported). The timeline given asks more questions than it answers.

Well, Regeneron just got applied on Donald Trump. Seems like you don't do that unless you think it's absolutely safe and/or the situation is somewhat worrying.

Increasingly looks like the latter. A drop in oxygen levels is a flashing siren.

What I look for when I see the pics is the lack of hand sanitizer - It seemed to be a touchy feely gathering, so likely it was spread by touching and hands to face - Wearing masks probably mitigates the spread but you still have to thoroughly wash your hands.

They clearly placed way too much faith in their tests. They had to have been advised about the limits of testing by the people in labcoats, but apparently that fell on deaf ears.

 

[Oldermanish]

Weird is right. Funny how he turned himself into a pretzel trying to not admit that Trump got supplemental oxygen (which is now reported). The timeline given asks more questions than it answers.
Increasingly looks like the latter. A drop in oxygen levels is a flashing siren.

They clearly placed way too much faith in their tests. They had to have been advised about the limits of testing by the people in labcoats, but apparently that fell on deaf ears.

Moments ago there was an update on Foxnews from the labcoats.....they made a mistake and meant the 72 hours includes today. There were 12 doctors/nurses that made the original announcement 1/2 hour late, they arranged themselves for dramatic effect and they couldn't get the timeline correct? Even the Fox newscaster had a skeptical expression when he relayed the update.

 

[djpbaltimore]

The unsigned memo that misspelled the name of the drug company was not convincing to everybody?

 

[Unchained]

In the cascade that is life..the sooner we get back to where we were a week ago,the faster America can pursue it's patriotic path towards healing it's citizens,
There is history to reporting on the health of the President of the United States, Trump may have gone full Clint Eastwood before and laughing off everything,declaring that caution and concerns were for sissy boys, not sure at this point why any secrets should surround Donald getting oxygen therapy,it does not make him tougher or less of a man to receive oxygen treatments.
.it will also not make me think less of him by admitting that his criticism of similar treatments , as over the top,unnecessary and done as an overdramatic reaction to a harmless virus, treatment he claimed was given to patients previously unnecessarily and to harm him politically..
Many of the nebulized steroids \ bronchial dilation drug use techniques developed will surely help Trump..
I was always hoping that transparency would have become the norm, if for no other reason than public confusion..
oxygen therapy is good..

 

[Koronin]

With all the contradictions they are making on their own do they actually expect anyone to believe any of it?

 

[Merckx index]

they started applying them the day before the debate! Their time-line slip up indicating that Trump did, in fact know he was infected and still went about his business with no warning or precautions to bystanders is now his biggest problem.

It was reported that both candidates were supposed to be tested before the debate, but Trump was late, and missed the test. His team, i think, reassured everyone that it was OK, he had tested negative the day before. Except it was also reported that he had missed that test, or at least had not yet been informed of the results. Biden is not yet in the clear, though every day he tests negative increases his chances.

Imagine if both of the two 70+ year old male candidates were to come down with a serious case of COVID a month before the election. Harris vs. Pence, anyone?

P.S. - Gotta say, that video Trump posted before or while going to the hospital was the most human-looking I can ever recall seeing him. No us vs. them, but thanked everyone for their well wishing.

 

[movingtarget]

With all the contradictions they are making on their own do they actually expect anyone to believe any of it?

It seems not, the conspiracy theorists are in full swing, some saying that Trump is faking and QAnon are finding special meaning in Trump's latest video. Okaaay then.

 

[movingtarget]

As clear as mud :

Conflicting reports raise concerns about severity of Trump's Covid condition

Confusion reigns and fears grow as White House doctor’s reassurances are followed by a report that ‘next 48 hours will be critical’ for Trump

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[dusty red roads]

I'm not sure about this one - I thought I remember reading quite awhile back they didn't find this drug all that effective. But outgoing PM was hyping it. Old boys club kickbacks or maybe it's working now? Hmmmmm. Does anyone remember?

Gov't already planning approval of antiviral drug Avigan in November

The Japanese government is already planning to approve the antiviral drug Avigan as a COVID-19 treatment in November even before its developer has filed for regulatory review, government sources said Saturday. Under that plan, the review of the influenza drug Avigan as a new coronavirus...

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[Koronin]

I'm not sure about this one - I thought I remember reading quite awhile back they didn't find this drug all that effective. But outgoing PM was hyping it. Old boys club kickbacks or maybe it's working now? Hmmmmm. Does anyone remember?

Gov't already planning approval of antiviral drug Avigan in November

The Japanese government is already planning to approve the antiviral drug Avigan as a COVID-19 treatment in November even before its developer has filed for regulatory review, government sources said Saturday. Under that plan, the review of the influenza drug Avigan as a new coronavirus...

japantoday.com

The only thing I remember about it is that it's a Japanese flu drug that Japan was trying for Covid and found it may help patients with mild symptoms get over it faster. I haven't heard anything about it in months, other than it was still under going a lot of trials. It's possible it does help those with mild symptoms recover faster. However, it's an already fully approved drug in Japan for the flu. So it would be like they were approving something that wasn't already on the market there. I never saw anything about what any of the full trial results said.

 

[djpbaltimore]

The trials took forever because the low prevalence of Covid19 in Japan. An apt comparison might be theraflu. It helps a little, but is not a game changer. The recovery time was 11 days instead of 14.

 

[Nomad]

In the first place, a wide variety of approaches are being used to develop vaccines, and not all of them are gene based. Moderna and Imperial are developing mRNA vaccines, also CureVac in Germany, which he may be referring to, but Oxford/AstraZeneca, e.g., is not, unless you count using a viral vector, which is used for many flu vaccines.

In the second place, saying that we don’t know how gene-based vaccines work is ridiculous. We don’t know all the possible side effects, but that’s true of any vaccine. We do know that to the extent vaccines like this work, they do so by producing viral proteins that can stimulate an immune response. Could they have other, unintended effects that could cause problems? Of course, which is why there are Phase 3 trials.

Dr. Bhakdi is concerned with the side effects as well as believing any vaccine is not going to effective against coronaviruses.

Here's one of his interesting presentations on the subject:

"Immunity & Immunization by Prof Sucharit Bhakdi"

View: https://youtu.be/4uo2KGiSjrw


States T-cell cross immunity from T-killer/helper cells can last for years and protects far longer than any antibodies from coronaviruses could. Believes ~85% of the German population is already sufficiently protected against Covid-19 from previous exposures to coronaviruses (he discusses the risks with the gene-based vaccines toward the end of the lecture).

The other problem is the current clinical trials have excluded many of demographics that have a much higher risk of death & complications from the virus (i.e. elderly, comorbidities). For example, you referenced Moderna; on the ClinicalTrials.gov site their exclusion criteria excludes those over 55, obesity and those with significant medical or psychiatric conditions such as respiratory conditions (e.g, COPD, asthma), heart disease including previous coronary surgery, autoimmune diseases, etc.

So, testing these vaccines on healthy younger people isn't going to determine if they're safe and effective for the target group that needs and is demanding protection.

 

[Nomad]

Apparently it's now being reported that trump is ALSO being given Remdsivir. Um, they are giving a bunch of different treatments with no idea how they interact to each.

Mel Gibson was treated with Remdsivir back in April when he was hospitalized for a week with Covid:

Mel Gibson had coronavirus in April, was treated with remdesivir: report

Mel Gibson tested positive for the coronavirus in April, when he spent a week in the hospital and was treated with remdesivir.His spokesperson revealed the news on Thursday, according to The New Yo…

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[hrotha]

Isn't testing the vaccines on healthy younger people what they do in the early stages before moving on to more general tests once they're more confident that the vaccine should be safe?

 

[Unchained]

America's obesity epidemic reaches record high, new report says

Almost 40 percent of American adults and nearly 20 percent of adolescents are obese, the highest rate ever recorded, according to a new report.

www.nbcnews.com

Why are Americans Obese? | PublicHealth.org

Learn more about the public health implications of obesity. Discover the biological, nutritional and psychological reasons Americans are obese.

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Obesity in the United States - Wikipedia

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I think that many components of Nomad's post are the issues in the US. The complexities of our health system and overall health condition is dire, an emergency response is overwhelmingly needed. Covid is only a compliment to the disease arsenal assaulting America.. Obesity is still an epidemic,and within 11-16 years millions more Americans will age out of traditional workforce,and so will their health care benefits..We better get a good pandemic response baseline established because our path without pandemic is problematic,but if other health crisis of scale happen again,and they will,things will be much worse.
It is probably not popular to say that America has a preexisting condition,being fat, but Covid should speed up the conversation..

https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2020-02-27/us-obesity-rate-passes-40-percent