Coronavirus: How dangerous a threat?

[Nomad]

Another study on natural immunity:

"COVID survivors with natural immunity at low risk for reinfection or severe symptoms, study finds."

COVID survivors with natural immunity at low risk for reinfection or severe symptoms, study finds

Reinfections had 90% lower odds of resulting in hospitalization or death, The New England Journal of Medicine study found.

justthenews.com

Reinfection had 90% lower odds of resulting in hospitalizations, NEJM study found.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2108120

 

[Unchained]

Another study on natural immunity:

"COVID survivors with natural immunity at low risk for reinfection or severe symptoms, study finds."

COVID survivors with natural immunity at low risk for reinfection or severe symptoms, study finds

Reinfections had 90% lower odds of resulting in hospitalization or death, The New England Journal of Medicine study found.

justthenews.com

Reinfection had 90% lower odds of resulting in hospitalizations, NEJM study found.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2108120

this is excellent news..and the studies showing how long it will take for the United States,the world to get natural immunized..?

Johns Hopkins Doc Says Vaccine Mandates 'Ruin Lives' - And Natural Immunity Is 27 Times Better Than Jab

Maybe it's time for the Biden administration to set aside all of the politics and actually look at the science.

www.westernjournal.com

in some places less than 1% of the population have been vaccinated..so natural immunity for tuberculosis,AIDS, mumps,measles,rubella,typhoid,polio..they are all probably going to work sooner or later.
it is fantastic that the human body never stops amazing us..truly fantastic, but in modern life if natural immunity can't be achieved for car accidents or cancer, logic, like in any test,do the easy stuff first and then proceed to the most difficult,time consuming,complicated..waiting for nature is cool,she will probably filter our air and water, she will probably solve the age old turtle,deer,chicken,cow and horse crossing the road wo being crushed by an 18 wheeler.
.all involved have different levels of understanding and resolve. Don't know for sure,I seldom ask dead deer if they regret crossing when they did and why. But for human beings,billions of us relying on the next guy..@330,000+ million Americans can let the world say,that's done let's move on to more difficult places..

Vermont Coronavirus Vaccination Progress

How is Vermont progressing in its mission to vaccinate the population? See how many people are fully vaccinated state-wide and parse the numbers by demographics.

usafacts.org

US Coronavirus vaccine tracker

Each state has a different plan — and different challenges — in distributing vaccines. Learn more about who is getting vaccinated by parsing the data by age, sex and race.

usafacts.org

So depending on the starting data of the pandemic you choose..I think we have been at this for @22 months..how many years until we are a herd? I can't move to Vermont

 

[Ultrairon]

I think what you wrote before is enlightening to what you want to talk about and that is not..Covid, how dangerous is it?
there is no argument,no counter point to this, none.

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

How many times are you going to link the same info. The CDC is a better source of information for the country you are highlighting. That worldometer website is not as good as going to the countries health and disease government sites. In my opinion.

Eventually most places in the world will handle covid as the flu is handled.

 

[Jagartrott]

LOL did you see the numbers during the past summer? Graphs are out there even in the link I posted. Delta is still there in Houston. Nothing has changed even the vax rate is the same. You are in Houston then you should know. I don't think magic is involved at all, I do think the mask and distance mandates have little to do with the waves of cases we see.

In the summer, people lock themselves in enclosed, air-conditioned rooms in the US South - i.e. much more risky regarding virus build-up. When temperatures invite natural ventilation and outdoor activity, you have less virus circulation.

 

[Unchained]

There is a radio station in NYC, 1010 am and during the reading of the news, they have a loud teletype sound effect. Kind of symbolic of US. Covid response , immediate action was to use TV,Radio and newspapers. Any person thinking would know that will only get some of the population..hearings over the years on the urgent need for 911 system overhaul gave numbers on what it would take to overwhelm the system( sub systems) in most places. And a repeating number 9\11 was used as a worst case scenario, if a disaster of September 11th proportion happened are we ready? What will happen?
And similar questions about health care system..if we are running at red line, staffing shortages nationwide, closure of clinics and hospitals to medium sized to remote rural communities..what will a disaster response look like? Let's say 3-4 Hurricane Katrina 's at once..instead of theory, we have some hard data..
in my area the primary ambulance service is run by the Red Cross..to get community support,they have a big LED sign that displays the running total of rescues and during 2020 it was over 14,000+..year prior,9900 can't know for sure what percentage of the increase was Covid related because the data is not available to the public

 

[Unchained]

In the summer, people lock themselves in enclosed, air-conditioned rooms in the US South - i.e. much more risky regarding virus build-up. When temperatures invite natural ventilation and outdoor activity, you have less virus circulation.

This is true..this turned out to be high risk as was counter intuitive, as information has evolved so have the prevention and treatment methods.

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gCMzjJjuxQI


Oh how far we have come

 

[Unchained]

I am completely fascinated by the binary science acceptance..so pizza pockets, viagra, microwave ovens and the popcorn,Rogaine, abs brakes,remote control TVs, cell phones, breast augmentation,C-section child delivery, the list is endless, but the current available Covid vaccines are bad..
I think I will enjoy a glass of pasteurized milk

 

[Unchained]

It's weird how disease and bike racing could intersect so many times would bike racing have it's history without Amgen? What would it look like? And would Coors beer ever funded all the facets of bike racing if it's brew was restricted to a regional pleasure because of fears of processing differences..ie filtration and pasteurization..oh science..
Covid is said to advanced the study and technology of immunology by 20+ years..and for me I always knew that the menus were dirty or that the handrail and door handles at the post office and train station were filthy but I have evolved and have modified my behavior..don't know what the final verdict is on those big colored ball pits at McDonald's but I hope that they can rid those places of Covid bacteria also..

 

[jmdirt]

this is excellent news..and the studies showing how long it will take for the United States,the world to get natural immunized..?

Johns Hopkins Doc Says Vaccine Mandates 'Ruin Lives' - And Natural Immunity Is 27 Times Better Than Jab

Maybe it's time for the Biden administration to set aside all of the politics and actually look at the science.

www.westernjournal.com

in some places less than 1% of the population have been vaccinated..so natural immunity for tuberculosis,AIDS, mumps,measles,rubella,typhoid,polio..they are all probably going to work sooner or later.
it is fantastic that the human body never stops amazing us..truly fantastic, but in modern life if natural immunity can't be achieved for car accidents or cancer, logic, like in any test,do the easy stuff first and then proceed to the most difficult,time consuming,complicated..waiting for nature is cool,she will probably filter our air and water, she will probably solve the age old turtle,deer,chicken,cow and horse crossing the road wo being crushed by an 18 wheeler.
.all involved have different levels of understanding and resolve. Don't know for sure,I seldom ask dead deer if they regret crossing when they did and why. But for human beings,billions of us relying on the next guy..@330,000+ million Americans can let the world say,that's done let's move on to more difficult places..

Vermont Coronavirus Vaccination Progress

How is Vermont progressing in its mission to vaccinate the population? See how many people are fully vaccinated state-wide and parse the numbers by demographics.

usafacts.org

US Coronavirus vaccine tracker

Each state has a different plan — and different challenges — in distributing vaccines. Learn more about who is getting vaccinated by parsing the data by age, sex and race.

usafacts.org

So depending on the starting data of the pandemic you choose..I think we have been at this for @22 months..how many years until we are a herd? I can't move to Vermont

Makary has been beating that drum for a while. It was questionable when he started, and now has just become silly because he is using one initial Israeli study, but has yet to follow up with supporting data/studies (he does reference two tiny observational situations sometimes too). In fact there are other numbers out of Israel that show the opposite. If he was really being serious he would have spent time supporting his stance instead of simply repeating it. Could he be correct that natural immunity is robust? Yes, and I hope that he is. 27 times more effective...I'm waiting for his proof.

Its important to note that he got vaccinated and encourages others to do the same. Also important to note, he is a surgical oncologist.

 

[Ultrairon]

I am completely fascinated by the binary science acceptance..so pizza pockets, viagra, microwave ovens and the popcorn,Rogaine, abs brakes,remote control TVs, cell phones, breast augmentation,C-section child delivery, the list is endless, but the current available Covid vaccines are bad..
I think I will enjoy a glass of pasteurized milk

Who is arguing that the Covid vax is bad?

 

[Ultrairon]

In the summer, people lock themselves in enclosed, air-conditioned rooms in the US South - i.e. much more risky regarding virus build-up. When temperatures invite natural ventilation and outdoor activity, you have less virus circulation.

They turn the AC off in the south in the fall? Look at the temps all across the south with the relative humidity. I can guarantee the AC is not off. I think it might have some to do with the cases but in my opinion it is more about the waves of the virus following patterns.

Its clear though Lockdowns and Mask Mandates have nothing to do with it. Additionaly travel bans are useless. They save no time as when they think they have found a new variant it was already in the country that placed a ban on travel.

 

[Ultrairon]

There is a radio station in NYC, 1010 am and during the reading of the news, they have a loud teletype sound effect. Kind of symbolic of US. Covid response , immediate action was to use TV,Radio and newspapers. Any person thinking would know that will only get some of the population..hearings over the years on the urgent need for 911 system overhaul gave numbers on what it would take to overwhelm the system( sub systems) in most places. And a repeating number 9\11 was used as a worst case scenario, if a disaster of September 11th proportion happened are we ready? What will happen?
And similar questions about health care system..if we are running at red line, staffing shortages nationwide, closure of clinics and hospitals to medium sized to remote rural communities..what will a disaster response look like? Let's say 3-4 Hurricane Katrina 's at once..instead of theory, we have some hard data..
in my area the primary ambulance service is run by the Red Cross..to get community support,they have a big LED sign that displays the running total of rescues and during 2020 it was over 14,000+..year prior,9900 can't know for sure what percentage of the increase was Covid related because the data is not available to the public

The USA CDC keeps good data on deaths though. It is particularly easy to see the total deaths from years past compared to 2020 and eventually 2021

 

[Koronin]

They turn the AC off in the south in the fall? Look at the temps all across the south with the relative humidity. I can guarantee the AC is not off. I think it might have some to do with the cases but in my opinion it is more about the waves of the virus following patterns.

Its clear though Lockdowns and Mask Mandates have nothing to do with it. Additionaly travel bans are useless. They save no time as when they think they have found a new variant it was already in the country that placed a ban on travel.

People are OUTSIDE more in the fall instead of cooped up inside with the A/C on in the south. This is fairly easy to see when you happen to LIVE in that part of the country. 70/80 degrees with humidity is a heck of a lot more comfortable than 90 plus with humidity. Is the A/C off, no, but it's not running like it does in the middle of the summer either.

Actually lockdowns DO work for what they are intended to do. By the way, if masks didn't work they wouldn't be worn in hospitals where infection disease are.
I agree that travel bans are worthless as the variant has already traveled to multiple places once it's found.

 

[djpbaltimore]

If you are looking for data indicating which booster to take, this study does a nice job comparing some of the different combinations.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1466956985555828736

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/theunretired/status/1466956985555828736

 

[Ultrairon]

People are OUTSIDE more in the fall instead of cooped up inside with the A/C on in the south. This is fairly easy to see when you happen to LIVE in that part of the country. 70/80 degrees with humidity is a heck of a lot more comfortable than 90 plus with humidity. Is the A/C off, no, but it's not running like it does in the middle of the summer either.

Actually lockdowns DO work for what they are intended to do. By the way, if masks didn't work they wouldn't be worn in hospitals where infection disease are.
I agree that travel bans are worthless as the variant has already traveled to multiple places once it's found.

I don't agree lock-downs do anything except trap people inside. Mask's in a hospital is different if it is a n95 sure. The cloth masks and disposable masks that most people are littering the world with are almost useless. They stop you from spiting on someone that is about it.

Parts of Florida is hot year around and they still have a noticeable dip in cases for summer to fall etc.

 

[Koronin]

I don't agree lock-downs do anything except trap people inside. Mask's in a hospital is different if it is a n95 sure. The cloth masks and disposable masks that most people are littering the world with are almost useless. They stop you from spiting on someone that is about it.

Parts of Florida is hot year around and they still have a noticeable dip in cases for summer to fall etc.

Lockdowns have PROVEN to keep health systems from getting overwhelmed in high virus areas. When health care systems get overrun it leads to MORE deaths. That is a proven FACT.

If those masks didn't work, they would NOT be used by health care professionals.

So everyone in Florida is cooped up INSIDES in the fall? The answer to that question is NO. They are NOT cooped up inside in the fall like they are in the summer.

 

[FrankB]

I don't agree lock-downs do anything except trap people inside. Mask's in a hospital is different if it is a n95 sure. The cloth masks and disposable masks that most people are littering the world with are almost useless. They stop you from spiting on someone that is about it.

Parts of Florida is hot year around and they still have a noticeable dip in cases for summer to fall etc.

You're not giving lockdowns their fair shake. Lockdowns are great for damaging businesses, and generally lowering quality of life for all. But hey, better to live miserable than take a tiny risk of dying, right? Evidently quantity of life is the key, and not quality

 

[Unchained]

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tp0zB904Mc


The entire video proves it's point then and now,same data is available in written format w graphs..
4:26 in the video is profound even if you don't watch anything else. And now @2 years on..we know how very very little virus is necessary to impact those that will remain asymptomatic and those who will die days after exposure..
in many of the rebuttals there is a strange sense of fatalism..
like a huge Wheel of Fortune spinning wheel were those at low to no risk keeping spinning until it comes up the name,a life who will suffer or die and it's just part of the game..
And because of what " side" it looks like I am on..my unvaccinated aunt was buried today, leaving behind her children,grandchildren,sisters and brother and her unvaccinated husband who became seriously ill w Covid in Montana @9 -10 weeks ago..She was a very nice person, is one the only people I know to spend @$2000 dollars restoring a stove so her kitchen looked like a brand new kitchen from the 1940's.
When I lived in Sint-Niklaas Belgium she and my other Aunt sent me a multi year birthday and Christmas present in May or June, $600 check!! The Nutella( chocco) on bread for 2 sometimes 3 meals a day made her act out of pity.. pictures were expensive to develop,but my thank you card was a photo of me eating a donner kebab w French fries and curry ketchup..perhaps the most calories I ate for the 3 months before and 3 months after. She has the framed photo in her hallway. I have no explanation for why people do what they do.. And I can absolutely assure you that if intelligence is the key component for getting vaccinated,she would have had the shot.
3rd person who I actually knew who died, only one in my immediate family.

 

[Koronin]

This may or may not be behind a paywall depending on how many "free" articles you've read already:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/12/04/big-counties-are-proving-how-vaccination-works/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR01A5sabO0RYjTPlkfY8Eo1IPayG1y66rKCnIu8lZXWXqckxoSo_e74uE4

This is from the article:
Perhaps the most highly vaccinated large county in America, according to New York Times data, is Montgomery County, Md., just outside the District of Columbia. Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show 93 percent of those 12 and older there are fully vaccinated, compared to around 70 percent nationally. The number dying over the past week is eight times as high nationally — 3.4 per 1 million — as it is in Montgomery County — 0.4 per 1 million — even as Montgomery County is near some virus hotspots.
The relative rate is similar in two of the handful of other most-vaccinated large counties in the country: Dane County, Wis. (home to Madison), where 86 percent of people 12 and older are fully vaccinated, per the CDC, and San Francisco, where 84 percent are vaccinated. Dane County also has 0.4 deaths per 1 million despite being in one of the most hard-hit regions, the Midwest.

Slightly fewer people 12 and over are vaccinated in New York City, though still north of 80 percent. Over the past week, it has registered a per-capita death rate about one-third the national average.

 

[movingtarget]

Omicron proves we’re not in control of Covid – only global action can stop this pandemic

If we keep allowing this virus to spread through unvaccinated populations, the next variant could be even more deadly

www.theguardian.com

 

[jmdirt]

If someone is saying that 'masks don't work', they are just being disingenuous because if their intelligence was actually that low they wouldn't be able to type.

 

[hrotha]

There's lots of super basic info that was clearly established early in the pandemic but that many people seem to have conveniently forgotten already. The way masks do and do not work is probably among them. Masks aren't going to do much in places where they're not common enough, because most of them are not supposed to protect the person wearing them, but everyone around the wearer (that said, they do offer some protection to the wearer too).

There's this recent official study by Public Health England on the effect of face coverings, ranging from N95 masks to non-medical masks. Bottom line: they all help to varying degrees. The evidence is not perfect, because this is all very hard to test for outside of laboratory settings, but the evidence that does exist points in the same direction.

 

[Koronin]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/prior-infection-little-defense-against-151240040.html

 

[Oldermanish]

LOL did you see the numbers during the past summer? Graphs are out there even in the link I posted. Delta is still there in Houston. Nothing has changed even the vax rate is the same. You are in Houston then you should know. I don't think magic is involved at all, I do think the mask and distance mandates have little to do with the waves of cases we see.

...Particularly if the infected are specifically unvaccinated and don't wear masks. Behavior is then the only tool that can guarantee decreased infection rates, IMO.

 

[Ultrairon]

Lockdowns have PROVEN to keep health systems from getting overwhelmed in high virus areas. When health care systems get overrun it leads to MORE deaths. That is a proven FACT.

If those masks didn't work, they would NOT be used by health care professionals.

So everyone in Florida is cooped up INSIDES in the fall? The answer to that question is NO. They are NOT cooped up inside in the fall like they are in the summer.

Ok so a cloth mask used over and over is a good thing. Sure if you say so. I don't believe the studies will in the end actually say that.

Florida is outside all the time! Its the freaking Sunshine State. During the Summer the beaches are packed. There are all types of outdoor activities and events going on in Florida during the summer.

Are you getting upset? The use of all caps appears that way, if so I am not going to agree with you just because you got those all cap words.