Just listening to TMS on the radio. I wish cycling had commentators this good. Henry Blofeld-style.
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movingtarget said:
The bowling line-up stays (pending how they perform in the 2nd innings) but judging by our batting performance, there needs to be some changes made there, drastic changes.
Watson is no opener and Cowan is no no. 3 but I'm afraid with Hughes' demotion to 6 there is little confidence in him being first drop.
darwin553 said:
Cowan is a great number 3. If you don't believe me, just ask him, he'll tell you.
Clarke copped a beauty. Woeful shot by Cowan. Match is pretty even at this point.
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darwin553 said:Really poor decision that LB on Rogers. Worst I have seen for awhile
It did look harsh, however it was clipping the stump so 'umpires call' was right. Good 1st day and the test is right in the balance. World class ball from Jimmy to get rid of Clarke, unplayable.
darwin553 said:Really poor decision that LB on Rogers. Worst I have seen for awhile
Wut, it was hitting the stumps. Seen far worse.
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Cyivel said:
Just clipping leg? A bowler going around the wicket? What happened to giving the batsmen a greater benefit of the doubt because of that and ensuring that the ball had straightened. I'm sorry but that Sri Lankan umpire has umpired his last Ashes test.
Pricey - agree about Clarkey's wicket, unplayable. Steve Smith should hold his head up high after repaying the selectors' faith in him.
darwin553 said:
Erm, clear weird home bias.
As for benefit of the doubt, the umpire was obviously sure it was hitting the stumps and he was in fact correct!
Anyway I look forward to your future enlightening contributions
'Yeah look he nicked it but it was only a thin edge so he shouldn't have been given out caught behind'
'He was only run out by a centimetre so he should be given in'
etc etc
'Yeah look he nicked it but it was only a thin edge so he shouldn't have been given out caught behind'
'He was only run out by a centimetre so he should be given in'
etc etc
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Cyivel said:
You don't understand the history of the game at all
In years gone by and I'm only talking perhaps 3-4 years ago, a decision like the one we saw last night when Rogers was given LB would never have been considered to be given out.
How times have changed
Of course I do, I've been watching it for 25+ years, you've just got Green & Gold tinted glasses on.
darwin553 said:Haha then you would know that decision would never of been given out when you started watching cricket!
I agree, umpiring is far better now than it was in the 80's/90's.
darwin553 said:Depends on whose side of the fence you sit on and your respective skill as a cricketer
Nope, only an idiot would deny umpiring hasn't improved a lot over the last 10-20 years.
Edit: More deflecting than denying.
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Cyivel said:
By and large I do agree with you, but there are some exceptions as you would probably agree.
But there is a difference between upholding widely held benefits given to the batsmen as I have contended with respect to the dismissal of Rogers and the sweeping generalisation that umpiring has improved.
darwin553 said:By and large I do agree with you, but there are some exceptions as you would probably agree.
But there is a difference between upholding widely held benefits given to the batsmen as I have contended with respect to the dismissal of Rogers and the sweeping generalisation that umpiring has improved.
Yeah Harper was awful.
To get back to Rogers dismissal, your comment was moronic, if you said hey I thought he should have got the benefit of the doubt then whatever I wouldn't have disagreed with you but you said
Really poor decision that LB on Rogers. Worst I have seen for awhile
To a decision that was actually correct.
darwin553 said:
Umpires call, Umpire called that it was hitting the stumps and he was right, good decision.
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See you are so fixated on a position, I will try to make this easier for you.
The fact we can both agree on is that the review stated that it was 'umpire's call'. Another point which you won't disagree with me on, given your 25+ years of watching the game, is that if the umpire had not given it out and England reviewed it, it would have remained not out on the basis of the 'umpire's call'.
Now if we use reasonable standards of umpiring (and perhaps even historic) a bowler who is going around the wicket and who is angling the ball down the leg side has to show that it is staightening as just clipping leg does not sufficiently give the benefit of the doubt to the batsmen.
Now based on this standard and even if reviewed, Rogers would still be there.
The fact we can both agree on is that the review stated that it was 'umpire's call'. Another point which you won't disagree with me on, given your 25+ years of watching the game, is that if the umpire had not given it out and England reviewed it, it would have remained not out on the basis of the 'umpire's call'.
Now if we use reasonable standards of umpiring (and perhaps even historic) a bowler who is going around the wicket and who is angling the ball down the leg side has to show that it is staightening as just clipping leg does not sufficiently give the benefit of the doubt to the batsmen.
Now based on this standard and even if reviewed, Rogers would still be there.
I'm sure this is tedious reading for all but us, the decision could have gone either way but it clearly wasn't as bad a call as you made out (which is what I disagreed with in the first place), that is beyond dispute.
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Cyivel said:
Now I'm starting to question your 25+ years watching the game as even a Pom with any civility would know it was a bad call from the umpire and Rogers just got unlucky.
I'll be watching closely as to whether you hold yourself to this same standard if an English batsman gets out in similar circumstances.
darwin553 said:
Yes a ball that is hitting the stumps is a bad call, I'll just let people think about that for a moment and no doubt question your intelligence
Obviously I would have the same opinion if it was an English batsmen as I'm not biased!
Anyway it's late so Good Night!
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