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Fuglsang riding for a new contract methinks, but he won't be a real factor at the tour. Porte otoh......
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Silent assassin maybe?
Fuglsang is such an anonymous rider. He can't be nuclear.Brullnux said:
Silent assassin maybe?
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When I saw that famous finish line in Alpe d'Huez, I really wished for a hard hard Alpe d'Huez stage with riders arriving alone with big gaps. Something with Madeleine and Glandon before the famous climb. Classic 80ies and 90ies stuff.
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How many people thought Dumoulin would win the Giro ? Fuglsang is in good form at the moment but I would be surprised if he made the top five in the Tour.
WheelofGear said:
How many people thought Dumoulin would win the Giro ? Fuglsang is in good form at the moment but I would be surprised if he made the top five in the Tour.
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Porte isn't over hyped. He has confirmed the hype. The last Tour showed that.
perico said:
Porte isn't over hyped. He has confirmed the hype. The last Tour showed that.
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Depends on what brand of hype ? If it was of the brand "he CAN contend for top 5 or perhaps a podium at a GT" then last year's Tour gave it some justification.
If its of the brand. Richie is a future GT winner and especially the bovine byproduct from his boosters in AUS media then "Hell No", its not yet justified. When he at has a GT podium on his CV THEN at least you have some basis.
movingtarget said:
Depends on what brand of hype ? If it was of the brand "he CAN contend for top 5 or perhaps a podium at a GT" then last year's Tour gave it some justification.
If its of the brand. Richie is a future GT winner and especially the bovine byproduct from his boosters in AUS media then "Hell No", its not yet justified. When he at has a GT podium on his CV THEN at least you have some basis.
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Porte definitely has a chance to win the Tour and if he wins he will confirm the hype.
Flip a 3-sided coin to pick the winner:
- Froome
- Porte
- Field (all others)
Flip a 3-sided coin to pick the winner:
- Froome
- Porte
- Field (all others)
- Aug 5, 2009
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I think most of the hype was about him competing at the top level for a podium. No one was saying he was the next Froome or was the future of road cycling. I noticed that quite a few of the doubters were a bit chastened during the Tour last year although some were still writing him off completely. And of course some celebrated his puncture as another failure. The big question now is how long can he hold his current form ?
dirkprovin said:
I think most of the hype was about him competing at the top level for a podium. No one was saying he was the next Froome or was the future of road cycling. I noticed that quite a few of the doubters were a bit chastened during the Tour last year although some were still writing him off completely. And of course some celebrated his puncture as another failure. The big question now is how long can he hold his current form ?
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Last year was a GT podium (more than that: a Tour podium) in terms of corroborating Porte's ability. The reason it wasn't in reality had nothing to do with Porte falling short.
This year, he's seemingly stronger than ever. And simultaneously, the one person who was stronger than Porte last year is weaker than he usually is at this time of the year. The hype is justified.
dirkprovin said:
Last year was a GT podium (more than that: a Tour podium) in terms of corroborating Porte's ability. The reason it wasn't in reality had nothing to do with Porte falling short.
This year, he's seemingly stronger than ever. And simultaneously, the one person who was stronger than Porte last year is weaker than he usually is at this time of the year. The hype is justified.
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What podium really?! He needs to finish on one first! Then talk about his podium! The guy is not consistent enough. He proved that time and time again. Even this year in P-N. He was strong last year, nobody denies that, but far from certain podium. Bardet was strong too, and what about Valverde? What if Valverde rode for himself, it would've been big crowd on the podium.
He looks really strong this year, though. Strongest ever I think. But still he can't be the main favorite because of his lack of GT big results. He can win, I agree. But I wouldn't put my money on him.
SeriousSam said:
What podium really?! He needs to finish on one first! Then talk about his podium! The guy is not consistent enough. He proved that time and time again. Even this year in P-N. He was strong last year, nobody denies that, but far from certain podium. Bardet was strong too, and what about Valverde? What if Valverde rode for himself, it would've been big crowd on the podium.
He looks really strong this year, though. Strongest ever I think. But still he can't be the main favorite because of his lack of GT big results. He can win, I agree. But I wouldn't put my money on him.
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Sorry but with respect, I tend to disagree. He's positively flying NOW and, arguably in better form and condition NOW, than all the other contenders ..... but the Tour de France is next month rather than currently in progress and holding this (arguably) career best form and condition through for another 6 weeks will be some achievement. Not saying its impossible, just that its far from a bankable proposition.
You are putting forward the "podium manque" case for his 2016 Tour. Yes, he rode well but he was stil several minutes away from the yellow jersey. It wasn't the case that he was riding DEMONSTRABLY better than those who finished above him; there were no stage victories or even stage top3's but rather a couple of stage top 10s plus a 4th in the short uphill ITT.
Ah, yes, Richie the great TTer is the line we are so often fed ..... but his record doesn't really back that up. He's most definitely NOT a pure TTer of the Cancellara, Martin or Dennis variety and he's never remotely threatened the podium when he's ridden the TT at Worlds. Rather, he is someone who is capable of the exceptional TT on his day (which we saw a couple of days back) but neither is he a consistent performer in this discipline. You "pump up" his 2016 TDF yet he leaked minutes to Froome in the longer ITT and finished behind far less fancied TTers such as AY & Quintana. His GT record with ITTs is basically inconsistent; the excellent mixed in with the ordinary.
I am not ANTI Porte; I feel he is an excellent rider. He was one of the very top climbing super-domestiques of this decade and has proven himself a top shelf one-week rider in some of the biggest one-week tours. On his day, he can produce an outstanding ITT. What I AM uncertain of are (a) his capacity to think clearly and smartly under stress and (b) his capacity to handle being one of the out and out favourites at the TDF and being put under the blow-torch by the likes of SKY & Movistar. Last year, they didn't bother about him. This year, he's right there in their gunsights and his history under GT stress has not been one of triumph
SeriousSam said:
Sorry but with respect, I tend to disagree. He's positively flying NOW and, arguably in better form and condition NOW, than all the other contenders ..... but the Tour de France is next month rather than currently in progress and holding this (arguably) career best form and condition through for another 6 weeks will be some achievement. Not saying its impossible, just that its far from a bankable proposition.
You are putting forward the "podium manque" case for his 2016 Tour. Yes, he rode well but he was stil several minutes away from the yellow jersey. It wasn't the case that he was riding DEMONSTRABLY better than those who finished above him; there were no stage victories or even stage top3's but rather a couple of stage top 10s plus a 4th in the short uphill ITT.
Ah, yes, Richie the great TTer is the line we are so often fed ..... but his record doesn't really back that up. He's most definitely NOT a pure TTer of the Cancellara, Martin or Dennis variety and he's never remotely threatened the podium when he's ridden the TT at Worlds. Rather, he is someone who is capable of the exceptional TT on his day (which we saw a couple of days back) but neither is he a consistent performer in this discipline. You "pump up" his 2016 TDF yet he leaked minutes to Froome in the longer ITT and finished behind far less fancied TTers such as AY & Quintana. His GT record with ITTs is basically inconsistent; the excellent mixed in with the ordinary.
I am not ANTI Porte; I feel he is an excellent rider. He was one of the very top climbing super-domestiques of this decade and has proven himself a top shelf one-week rider in some of the biggest one-week tours. On his day, he can produce an outstanding ITT. What I AM uncertain of are (a) his capacity to think clearly and smartly under stress and (b) his capacity to handle being one of the out and out favourites at the TDF and being put under the blow-torch by the likes of SKY & Movistar. Last year, they didn't bother about him. This year, he's right there in their gunsights and his history under GT stress has not been one of triumph
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That's a fallacy. The lack of previous GT results doesn't alter the probability of achieving a podium this year.
People time and time again tend to make the mistake of assuming that the probability of past events will influence the probability of the same event happening one more time, when they are mutually exclusive events.
Anyway, last year the guy had an accident which wasn't his fault. In one of the first stages he lost 2 minutes because of a mechanical (or any other crap that wasn't his fault), otherwise he would have achieved a higher place.
Talking about his consistency as a GC contender, when he hasn't been consistent has a domestique isn't rational.
Blanco said:
That's a fallacy. The lack of previous GT results doesn't alter the probability of achieving a podium this year.
People time and time again tend to make the mistake of assuming that the probability of past events will influence the probability of the same event happening one more time, when they are mutually exclusive events.
Anyway, last year the guy had an accident which wasn't his fault. In one of the first stages he lost 2 minutes because of a mechanical (or any other crap that wasn't his fault), otherwise he would have achieved a higher place.
Talking about his consistency as a GC contender, when he hasn't been consistent has a domestique isn't rational.
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I had got my hopes dashed for Porte to last three weeks too many times to believe he could ride strong for three weeks in the 2016 Tour. But he effectively did that last year. He also didn't give up mentally after those setbacks he was clearly the second strongest climber in the 2016 Tour but rode a mediocre TT which outside his accident / mechanical is where he lost most time to Froome. There are no guarantees he still needs to deliver but right at this moment it looks like he can ride a stronger 2017 Tour than he did in 2016.
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The ultimate anti Aussie. I remember Ryo went MIA in the 2011 TdF when Evans the guy who "couldn't climb" dropped the entire field bar the Schlecks on the Galibier. Very satisfying.
Escarabajo said:For this discussion about Porte they should un-cage Ryo. It would be more fun!
The ultimate anti Aussie. I remember Ryo went MIA in the 2011 TdF when Evans the guy who "couldn't climb" dropped the entire field bar the Schlecks on the Galibier. Very satisfying.
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