Critérium du Dauphiné 2022, June 5 - 12

[bajbar]

Well, as the Olympic time trial champion this was not a good performance compared to van Aert and Ganna. But it doesn't tell us much about the Tour in my opinion because we don't know at what percentage of their capabilities they all are at the moment. Vingegaard definitely wasn't stronger. And Pogacar can only beat himself at the Tour.
To win the Tour Roglic has to hope for serious bad luck for Pogacar, I think we knew that before.

The olympic TT had almost 800 meters of elevation. This one had 90. Believe it or not, this makes a big difference. A 65kg rider will always be in a disadvantage in a pan flat TT to 80kg Watt-machines. Unless you are Evenepoel. Then you are allowed to defy the laws of physics haha.

 

[Big Doopie]

Primoz‘ TT was not too bad…

Remember, in 2004, Dauphine, Lance lost two minutes to Mayo in the mountain TT on Ventoux. Four weeks later, Lance wins the Tour, Mayo is nowhere…

lol at using those references.

armstrong was also dropped by semi pros in the hills of tour of gila.

peaks and valleys, sure. huge fluctuations in form are not normal. y you are seeing more riders at a high level throughout the season.

i actually went out on a limb and wondered if rog was at the start of gradual decline when i watched P-N this year (and he won that and may well win dauphine). got a lot of flak at the time. LOL. he may yet be pog's closest competitor but the gap is widening...

 

[Sciatic]

Thread is some peak Overreaction FC at the moment

“A tradition like no other” . . . Over-exaggerating Dauphine performances!

 

[Krzysztof_O]

lol at using those references.

armstrong was also dropped by semi pros in the hills of tour of gila.

peaks and valleys, sure. huge fluctuations in form are not normal. y you are seeing more riders at a high level throughout the season.

i actually went out on a limb and wondered if rog was at the start of gradual decline when i watched P-N this year (and he won that and may well win dauphine). got a lot of flak at the time. LOL. he may yet be pog's closest competitor but the gap is widening...

We will know more in July, Roglic still has time to hit his peak form.
As for Mayo, incredible performance. Excluding the easy first part, he averaged a VAM of 1820 for almost...46 minutes! Pog never maintained such VAM for 30 minutes+, and probably nobody in cycling history matched Mayo's 45 min climbing speed.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

wow roglic should be a domestique for van Aert, Jumbo has to switch up their tour strategy completely!

I found your posts amusing, but your unrelenting dumping on Roglic has me wonder whether you are just joking, dead serious or simply trolling.

 

[Sciatic]

To see a Van Aert performance like this on a flat TT, and knowing his cobbles and cross background, one would think he should win multiple Roubaixs. Still time I guess.

 

[Sciatic]

We will know more in July, Roglic still has time to hit his peak form.
As for Mayo, incredible performance. Excluding the easy first part, he averaged a VAM of 1820 for almost...46 minutes! Pog never maintained such VAM for 30 minutes+, and probably nobody in cycling history matched Mayo's 45 min climbing speed.

Yeah, I was a big Mayo fan and was already hating on Armstrong by that point (unlike most of my national brethren) and was so excited after that Dauphine and then mightily sad about the Tour. Learned my lesson though.

It wasn’t long ago that some folks on here were criticizing Roglic for going all in to win week-long stage races in the lead up to GTs. Seems entirely possible he has shifted his training to put everything in the bag for the Tour. We’ll see.

 

[boliver523]

People in this forum act like roglic lost 3 minutes to vingegaard, maybe roglic wants to hit his peak in the tour.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

People in this forum act like roglic lost 3 minutes to vingegaard, maybe roglic wants to hit his peak in the tour.

Roglic did pretty well in an almost pan flat TT.

Idk what people are on about honestly. Must be something in the air that gets them high idk.
I see some people are even making comparisons to the olympics, which was a way harder TT.

Mental.

 

[Rackham]

This thread reminds me of the 2020 Vuelta when people were ripping into Roglic for winning the TT but not by a big enough margin.

I think people would have been disappointed by anything other than a performance that asserted himself as equal to Pogacar, which was unlikely.

Most likely this Dauphine will prove what many of us expected it to: that Roglic is a level above all other GC contenders, but half a level below Pogacar.

Roglic is screwed in terms of public perception since 2020.

Pog was beaten by Tratnik & Polanc (he lost 34 seconds on the winner) over a 31km flat TT a couple of weeks before the Tour 2021 (Slovenian National Championship TT). Pog also lost nearly 2 minutes against Ganna in the world championship TT.

But because he's Pog & everyone knows his ceiling is insane, no one cared. Roglic meanwhile is coming out of a bad Itzulia (due to injury) & always (literally always) has the "not as good as Pogacar" tag hanging over him.

Now I'm not saying Rog will beat Pog in the Tour but no need to reach conclusions yet. And if Roglic really does intend to do both the TdF & the Vuelta, I don't think anyone should be surprised he's not going full gas yet.

 

[CyclistAbi]

The usual. Only Vingegaard can beat Pogi at the Tour. The fact Rogla finished 30s ahead today plays no real role. As Rogla didn't beat Ganna today on a flat and long-ish ITT. You must beat Ganna if you want to beat Pogi at the Tour. The fact that Pogi tends to not beat Ganna on such stage is irrelevant.

Clear demise no chance.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Now I'm not saying Rog will beat Pog in the Tour but no need to reach conclusions yet. And if Roglic really does intend to do both the TdF & the Vuelta, I don't think anyone should be surprised he's not going full gas yet.

Yes, his preparations may be more subdued this year for various reasons. Peaking for July is still on the cards. BTW his cadense today was really weird, he was doing weightlifting with his legs.

 

[Riek s]

If pogacar would have ridden and win this TT, i bet some other forum section will go nucleair... and with valid reason. So expecting Roglic to win is also kind of...
I expected him to be a bit closer, maybe by 10-15seconds.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Cattaneo and Hayter really strong. This Hayter guy is really super, he can do everything and has a HUGE engine. He will soon win the biggest races.

Not until he learns how to ride in a peloton.

 

[Red Rick]

Roglic is screwed in terms of public perception since 2020.

Pog was beaten by Tratnik & Polanc (he lost 34 seconds on the winner) over a 31km flat TT a couple of weeks before the Tour 2021 (Slovenian National Championship TT). Pog also lost nearly 2 minutes against Ganna in the world championship TT.

But because he's Pog & everyone knows his ceiling is insane, no one cared. Roglic meanwhile is coming out of a bad Itzulia (due to injury) & always (literally always) has the "not as good as Pogacar" tag hanging over him.

Now I'm not saying Rog will beat Pog in the Tour but no need to reach conclusions yet. And if Roglic really does intend to do both the TdF & the Vuelta, I don't think anyone should be surprised he's not going full gas yet.

Pretty much.

Like I don't need to believe it's 50/50. I'm well aware Rog probably isn't as good as Pog on a Tour route like this, but people be acting like it's 2013 and Contador is going up against Froome.

 

[Sciatic]

Roglic is screwed in terms of public perception since 2020.

Pog was beaten by Tratnik & Polanc (he lost 34 seconds on the winner) over a 31km flat TT a couple of weeks before the Tour 2021 (Slovenian National Championship TT). Pog also lost nearly 2 minutes against Ganna in the world championship TT.

But because he's Pog & everyone knows his ceiling is insane, no one cared. Roglic meanwhile is coming out of a bad Itzulia (due to injury) & always (literally always) has the "not as good as Pogacar" tag hanging over him.

Now I'm not saying Rog will beat Pog in the Tour but no need to reach conclusions yet. And if Roglic really does intend to do both the TdF & the Vuelta, I don't think anyone should be surprised he's not going full gas yet.

I’m not sure if this is more true now than in the past, but some of the comments here during and after these prep races reminds me of spectators at golf tournaments who want so badly to be the first to bellow “IN the HOLE” the moment a player tees off or taps a putt. I guess I don’t understand the impulse to state “X is 110% true, without a doubt” when we know we do not have all the info, when we’re not privy to a rider’s training schedule, and knowing that we will be able to see and judge for ourselves once the “main” event arrives?

 

[Ripper]

lol at using those references.

armstrong was also dropped by semi pros in the hills of tour of gila.

peaks and valleys, sure. huge fluctuations in form are not normal. y you are seeing more riders at a high level throughout the season.

i actually went out on a limb and wondered if rog was at the start of gradual decline when i watched P-N this year (and he won that and may well win dauphine). got a lot of flak at the time. LOL. he may yet be pog's closest competitor but the gap is widening...

Folks really need to stop comparing to races/times where we cannot even discuss the main reasons for the differences on this forum!

 

[ppanther92]

Primoz‘ TT was not too bad…

Remember, in 2004, Dauphine, Lance lost two minutes to Mayo in the mountain TT on Ventoux. Four weeks later, Lance wins the Tour, Mayo is nowhere…

So Primoz is now going to talk to the UCI about Ganna?

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

So Primoz is now going to talk to the UCI about Ganna?

Yeah, that was how Lance was…: „This guy is too fast. Hein, we need to talk about him!“…

 

[noob]

I'm happy Ganna won, but on the hot seat and in the interview he seemed a bit down the whole time... somehow... restrained... is it really a question he's going to start the Tour?

O'Connor looked great, his position on the bike was a lot better than I remembered, so either I remembered wrong or he improved a lot. Anyway, in a rather long flat time trial he didn't lose much time to guys like Caruso or Ayuso, beat Mas and Kelderman slightly - very good for him.

Gaudu also not too bad.

But Haig doesn't look too great, maybe I expected too much - will Bahrain go with Caruso, or Haig, or Landa, or... Teuns?? All of them?

Cavagna looks in the worst form I've seen him in in a long time. Has he been ill?

I thought I was the only one noticing Ganna looked low! Even when he won he just had a slight smug smile on his face, no real Ganna smile. He's usually so sparkly so I really wondered too!

 

[boliver523]

So now roglic finished second in the tour, and is now pushing big gear in the time trials it looks like his ullrich transformation is almost complete.

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

So Jumbo now could ride for van Aert…

Wout could win this Dauphine. Only problem for him would/will be the very last climb of the whole race: Plateau de Salaison, the last climb (MTF) on Sunday. 11kms, 9% - that‘s better for Primoz.

The GC gaps are close, guys like O‘Connor, Gaudu, even Ayuso will be dangerous in the next days, until Sunday afternoon. The race will be exciting until the last meter. WVA, Primoz, Jonas could do a 1-2-3 in the final GC, or could still fail to reach the final GC podium.

Exciting!

 

[Rackham]

Yes, his preparations may be more subdued this year for various reasons. Peaking for July is still on the cards. BTW his cadense today was really weird, he was doing weightlifting with his legs.

I know he pulls bigger gears on climbs now than before (just check his Covadonga Vuelta 2021 climb for reference, or even just yesterday's 2nd cat finish) but it's been a while since I've seen him on such a long flat ITT so I suppose it figures the TT position & gearing changed with his climbing style as well. Just a theory of course. All the recent individual time trials we've seen him in have been hilly or rolling (or too short to notice such things).

But let's face facts, the performance comparison might be apples & oranges (i.e. due to the different time of the season), but nothing will ever be 'as bad' as Harrogate 2019. I'm sure Dennis still has an occasional laugh about that one.

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

I know he pulls bigger gears on climbs now than before (just check his Covadonga Vuelta 2021 climb for reference, or even just yesterday's 2nd cat finish) but it's been a while since I've seen him on such a long flat ITT so I suppose it figures the TT position & gearing changed with his climbing style as well. Just a theory of course. All the recent individual time trials we've seen him in have been hilly or rolling (or too short to notice such things).

But let's face facts, the performance comparison might be apples & oranges (i.e. due to the different time of the season), but nothing will ever be 'as bad' as Harrogate 2019. I'm sure Dennis still has an occasional laugh about that one.

Maybe they changed his cadence and/or pedaling technique due to this injury in spring… I hope he benefits from it

 

[KZD]

Roglic was not great but still didn't significantly better than any of his Tour rivals including his own teammate. I honestly doubt that Pogi would have been better than him today. Cattaneo was a surprise.

As for Ganna I really hope Ineos sends him to the Tour, the first TT will be a great opportunity for him to get the yellow jersey and in the flat stages someone with his engine will always be a very good asset to have even if his climbing shape is not at his best. Van Aert looking really strong again this should be the year he finally dresses in yellow in the Tour.