Critérium du Dauphiné 2023, June 4 - 11

[Escarabajo]

Pretty tame racing considering the profile what do the riders think this is? The giro?

Rain + Preparation Race

 

[movingtarget]

Great ride by Herregodts. It's a cruel sport sometimes...............

 

[Lequack]

No Mas, Landa or Gaudu on that one, but at least we have Juanpe because he‘s worn the Maglia Rosa and De Gendt because he‘s at the verge of being written off so he‘s going to win soon.

Mas and Landa both already lost time today. You can see why they weren't in the pic.

 

[Netserk]

they do, and I dont understand why they dont use them more to avoid these kinds of problems (though for the cameraman it might become a bit more motion sickness inducing as what youre looking at is then out of sync with what youre feeling on the bike), but you could see the rail of the back of the motorbike in some of it, so it wasnt zoomed in much at all.

I kind of wondered when Herregodts came pass whether the motor rider had been told you're having to much impact pull back by race control, but by then the damage had been done

Instead of trying to minimise drafting, I think the motos would play a more neutral role if there both was one in front of the break and another in front of the peloton.

 

[titan31]

Some pretty notable guys losing time on a stage you shouldn't be losing time on. Wonder was there a crash outside of 3k that caused a split or something as odd for likes of Landa, Mas etc losing time here

 

[Rackham]

Did I just imagine some comments earlier equating stage 1 of the Dauphiné today with the Roglič/Mäder Paris-Nice 2021 incident?

Oh boy. Rog was GC leader going for the stage + bonus seconds. The stage was his to win.

Meanwhile what happened today was Rune Heeregots found himself caught in the crossfire of Jumbo Visma's "let's give Laporte a win!" routine. Bad luck aka he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

All riders in the peloton need to know Laporte will get the win, one way or another. Even if it means Vingegaard busting a gut doing a lead out to get his French team leader a WT win on home soil.

 

[Salvarani]

Did I just imagine some comments earlier equating stage 1 of the Dauphiné today with the Roglič/Mäder Paris-Nice 2021 incident?

Oh boy. Rog was GC leader going for the stage + bonus seconds. The stage was his to win.

Meanwhile what happened today was Rune Heeregots found himself caught in the crossfire of Jumbo Visma's "let's give Laporte a win!" routine. Bad luck aka he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

All riders in the peloton need to know Laporte will get the win, one way or another. Even if it means Vingegaard busting a gut doing a lead out to get his French team leader a WT win on home soil.

If Laporte can keep this up for a few more years... he might end up with a pretty good palmares in the end.

In other sports they sometimes talk about players that are good in a "system". They have a role that they play well, surrounded by great teammates who makes things easier. Of course, they are not "bad" players but they probably wouldnt be as successful being the leader/star player somewhere else. They are talented/good, but there sort of is a limit to what they can do on their own.

Im not saying this to knock Laporte... he has found the best place to get as much out of his career as he can and delivers, so far, when given an opportunity to shine.

 

[Rackham]

If Laporte can keep this up for a few more years... he might end up with a pretty good palmares in the end.

In other sports they sometimes talk about players that are good in a "system". They have a role that they play well, surrounded by great teammates who makes things easier. Of course, they are not "bad" players but they probably wouldnt be as successful being the leader/star player somewhere else. They are talented/good, but there sort of is a limit to what they can do on their own.

Im not saying this to knock Laporte... he has found the best place to get as much out of his career as he can and delivers, so far, when given an opportunity to shine.

I think the Laporte charity wins at Jumbo have become a little bit too corporate & forced tbh.

This was the third in 15 months. There's no way Laporte wins today without Vingegaard doing an insane pull (I call it 'insane' because there's always a risk involved for a GC leader doing that sort of stuff).

I mean yeah yeah well done etc. etc. pats on backs all around but Laporte is no scrub, i.e. he's a very good rider who doesn't need people to feel good for him when he wins after he's been given a gift or something. I basically find the "let's all make sure Laporte wins stuff!" routine at Jumbo a bit stale now, especially when he collects the first leader's jersey as well (conveniently on French soil).

With the sort of power they have in their legs right now they should give Benoot or Van Baarle a chance next time.

 

[Valv.Piti]

You treat this as it's some small race. Its Dauphine, for crying out loud. Winning a stage here means a lot Laporte, and you obviously race to win. Otherwise its pretty pointless.

Good on Vingegaard. Pulling here means nothing, good training, and he got his teammate a great win.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

I think the Laporte charity wins at Jumbo have become a little bit too corporate & forced tbh.

This was the third in 15 months. There's no way Laporte wins today without Vingegaard doing an insane pull (I call it 'insane' because there's always a risk involved for a GC leader doing that sort of stuff).

I mean yeah yeah well done etc. etc. pats on backs all around but Laporte is no scrub, i.e. he's a very good rider who doesn't need people to feel good for him when he wins after he's been given a gift or something. I basically find the "let's all make sure Laporte wins stuff!" routine at Jumbo a bit stale now, especially when he collects the first leader's jersey as well (conveniently on French soil).

With the sort of power they have in their legs right now they should give Benoot or Van Baarle a chance next time.

So you think they shouldn‘t ride for Laporte as a sprinter because? I don‘t think there‘s any real risk as a leadout for Vingegaard that is bigger than the risk attributed to sitting in the bunch. And no, they can‘t just let Van Baarle or Benoot win because they would have to make it hard for Benoot to win and there would still be better riders who would beat him. You could send Van Baarle in the break but it‘s more of a long shot than just bringing the break back for the fastest sprinter left. Or is it just because you find GC so important that Jumbo shouldn’t do anything that isn‘t a GC move?

 

[Red Rick]

I think the Laporte charity wins at Jumbo have become a little bit too corporate & forced tbh.

This was the third in 15 months. There's no way Laporte wins today without Vingegaard doing an insane pull (I call it 'insane' because there's always a risk involved for a GC leader doing that sort of stuff).

I mean yeah yeah well done etc. etc. pats on backs all around but Laporte is no scrub, i.e. he's a very good rider who doesn't need people to feel good for him when he wins after he's been given a gift or something. I basically find the "let's all make sure Laporte wins stuff!" routine at Jumbo a bit stale now, especially when he collects the first leader's jersey as well (conveniently on French soil).

With the sort of power they have in their legs right now they should give Benoot or Van Baarle a chance next time.

In a tricky final 3km it's actually very safe for Vingegaard to just pull on the front. Aside from that, his TdF and now Dauphine stage win were just restults of being the strongest in the peloton at that time. Paris Nice was also a very logical gift to give.

Pogacar was also giving Majka stages in Slovenia.

 

[Ricco']

Let's be honest, if WVA was here I bet the team's behaviour would be no different than it was today.

And without WVA in the race, Laporte is the more logical option to get the kind of results WVA was getting every year prior to this in the Dauphiné.

 

[tobydawq]

In a tricky final 3km it's actually very safe for Vingegaard to just pull on the front. Aside from that, his TdF and now Dauphine stage win were just restults of being the strongest in the peloton at that time. Paris Nice was also a very logical gift to give.

Pogacar was also giving Majka stages in Slovenia.

I think GW must be one of the three Rackham was referring to. I wonder which one he doesn't count (I hope the Tour stage)

 

[Pinot's goat]

I think the Laporte charity wins at Jumbo have become a little bit too corporate & forced tbh.

This was the third in 15 months. There's no way Laporte wins today without Vingegaard doing an insane pull (I call it 'insane' because there's always a risk involved for a GC leader doing that sort of stuff).

I mean yeah yeah well done etc. etc. pats on backs all around but Laporte is no scrub, i.e. he's a very good rider who doesn't need people to feel good for him when he wins after he's been given a gift or something. I basically find the "let's all make sure Laporte wins stuff!" routine at Jumbo a bit stale now, especially when he collects the first leader's jersey as well (conveniently on French soil).

With the sort of power they have in their legs right now they should give Benoot or Van Baarle a chance next time.

You cannot compare this win to the gifts from WvA. This was a standard case of a team setting up a sprint for the best sprinter in their team.

 

[Rackham]

You cannot compare this win to the gifts from WvA. This was a standard case of a team setting up a sprint for the best sprinter in their team.

It was a gift. Simply because it required the best rider in the race (Vingegaard) to work on the front to make it happen. This is the 3rd for Laporte, after Paris-Nice 2022 & GW.

FYI Benoot & Van Baarle are also perfectly capable of stage hunting but the objective here was pretty clear: Laporte gets the stage & the jersey.

People are free to think it's cool, I happen to think it's a little bit overkill from a team which will win GC with Vingegaard in this race.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I'd like to be able to casually gifting sprint wins in group of 50 riders eager to win

 

[Ricco']

It was a gift. Simply because it required the best rider in the race (Vingegaard) to work on the front to make it happen. This is the 3rd for Laporte, after Paris-Nice 2022 & GW.

FYI Benoot & Van Baarle are also perfectly capable of stage hunting but the objective here was pretty clear: Laporte gets the stage & the jersey.

People are free to think it's cool, I happen to think it's a little bit overkill from a team which will win GC with Vingegaard in this race.

By that logic consider also his TdF stage as a gift, because WVA and team chose to ride for Laporte instead of trying another stage win with Wout.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

I'd like to be able to casually gifting sprint wins in group of 50 riders eager to win

Well, become Vingegaard then, he has magical fish powers

 

[Escarabajo]

So what if it is a gift. I helps with 3 things:

1- Help to build your fitness and your tune up for the Tour
2- It shows that they are a great team with great team bonding.
3- It is only common sense, if Laporte goes to the Tour, that he will either return a favor or just bury himself a bit harder for Vingegaard.

I don't think there is anything to see here from this tactics.

 

[RedheadDane]

It was a gift. Simply because it required the best rider in the race (Vingegaard) to work on the front to make it happen. This is the 3rd for Laporte, after Paris-Nice 2022 & GW.

Vingegaard might be the best rider for the GC. He wasn't the best for the stage.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

A lot of people on here really need to learn not to feed the troll...

 

[Lequack]

Jumbo won't even need Sep Kuss in the Tour with all their big guys climbing this well.

 

[Rackham]

By that logic consider also his TdF stage as a gift, because WVA and team chose to ride for Laporte instead of trying another stage win with Wout.

Nope, this is what a cadeau looks like:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1665372297148915713

View: https://twitter.com/LanterneRougeYT/status/1665372297148915713

So what if it is a gift. I helps with 3 things:

1- Help to build your fitness and your tune up for the Tour
2- It shows that they are a great team with great team bonding.
3- It is only common sense, if Laporte goes to the Tour, that he will either return a favor or just bury himself a bit harder for Vingegaard.

I don't think there is anything to see here from this tactics.

Does it? I'm sorry to be the ultra cinic here but what I saw was a team desperate to get a stage win for a Frenchman on French soil. A real team bonding exercise could have been launching Benoot or Van Baarle over the final KOM & forcing other teams to chase. At that point Laporte could sit on the wheels & do the rest himself if there's a bunch sprint.

I only take issue with getting the GC favorite (& current TdF champ) to do that sort of mega pull for Laporte. Doing it for WvA is one thing (even then I vehemently disagreed with the team's repeated attempts to get him a stage win in the Dauphiné last year), but this is on a whole new level.

A lot of people on here really need to learn not to feed the troll...

 

[Netserk]

It was a gift. Simply because it required the best rider in the race (Vingegaard) to work on the front to make it happen. This is the 3rd for Laporte, after Paris-Nice 2022 & GW.

FYI Benoot & Van Baarle are also perfectly capable of stage hunting but the objective here was pretty clear: Laporte gets the stage & the jersey.

People are free to think it's cool, I happen to think it's a little bit overkill from a team which will win GC with Vingegaard in this race.

Overkill is good actually.

I find it somewhat similar to the stage Thomas won when Porte won the overall. As Bruyneel would say: We Might As Well Win.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

People fail to realise that Laporte, aka the greatest, is actually the one who's gifting wins to his teammates by taking a breather on the mountain stages.