Cycle of Lies

[Dave_1]

Uh, me. No doubt I would've walked away. Believe me?

You're different and a woman..not got the aggression and alpha traits that make those cyclists so easy to corrupt . I probably would have done it. It's the thuggish criminal stuff, the deceit and manipulation that are far far more serious than cheating to win bike races and is what needed punished. Cheating to win big races...almost everyone was at that. I can't get too angry really as would need to be at so many

 

[Neworld]

Uh, me. No doubt I would've walked away. Believe me?

I know of 3 Canadian National level riders between 1988 and 1993 that walked after going to Europe and 'knew' they had to inject.

And it had nothing to do with the great excuse "I had nothing else in my life to fall back on."

One went on to be a landscaper who still lays down pain in weekly rides, another became a teacher (rides for fun) and the last made it into Med school (and will never ride again).

The silent voices of the clean, ethical, riders that pulled the pin and ran away from doped cycling are far more numerous than we may ever know.

 

[blackcat]

God knows my sins. I'm a pretty ****ty Christian. I try my best to do the right thing but often fail. I can't stand when people use God or cancer to protect and/or rehabilitate their image. Does my calling out hyprocrisy make me hypocritical because I myself am sinful? Maybe. But that's for an entirely different thread. thanks for the kind words, though

well, Kik might be able to help you with that you know,

she can go on Oprah and make a prayer and everyone hold hands in kumbaya

 

[blackcat]

The silent voices of the clean, ethical, riders that pulled the pin and ran away from doped cycling are far more numerous that we may ever know.

which is my refrain. it is a self-selective sample, we never hear there stories from all the Christophe Basson(s) of the potential peloton

 

[blackcat]

You're different and a woman..not got the aggression and alpha traits that make those cyclists so easy to corrupt . I probably would have done it. It's the thuggish criminal stuff, the deceit and manipulation that are far far more serious than cheating to win bike races and is what needed punished. Cheating to win big races...almost everyone was at that. I can't get too angry really as would need to be at so many

lots of chicks have the A-type personality.

Just will be channelled into a different forum. Either catwalk modelling or getting into Wesleyan or an Ivy.

intuition tells me, the sample is not any different to men. Just men have an alternative outlet (professional sport) that was never a cultural avenue pushing women.

do some psychological appraisal of athletes every four years

4 time Olympic gold medal winner suck on that fagg0ts Stephanie Rice http://blogs.crikey.com.au/fullysic/2010/09/08/the-tweet-that-sank-stephanie-rice-2/

 

[blackcat]

The system selects for dopers.

thisthisthis

 

[rhubroma]

to answer Granville's question, Chewy says it best. I asked Cranky and he said armstrong was a good one day rider but too big to get over the climbs; pre cancer as big as he was there's no way he would've won the Tour.

One thing I'll add is I second blackcat: I too believe the guy was doping since his tri-athlete days. We'll never ever know someone's natural ability when they've been artificially enhanced all their life as a pro. We simply will never know. If you put everyone on the starting line clean, Frankie would never be able to climb but would be strong as an ox; Floyd would be able to climb as well as be strong as an ox; George would've won sprinting stages but not the likes of Cav never ever winning any mountain stages; Tyler, as nice as he is wouldn't have ever made a pro team - the kind that races in Europe. Now that's just my opinion folks. Everything is speculation kinda like, "Hmmm, what kind of Maserati could we have bought had Frankie become a junkie?"

I don't know about that, because I remember back in 88 when he was just a young pup at the Holderness School, NH, he was "wicked" strong as they would say.

 

[TrackCynic]

As doping invariably starts (for most) at an early age, say 18-20, I would have gone straight to my parents and told them that Carmichael and friends were injecting me. Any rider who allowed themselves to be injected without either asking questions themselves or talking to a parent/mentor was just conveniently setting aside both the morality of it and the potential dangers to health. You can certainly be coerced into doing very wrong things when you're 18, but there is always an element of "I know this is a bad thing going on here".

 

[MarkvW]

As doping invariably starts (for most) at an early age, say 18-20, I would have gone straight to my parents and told them that Carmichael and friends were injecting me. Any rider who allowed themselves to be injected without either asking questions themselves or talking to a parent/mentor was just conveniently setting aside both the morality of it and the potential dangers to health. You can certainly be coerced into doing very wrong things when you're 18, but there is always an element of "I know this is a bad thing going on here".

Genevieve Jeanson's parents trusted Aubut. Girl didn't have a chance.

 

[rhubroma]

As doping invariably starts (for most) at an early age, say 18-20, I would have gone straight to my parents and told them that Carmichael and friends were injecting me. Any rider who allowed themselves to be injected without either asking questions themselves or talking to a parent/mentor was just conveniently setting aside both the morality of it and the potential dangers to health. You can certainly be coerced into doing very wrong things when you're 18, but there is always an element of "I know this is a bad thing going on here".

Yea, but then there are those who willingly embrace doping. They don't care and actually derive satisfaction and excitement from it, for which the ethical question doesn't even enter into the discussion. Let alone mom and dad.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Genevieve Jeanson's parents trusted Aubut. Girl didn't have a chance.

Correction:

Her parents were complicit, and empowered Aubut.

 

[MarkvW]

Correction:

Her parents were complicit, and empowered Aubut.

Willfully blind?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

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"Crawford remembers Armstrong's behavior as Oedipal. 'There's never been a father figure in Lance's life that hasn't ended up as a villain,' Crawford says. 'And every girl he has ever dated looked like his mother.'"

Who coined the term "Oedipus Tex?"

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Willfully blind?

Willful and enthusiastic, starting at 16 years old.

 

[ChrisE]

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Who coined the term "Oedipus Tex?"

Get over it. I started calling Maseratti vortex, and the next thing you know Mark is being credited with it.

 

[ChrisE]

Dude, I don't know what you're on but he covered up in much more than cycling.

He duped medicine, politics, popular culture, industry, the whole planet.

Your point is basically meaningless.

I've seen things taken out of context, but this takes the cake.

I was responding to rubarb talking about LA and UCI corruption, and how I say it was corrupt before him.

From that, you extrapolate my reply as meaning I think LA wasn't corrupt in other things. You ask what I am on? Put down the glue.

I bet you're a lot fun at parties.

 

[Granville57]

Get over it. I started calling Maseratti vortex, and the next thing you know Mark is being credited with it.

I knew that Mark was wrongly credited, and was meaning to track down your original.

But...but...was it inspired by...another?
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?p=793525&

 

[rhubroma]

I've seen things taken out of context, but this takes the cake.

I was responding to rubarb talking about LA and UCI corruption, and how I say it was corrupt before him.

From that, you extrapolate my reply as meaning I think LA wasn't corrupt in other things. You ask what I am on? Put down the glue.

I bet you're a lot fun at parties.

Sure it was corrupt before, but it had never worked in such tandem as with the Texan to perpetuate the fraud at the expense of all else. What a price to pay.

 

[MarkvW]

Get over it. I started calling Maseratti vortex, and the next thing you know Mark is being credited with it.

Darn! I always knew Maserati wrongly blamed me for starting that name! I'm innocent! The guilty person has confessed!!!

 

[red_flanders]

Darn! I always knew Maserati wrongly blamed me for starting that name! I'm innocent! The guilty person has confessed!!!

You should have vortexed him on the particulars.

 

[mewmewmew13]

wow I actually had forgotten about POLISH

back OT…Juliet said this is on the nytimes best seller list

@JulietMacur: "Cycle of Lies: The Fall of Lance Armstrong," hit NY Times best seller list in its 1st week! Many thanks to everyone for reading my work.

 

[Granville57]

@JulietMacur: "Cycle of Lies: The Fall of Lance Armstrong," hit NY Times best seller list in its 1st week! Many thanks to everyone for reading my work.

Probably because Stapleton is buying up as many copies as he can in the hopes of concealing the details from the remaining faithful.

 

[MarkvW]

You should have vortexed him on the particulars.

And now I'll never be able to. The guy's a true original.

 

[Granville57]

And now I'll never be able to. The guy's a true original.

But you could pay him the ultimate tribute by taking this discussion to the Sidebar thread.

 

[elizab]

You're different and a woman..not got the aggression and alpha traits that make those cyclists so easy to corrupt . I probably would have done it. It's the thuggish criminal stuff, the deceit and manipulation that are far far more serious than cheating to win bike races and is what needed punished. Cheating to win big races...almost everyone was at that. I can't get too angry really as would need to be at so many

Trust me, a passive weak stay-at-home mom wouldn't have been able to put up with the ongoing smear and attack campaign of the last ten years. I'm a helluva lot stronger than a lot of cyclists who were crying to authorities once they were caught.

I don't know about that, because I remember back in 88 when he was just a young pup at the Holderness School, NH, he was "wicked" strong as they would say.

As I said, it's all my opinion.

As doping invariably starts (for most) at an early age, say 18-20, I would have gone straight to my parents and told them that Carmichael and friends were injecting me. Any rider who allowed themselves to be injected without either asking questions themselves or talking to a parent/mentor was just conveniently setting aside both the morality of it and the potential dangers to health. You can certainly be coerced into doing very wrong things when you're 18, but there is always an element of "I know this is a bad thing going on here".

Bingo.