Dave Brailsford - cycling genius

[PremierAndrew]

Lance Armstrong = I have never tested positive = They have never been able to catch me

Dave Brailsford = We operated 100% within the rules = We haven't been caught breaking the rules

The more this story runs and runs the more it sounds like USPS/Lance Armstrong

DB's close relations with UCI/UKAD
DB's failure to answer questions from established cycling journo's
DB's trying to control the media message/agenda (burying it a the same time as allardyce news broke)
DB's obsessive attention to detail when the message suits his agenda but catastrophic errors of judgement when it doesn't - TUE's, Tiernen Lock, Leanders, Yates, Julich, De Jongh

The only difference is that DB's method is controlling the media message whereas LA did this along with a healthy helping of threats and intimidation.

I think its the beginning of the end for Team Sky, even people I know who don't follow cycling that closely can smell the BS from a mile off.

Very true

 

[DanielSong39]

I'm starting to think more and more that the issue is not doping but the bogus PR.

Sky may have to lay low for a little while. Maybe let another team win Tour de France next year? Or maybe they can use Froome as a sacrificial lamb and see if they can get another leader for the Tour de France.

 

[Benotti69]

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dave b creates a 3rd brit tour winner............i like that................really would be genius

Mark L

Not really. They have Reedie, Sapstead, Cookson and ASO on their side. It would be a failure if they didn't!

 

[DanielSong39]

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dave b creates a 3rd brit tour winner............i like that................really would be genius

Mark L

Geraint Thomas, then?

Don't know about that; I think Landa, Henao, or Poels might be the better choice but you never know.

The Giro and one-week stage races in the spring will probably decide things.

Look, I don't want Sky to be dissolved like US Postal - I just want them to tone down on the bogus PR and stick to standard doping (that means no more Cancellara motor bikes or stage neutralizations).

 

[MmeDesgrange]

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dave b creates a 3rd brit tour winner............i like that................really would be genius

Mark L

Geraint Thomas, then?

Don't know about that; I think Landa, Henao, or Poels might be the better choice but you never know.

The Giro and one-week stage races in the spring will probably decide things.

Look, I don't want Sky to be dissolved like US Postal - I just want them to tone down on the bogus PR and stick to standard doping (that means no more Cancellara motor bikes or stage neutralizations).

Geraint Thomas was long ago designated the chosen one - but then along came Froome, out of the blue...

Anyway, I thought Brailsford's next great project was a French Tour de France winner?

 

[tretiak]

Brailsford's only project is to tell the truth about the TUE story.

 

[doperhopper]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/the-sound-of-silence-brailsford-sky-and-the-questions-still-to-be-answered/

that nice little story about Astana being tipped about anti-doping officials arriving at Tenerife... and Brailsford complaining to UKAD - now about what?

Most probably being just upset that SOMEONE ELSE also knows.

 

[Benotti69]

Jorge Jaksche, Dr Conor McGrane and Dr Dr Armand Megret calling out Brailsford and Wiggins.

'Brailsford’s claim not to know corticosteroids were performance-enhancing was similarly unconvincing.' In spade calling spade talk, he lied!

Jaksche says;

“We know Team Sky’s approach – marginal gains, testing everything, blah blah. If there is no documentation, it could be a false medical justification. In that case, you get punished with a four year ban.”

Dr Armand Megret, an expert for the Movement for Credible Cycling group.

“There is no logic in injecting yourself with Kenacort [Triamcinolone acetonide] before the start of a Grand Tour,” he told L’Equipe this week.

Dr Conor McGrane Cycling Ireland doctor;

"The actual phrase that is used [in medicine] is that the risk-benefit ratio for steroid injections is unacceptable.”

So Sky lied, Wiggins lied and Brailsford lied. Wiggins did not need injections for illness and deserves a 4 year ban.

 

[DanielSong39]

Jorge Jaksche, Dr Conor McGrane and Dr Dr Armand Megret calling out Brailsford and Wiggins.

'Brailsford’s claim not to know corticosteroids were performance-enhancing was similarly unconvincing.' In spade calling spade talk, he lied!

Jaksche says;

“We know Team Sky’s approach – marginal gains, testing everything, blah blah. If there is no documentation, it could be a false medical justification. In that case, you get punished with a four year ban.”

Dr Armand Megret, an expert for the Movement for Credible Cycling group.

“There is no logic in injecting yourself with Kenacort [Triamcinolone acetonide] before the start of a Grand Tour,” he told L’Equipe this week.

Dr Conor McGrane Cycling Ireland doctor;

"The actual phrase that is used [in medicine] is that the risk-benefit ratio for steroid injections is unacceptable.”

So Sky lied, Wiggins lied and Brailsford lied. Wiggins did not need injections for illness and deserves a 4 year ban.

Wiggins banned himself for 4 years; when was the last time he started the Tour de France?

I want to see him back in a Grand Tour.

 

[Benotti69]

Jorge Jaksche, Dr Conor McGrane and Dr Dr Armand Megret calling out Brailsford and Wiggins.

'Brailsford’s claim not to know corticosteroids were performance-enhancing was similarly unconvincing.' In spade calling spade talk, he lied!

Jaksche says;

“We know Team Sky’s approach – marginal gains, testing everything, blah blah. If there is no documentation, it could be a false medical justification. In that case, you get punished with a four year ban.”

Dr Armand Megret, an expert for the Movement for Credible Cycling group.

“There is no logic in injecting yourself with Kenacort [Triamcinolone acetonide] before the start of a Grand Tour,” he told L’Equipe this week.

Dr Conor McGrane Cycling Ireland doctor;

"The actual phrase that is used [in medicine] is that the risk-benefit ratio for steroid injections is unacceptable.”

So Sky lied, Wiggins lied and Brailsford lied. Wiggins did not need injections for illness and deserves a 4 year ban.

Wiggins banned himself for 4 years; when was the last time he started the Tour de France?

I want to see him back in a Grand Tour.

Not the same.

Wiggins lost his bottle in the Giro2013 and realised Froome embarrassed him at TdF2012.

He wont ride a GT again. In fact things are not looking rosey for his future.

 

[MmeDesgrange]

Is it me, or did Sir Dave look as much like a human X-ray in that BBC interview as his riders do?

 

[thehog]

Kinda fun watching the cycling genius run around like a mad case? Are you tapping my phone! Lol!! :lol:

 

[Huapango]

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Is it me, or did Sir Dave look as much like a human X-ray in that BBC interview as his riders do?

He's such a perfectionist that he tests out all the PEDs on himself before the riders get to. Kind of like Salazar with his son at Nike.

 

[Benotti69]

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Is it me, or did Sir Dave look as much like a human X-ray in that BBC interview as his riders do?

He's such a perfectionist that he tests out all the PEDs on himself before the riders get to. Kind of like Salazar with his son at Nike.

Or Doc Fuentes or even Michele Ferrari's kids.

 

[sniper]

Kinda fun watching the cycling genius run around like a mad case? Are you tapping my phone! Lol!! :lol:

absolutely stellar work from Matt Lawton getting the lies and twisting and spinning on the record.

 

[sniper]

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Is it me, or did Sir Dave look as much like a human X-ray in that BBC interview as his riders do?

He's such a perfectionist that he tests out all the PEDs on himself before the riders get to. Kind of like Salazar with his son at Nike.

Or Doc Fuentes or even Michele Ferrari's kids.

i think this is par for the course for every self respecting doping team.
the most important role for soigneurs and other staff is to fix and test PEDs.
after all, there isn't much literature on the workings of those substances, as most 'sports scientists' are too busy pretending PEDs don't exist.
Team Sky is one of most elucidating cases in point.
There's not a single staff member who hasn't been in contact with dope prior to working for sky.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Poor DB has been fending a lot of pesky phone calls from the Daily Mail recently

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3825848/Sir-Bradley-Wiggins-Sir-Dave-Brailsford-package-delivered-Team-Sky-Sportsmail-investigation.html

Last Wednesday, September 27, concluded with another flurry of messages from Brailsford. It was around midnight. In one he asked if the Daily Mail was 'tapping my phone?' I said we certainly were not. 'This is getting a bit strange and complicated,' he added.

 

[sniper]

I think i just found Sir Dave:

 

[B_Ugli]

Bizarrely I think that whilst doping is at the heart of this story, I actually think the journos are moving this forward by trying to catching DB/SKY out now.

I suppose if the ends justify the means then whatever works.

DB is like Teflon, he can spin a version of events, facts and whatever to suit his own agenda.

So what the journos seem to be doing is to keep hitting DB and Sky with a new curveball (on which they have a source for the true facts) and giving him an opportunity to lie about it.

Quite clever when you think about it: -

heres a trap...........
heres another trap ............
heres another trap..............
heres another trap..............

And here are the facts - step forward source/witness, now what do you say Dave??

 

[Huapango]

Bizarrely I think that whilst doping is at the heart of this story, I actually think the journos are moving this forward by trying to catching DB/SKY out now.

I suppose if the ends justify the means then whatever works.

DB is like Teflon, he can spin a version of events, facts and whatever to suit his own agenda.

So what the journos seem to be doing is to keep hitting DB and Sky with a new curveball (on which they have a source for the true facts) and giving him an opportunity to lie about it.

Quite clever when you think about it: -

heres a trap...........
heres another trap ............
heres another trap..............
heres another trap..............

And here are the facts - step forward source/witness, now what do you say Dave??

Sometimes, smart people don't realize there are smarter people in the world who can see through their BS.

 

[Puckfiend]

It is all really simple:
If you tell the truth, and continue to tell the truth; then there is only one narrative.

When you lie, then you start having to keep up with who you told what, and sooner or later you get bit in the arse. Simple really.

 

[thehog]

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It is all really simple:
If you tell the truth, and continue to tell the truth; then there is only one narrative.

When you lie, then you start having to keep up with who you told what, and sooner or later you get bit in the ****. Simple really.

I can certainly see why staying silent was the best strategy!

 

[Lyon]

As has been said here many times before (much better than I can do) the kind of strategy that Sky has chosen to follow (right from the start) is dependent on other peoples silence (if not outright cooperation) to work. Outwardly you weave a web of plausible lies, inwardly you promise that everything will continue as before. Once there is a crack on either side of the dam, you are done for.

 

[Benotti69]

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As has been said here many times before (much better than I can do) the kind of strategy that Sky has chosen to follow (right from the start) is dependent on other peoples silence (if not outright cooperation) to work. Outwardly you weave a web of plausible lies, inwardly you promise that everything will continue as before. Once there is a crack on either side of the dam, you are done for.

Yep and some will walk away from the final crash unscathed while others will be marked for their lifetime by it.

 

[keeponrollin]

Re: Re:

Is it me, or did Sir Dave look as much like a human X-ray in that BBC interview as his riders do?

He's such a perfectionist that he tests out all the PEDs on himself before the riders get to. Kind of like Salazar with his son at Nike.

Or Doc Fuentes or even Michele Ferrari's kids.

i think this is par for the course for every self respecting doping team.
the most important role for soigneurs and other staff is to fix and test PEDs.
after all, there isn't much literature on the workings of those substances, as most 'sports scientists' are too busy pretending PEDs don't exist.
Team Sky is one of most elucidating cases in point.
There's not a single staff member who hasn't been in contact with dope prior to working for sky.

One wonders if these experiments ever go wrong ?

Leinders was brought into Team Sky on a freelance basis in 2010 after the death of soigneur Txema Gonzalez during the 2010 Tour of Spain (Vuelta a España). The 43-year-old Spaniard died from septic shock after contracting a bacterial infection, his illness coinciding with an unrelated virus that swept through the team’s riders.

The team withdrew from the race following the death of Gonzalez. Brailsford later said that the team’s original policy of employing only doctors from the United Kingdom who had no connection with road cycling in Europe left it ill-prepared to deal with some medical problems.