Dave Millar - anti doping hero

[BYOP88]

It is only 30mins so would not expect an answer!

The only ones that will get answered are the 'you guys are awesome etc' etc etc hard questions will be unseen by St. David of Millar eyes.

 

[Digger]

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_15175682

If he had stood up and manned up four years ago, he'd be racing the Tour de France now," Millar said. "He'd have a different book out. He'd have not lost a penny. He'd be admired by young people. He would have a different life ahead of him. He'd be in a decent mental state. He'd be sober.

"And he'd be married."

However, many in cycling believe doping was widespread in the early 2000s. How does anyone know Landis is lying?

"That's the problem," Millar said. "Now he's lost the ability to tell the truth whether it is or not. That's what's despicable about it - and sad. Because I'm sure there's truth in some of it. But it doesn't mean anything anymore."

Added McQuaid: "It's possible there's certain elements of truth but it's possible there are certain elements of lies. Therefore, that discredits everything he said."

 

[Dr. Maserati]

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_15175682

I know you have a lot of time for Floyd (me too) - but do you agree or disagree with then points Millar made?

1) If he had stood up and manned up four years ago, he'd be racing the Tour de France now," Millar said.
2) "He'd have a different book out.
3) He'd have not lost a penny.
4) He'd be admired by young people.
5) He would have a different life ahead of him.
6) He'd be in a decent mental state.
7) He'd be sober.
Millar made 7 points - what is your view?

 

[sniper]

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_15175682

pretty despicable comments by millar.
what a miserable opportunistic bunghole.

 

[thehog]

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_15175682

It's what known as the "appeal to authority" to sound convincing in your argument. When you have no argument.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/authorit.html

Miller used drugs, lied about it, continued to lie about the extent or his usage, lied about Garmont to protect himself, White and O'Gardy.

Miller drank and excessive amounts during his suspension, went off the rails, was in debt and was saved by his sister, JV, the French tax system and British Cycling.

Miller was in no position to pass judgement as he did and sound like some form of authority on that matter. Often you find those who still carry guilt from lying themselves push their negative energy on to others.

Miller is joke. And I think he knows it as well.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

It's what known as the "appeal to authority" to sound convincing of your argument. When you have no argument.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/authorit.html

Miller used drugs, lied about it, continued to lie about the extent or his usage, lied about Garmont to protect himself, White and O'Gardy.

Miller drank and excessive amounts during his suspension, went off the rails, was in debt and was saved by his sister, JV, the French tax system and British Cycling.

Miller was in no position to pass judgement as he did and sound like some form of authority on that matter. Often you find those who still carry guilt from lying themselves push their negative energy in to others.

Miller is joke. And I think he knows it as well.

Actually - that is exactly what makes hims a good authority on the subject.
He knows what doping does and what it costs, both financially and emotionally.

Good post Hog.

 

[Digger]

pretty despicable comments by millar.
what a miserable opportunistic bunghole.

Didn't stop him making seventy grand or so on the lance movie as a consultant. A movie which would never have been made without Floyd. Hypocrite.
Plus he admits himself he would never have come forward workout being arrested. And for how long did he say he only doped three times...

 

[hiero2]

I know you have a lot of time for Floyd (me too) - but do you agree or disagree with then points Millar made?

1) If he had stood up and manned up four years ago, he'd be racing the Tour de France now," Millar said.
2) "He'd have a different book out.
3) He'd have not lost a penny.
4) He'd be admired by young people.
5) He would have a different life ahead of him.
6) He'd be in a decent mental state.
7) He'd be sober.
Millar made 7 points - what is your view?

Hmm. The article is already 4 years old. And, they are looking into the past from there. So, a bit of the way-back machine goin' on, eh?

Today, it sounds to me like Millar is more angry over the upset Landis caused then what his words want us to believe. And, obviously in retrospect, none of the things Millar said "woulda been", WOULD have been if Landis had taken the action Millar recommended - i.e. "manning up". If you remember the sequence of events clearly, Landis did give a quick foray into the "manning up" ring, only to get a quick beat-down and an equally quick withdrawal into full-blown omerta. If he had stuck to the "manning up" guns, he would have been a complete pariah to the peloton.

 

[thehog]

Hmm. The article is already 4 years old. And, they are looking into the past from there. So, a bit of the way-back machine goin' on, eh?

Today, it sounds to me like Millar is more angry over the upset Landis caused then what his words want us to believe. And, obviously in retrospect, none of the things Millar said "woulda been", WOULD have been if Landis had taken the action Millar recommended - i.e. "manning up". If you remember the sequence of events clearly, Landis did give a quick foray into the "manning up" ring, only to get a quick beat-down and an equally quick withdrawal into full-blown omerta. If he had stuck to the "manning up" guns, he would have been a complete pariah to the peloton.

Miller appeared upset that someone was muscling in on his "anti-doping crusade" with the actual reality rather than Miller's saccharine view.

 

[Digger]

Hmm. The article is already 4 years old. And, they are looking into the past from there. So, a bit of the way-back machine goin' on, eh?

Today, it sounds to me like Millar is more angry over the upset Landis caused then what his words want us to believe. And, obviously in retrospect, none of the things Millar said "woulda been", WOULD have been if Landis had taken the action Millar recommended - i.e. "manning up". If you remember the sequence of events clearly, Landis did give a quick foray into the "manning up" ring, only to get a quick beat-down and an equally quick withdrawal into full-blown omerta. If he had stuck to the "manning up" guns, he would have been a complete pariah to the peloton.

Do what Millar says, eventhough he didn't do it himself, then it's impossible to tell the truth without implicating lance. Implicate lance abd tell the truth then you never ride pro again.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Do what Millar says, eventhough he didn't do it himself, then it's impossible to tell the truth without implicating lance. Implicate lance abd tell the truth then you never ride pro again.

Lance? Sure - but the implication has always been about Omertà within the sport.
Doing any kind of talking about others means "you never ride Pro again" - the point always is at best admit what you did, no-one else.

 

[blackcat]

I know you have a lot of time for Floyd (me too) - but do you agree or disagree with then points Millar made?

1) If he had stood up and manned up four years ago, he'd be racing the Tour de France now," Millar said.
2) "He'd have a different book out.
3) He'd have not lost a penny.
4) He'd be admired by young people.
5) He would have a different life ahead of him.
6) He'd be in a decent mental state.
7) He'd be sober.
Millar made 7 points - what is your view?

Millar beats Landis on the scale of psychopathic compulsive liar by about 5 fold.

 

[Digger]

Millar isn't even liked by certain people close to him that you'd think would get on with him. What an amazing pr***.

 

[thehog]

Millar beats Landis on the scale of psychopathic compulsive liar by about 5 fold.

A personal favourite:

"At the January 2004 Cofidis Team presentation, David Millar wearing the world champions winners band on his jersey (ITT) said 'I don't want to comment on this (Gaumont affair) - except to say that I have never used drugs, and I am convinced that this controversy doesn't include anyone else in the team. I wish to re-iterate I have never used illegal products'.

 

[Digger]

A personal favourite:

"At the January 2004 Cofidis Team presentation, David Millar wearing the world champions winners band on his jersey (ITT) said 'I don't want to comment on this (Gaumont affair) - except to say that I have never used drugs, and I am convinced that this controversy doesn't include anyone else in the team. I wish to re-iterate I have never used illegal products'.

Dude!!! He went as far as taking legal proceedings against Kimmage for a piece Kimmage was doing on Millar cofidis and gaumount. Four weeks later he was in a cell.
Good old Matt Rendell wrote a letter of complaint to the times about Kimmage going after Millar. When Millar got busted there wasn't a letter of apology.
So this British media wilful ignorance isn't new. And there are some exceptions.

 

[sniper]

Dude!!! He went as far as taking legal proceedings against Kimmage for a piece Kimmage was doing on Millar cofidis and gaumount. Four weeks later he was in a cell.
Good old Matt Rendell wrote a letter of complaint to the times about Kimmage going after Millar. When Millar got busted there wasn't a letter of apology.
So this British media wilful ignorance isn't new. And there are some exceptions.

unlike floyd, millar managed to a$$lick his way back into the peloton.
is that what millar means when he says floyd should've 'manned up'?

 

[ustabe]

unlike floyd, millar managed to a$$lick his way back into the peloton.

Yeah, but that's what it takes. On the other hand, Landis tried to "Armstrong" his way out of it, and by the time he was ready to give up all his bridges were burned.

My take in Millar is that he's not terribly courageous, he overplays his importance, and he's too critical of others while he falls short of expectations. He's more perceptive and literate than the average rider but not smart enough to see that most people don't like smartasses. In spite of his limitations I think his presence is positive.

 

[ralphbert]

Every time I see Millar interviewed on telly I want to punch the screen fair in the gob. IMO he is a whiny dandy puffed up with his own importance.

 

[The Hitch]

Never forget what Millar said about Contador in 2011.

"Does anybody out there seriously doubt that Contador was riding clean in the Giro d'Italia that has just finished? You don't win the biggest races in the world with such clockwork regularity and comparative ease, and in such style, by not being the supreme talent and clean. In my experience the profile of a doper is always much more erratic and unpredictable.”

The above should be the cycling equivalent of what in politics is a clip of a politician having an extra marital affair.

That he is taken up as the anti doping expert, and was asked on bbc if he would consider running for the UCI Pres job (which he said he would consider), is a joke.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Never forget what Millar said about Contador in 2011.



The above should be the cycling equivalent of what in politics is a clip of a politician having an extra marital affair.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...e-Dark-The-Fall-and-Rise-of-David-Millar.html

I realise it's far fetched, but I am wondering if he had an idea Sky were going to do just that, dominate so convincingly. And Millar wanted to start the ball rolling that constant domination == clean. Like Brailsford saying constant climbing == clean. Until Froome's insane accelerations, of course.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Sky is mentioned again, come onnnnnnnnnnnnn.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...e-Dark-The-Fall-and-Rise-of-David-Millar.html

I realise it's far fetched, but I am wondering if he had an idea Sky were going to do just that, dominate so convincingly. And Millar wanted to start the ball rolling that constant domination == clean. Like Brailsford saying constant climbing == clean. Until Froome's insane accelerations, of course.

This one is great:

He dabbled and to be honest is not even sure if EPO actually helped much, certainly his best rides were almost all clean including his TDF Prologue win in 2000 his stage in at Castres in 2002 and, obviously his stage wins at the Giro and Vuelta since he returned from his two year ban.

David never needed Edgar.

More comedy:

He believes totally in Classics King Philippe Gilbert – "the best and nicest man in the entire sport and a genius on a bike " and the time-trialling beast that is Fabian Cancellera. He believes in Mark Cavendish, and Bradley Wiggins, all his various colleagues at Garmin, his best mate Stuart O'Grady and many other conspicuously successful riders.

"The rest of us mere mortals have 'magic days' when every so often when we can take on the world. Contador's default setting is a 'magic day'. His only departure from the norm is when he experiences merely an average day. They are the only two levels he rides at. My strong instinct is to trust that."

David, the reverse clinician, what a gullible goat.

 

[D-Queued]

Millar beats Landis on the scale of psychopathic compulsive liar by about 5 fold.

Whoa!

He surpasses the Lancester.

Is this the new race?

Dave.

 

[happychappy]

Every time I see Millar interviewed on telly I want to punch the screen fair in the gob. IMO he is a whiny dandy puffed up with his own importance.

This perfectly sums up how I feel about David Millar. I just don't want to damage my fancy TV for this worthless lying snake.

David, the reverse clinician, what a gullible goat.

He's not gullible, he knows exactly what he's saying is nonsense. It's a deliberate slap in the face to the people who ARE gullible (the people who bought his ****ty ghostwritten book and the people who think the Tour can be won cleanz).

 

[Digger]

This perfectly sums up how I feel about David Millar. I just don't want to damage my fancy TV for this worthless lying snake.




He's not gullible, he knows exactly what he's saying is nonsense. It's a deliberate slap in the face to the people who ARE gullible (the people who bought his ****ty ghostwritten book and the people who think the Tour can be won cleanz).

It's all about sponsors for me...it's disgusting...I can't believe for one second he believes the stuff he says....He doped himself...he's not naive.