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Tim Cahill

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pastronef

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Rob5091 said:
Gee has 3 more years on his contract with Israel PT so if, as rumoured, Ineos have bought him out then it'll be costly.
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that's where the stand by in the 2026 comes from, they're fine, no slovenian masseur saga is bothering them. go Dave!
 
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Brullnux

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tobydawq said:
Apparently, he will break free of his contract to move to Ineos and that's the reason he isn't in the Vuelta.

A new Uijtdebroeks case?
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IPT have announced that Gee has has tried to terminate his contract with them. IPT reject this, so this will drag on a bit I imagine.
 
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IPT have announced that Gee has has tried to terminate his contract with them. IPT reject this, so this will drag on a bit I imagine.
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that might be a very personal issue for adamas since he saw himself as the one who drafted Gee to the team, and he knew is father well.
 
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Brullnux

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Gee to Ineos is an interesting one. Gee gives them a genuine option for GT podiums, but (GC) Gee is a grinder, not a take the race by the scruff of the neck type, which is more in line with pre-2025 Ineos. Does this mean a return to old ways for Ineos?
 
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Brullnux

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aruipksni said:
that might be a very personal issue for adamas since he saw himself as the one who drafted Gee to the team, and he knew is father well.
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It's not a huge surprise, sporting-wise Ineos are still way ahead of IPT. I don't think money was the kicker here, I think it is more that Gee only has a handful of years at the top of cycling and he signed himself on to a pretty mediocre team to spend them at.
 
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Brullnux said:
Gee to Ineos is an interesting one. Gee gives them a genuine option for GT podiums, but (GC) Gee is a grinder, not a take the race by the scruff of the neck type, which is more in line with pre-2025 Ineos. Does this mean a return to old ways for Ineos?
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I guess it depends a lot on how much room for improvement he has left. I think he can take the next step, but he also needs to take that step to lead Ineos in a GT.
 
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He ain't Belgian and Israel isn't a European team (maybe they legally are not sure). This won't be as easy as other unilateral terminations (or threatening to do it). Interesting case. Maybe just don't sign a five year contract...
 
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Brullnux

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Samamba said:
He ain't Belgian and Israel isn't a European team. This won't be as easy as other unilateral terminations (or threatening to do it). Interesting case. Maybe just don't sign a five year contract...
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It's not a given that the contract isn't under some sort of European law (like English law, which is fairly common for Israeli companies), beyond the fact it'll also be affected by UCI regs.

From Israel's standpoint it's better to reach a cash agreement with Ineos that covers their expected financial loss without Gee than force Gee to stay. I think it is inevitable that if more money enters cycling (especially the top teams), then transfers will start to resemble football, unless UCI put a stop to it.
 
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Samamba said:
He ain't Belgian and Israel isn't a European team (maybe they legally are not sure). This won't be as easy as other unilateral terminations (or threatening to do it). Interesting case. Maybe just don't sign a five year contract...
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If this goes through and ends with a penalty of less than a couple of millions, then Israel will for sure no longer sign long contracts. You risk a Froome, and can't capture the full value of Gee.
 
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Brullnux said:
It's not a given that the contract isn't under some sort of European law (like English law, which is fairly common for Israeli companies), beyond the fact it'll also be affected by UCI regs.
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UCI regulations don't have an opening for unilateral terminations, that's the whole point. The reason why Belgian riders for example can do it is cause their own law protects them way too much (they are seen as normal employees) and thus makes it easy and possible.
 
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Netserk said:
If this goes through and ends with a penalty of less than a couple of millions, then Israel will for sure no longer sign long contracts. You risk a Froome, and can't capture the full value of Gee.
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Everyone should just start working with ridiculous buy out clauses like UAEU, but then again, I think there is the problem, not every team can, cause it isn't possible under every law. The UCI really needs to start doing something about it now, it's getting very problematic if certain teams even have these kind of advantages.
 
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I think a fair price for Israel would be a compensation in the range of 4-8 million euros. And maybe that's on the low side for the best Canadian rider on a team with a Canadian sponsor. They could plausibly ask for €12M.
 
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Samamba said:
Everyone should just start working with ridiculous buy out clauses like UAEU, but then again, I think there is the problem, not every team can, cause it isn't possible under every law. The UCI really needs to start doing something about it now, it's getting very problematic if certain teams even have these kind of advantages.
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Just allow a transfer system
 
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Berniece said:
Just allow a transfer system
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A transfer system similar to what has been deemed illegal by the EU courts?
You don't understand it, the difference between countries and their laws is becoming increasingly problematic in sports, and in cycling in particular (cause it has a competition across borders and even continents). When not every team or rider has to follow the same rules/laws it's a problem.
 
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Tim Cahill

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Similarly hard to enforce a spending cap due to the variations in tax rates I think, you might end up with 20 World Tour teams operating out of the Cayman Islands.

Anyway I think Gees 2023 contract was somewhere in the region of €3m over 5 years but it’s hard to find a concrete source.
 
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Samamba said:
A transfer system similar to what has been deemed illegal by the EU courts?
You don't understand it, the difference between countries and their laws is becoming increasingly problematic in sports, and in cycling in particular (cause it has a competition across borders and even continents). When not every team or rider has to follow the same rules/laws it's a problem.
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Yes, such a system. I don’t see a problem with it, and would even help smaller teams generate money
 
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