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With Oliver Cookson, Roger Hammond (ex-Discovery/T-mobile) and Rolf Aldag (ex-T-mobile/QSPS) in the ranks as a DSs, I'm expecting a lot from this team.

Cav for a hattrick, at least.

But I doubt that'll be all.
 
sniper said:
With Oliver Cookson, Roger Hammond (ex-Discovery/T-mobile) and Rolf Aldag (ex-T-mobile/QSPS) in the ranks as a DSs, I'm expecting a lot from this team.

Cav for a hattrick, at least.

But I doubt that'll be all.
No way that will be all. It's looking like the old EBH is back and now Cummings will want to stick it to the Olympics selectors too.

I'm also expecting Meintjes and Teklehaimanot to continue improving. Having said that they are both very solid riders to begin with.
 
42x16ss said:
sniper said:
With Oliver Cookson, Roger Hammond (ex-Discovery/T-mobile) and Rolf Aldag (ex-T-mobile/QSPS) in the ranks as a DSs, I'm expecting a lot from this team.

Cav for a hattrick, at least.

But I doubt that'll be all.
No way that will be all. It's looking like the old EBH is back and now Cummings will want to stick it to the Olympics selectors too.

I'm also expecting Meintjes and Teklehaimanot to continue improving. Having said that they are both very solid riders to begin with.

Meintjes is now a Lampre rider, :p
 
Ricco' said:
42x16ss said:
sniper said:
With Oliver Cookson, Roger Hammond (ex-Discovery/T-mobile) and Rolf Aldag (ex-T-mobile/QSPS) in the ranks as a DSs, I'm expecting a lot from this team.

Cav for a hattrick, at least.

But I doubt that'll be all.
No way that will be all. It's looking like the old EBH is back and now Cummings will want to stick it to the Olympics selectors too.

I'm also expecting Meintjes and Teklehaimanot to continue improving. Having said that they are both very solid riders to begin with.

Meintjes is now a Lampre rider, :p
Yep :lol: my bad!

Either way, I'm confident that Dimension Data will have a solid TDF.
 
sniper said:
With Oliver Cookson, Roger Hammond (ex-Discovery/T-mobile) and Rolf Aldag (ex-T-mobile/QSPS) in the ranks as a DSs, I'm expecting a lot from this team.

Cav for a hattrick, at least.

But I doubt that'll be all.

Wins a stage, new thread. Welcome to TdF where the spotlight is he brightest.
 
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well yeah.
this would normally be just another world tour team packed with plain and obvious dopers and ex-dopers, linking straight back to some of the most epic doping teams the peloton has ever known (T-Mobile, QSPS, and USPS).
Nothing new there.
But here we suddenly have the UCI president's son on the payroll as a DS.

Are you *** kidding me?
Is cycling so *** up and corrupt these days that we should just move on from this? SSDD?

How can Cookson's antidoping efforts be taken seriously whilst his son is among those he should be policing?
Every rider testing positive under Cookson's reign will automatically and logically lead to suspicions of favoritism and bias. This constellation opens Cookson up to accusations of corruption.
Is there any other sport with a similarly blatant conflict of interest completely undermining the credibility of the governing body and their antidoping efforts?
 
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Valv.Piti said:
sniper said:
With Oliver Cookson, Roger Hammond (ex-Discovery/T-mobile) and Rolf Aldag (ex-T-mobile/QSPS) in the ranks as a DSs, I'm expecting a lot from this team.

Cav for a hattrick, at least.

But I doubt that'll be all.

Wins a stage, new thread. Welcome to TdF where the spotlight is he brightest.
Agreed. The Clinic has got to the point of caricaturising itself.
 
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CheckMyPecs said:
Valv.Piti said:
sniper said:
With Oliver Cookson, Roger Hammond (ex-Discovery/T-mobile) and Rolf Aldag (ex-T-mobile/QSPS) in the ranks as a DSs, I'm expecting a lot from this team.

Cav for a hattrick, at least.

But I doubt that'll be all.

Wins a stage, new thread. Welcome to TdF where the spotlight is he brightest.
Agreed. The Clinic has got to the point of caricaturising itself.
The Clinic has?
I'd say cycling has.
Such a blatant conflict of interest between police and policed, and the press and fans just collectively ignore it.
But hey, if you like to be taken for a ride...
 
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sniper said:
CheckMyPecs said:
Valv.Piti said:
sniper said:
With Oliver Cookson, Roger Hammond (ex-Discovery/T-mobile) and Rolf Aldag (ex-T-mobile/QSPS) in the ranks as a DSs, I'm expecting a lot from this team.

Cav for a hattrick, at least.

But I doubt that'll be all.

Wins a stage, new thread. Welcome to TdF where the spotlight is he brightest.
Agreed. The Clinic has got to the point of caricaturising itself.
The Clinic has?
I'd say cycling has.
Such a blatant conflict of interest between police and policed, and the press and fans just collectively ignore it.
But hey, if you like to be taken for a ride...
So a rider winning a sprint stage is good enough reason to implicitly accuse a whole team of doping?
 
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that's a strawman.

There is a blatant conflict of interest here that makes me doubt this team will be properly policed.
But if you prefer gullibility over scrutiny, that's fine, no offense taken.
 
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This is pretty *** incredible, if you ask me.

Gaping conflicts of interest, explicit endorsement of doping, and with Oliver Cookson at DD, a bad taste of nepotism.
Par for the course for UCI/Cookson.

https://crankpunkoriginal.com/2015/03/09/uci-employing-former-doper-man-behind-mtn-qhubeka-also-responsible-for-development-of-african-talent/

March 2015 - UCI employing former doper – man behind MTN-Qhubeka feeder team also responsible for development of African talent

Speaking last week ahead of the release of the findings of the CIRC report, UCI President Brian Cookson spoke of the need to ‘define who is a fit and proper person’ to have in the sport.

“We want to be able to look at what happened in order to avoid falling into the same traps,” he said. “We would also like to have some guidelines to help us, for example, with defining who is a fit and proper person to work in or around a team – bosses, coaches, directeurs sportifs, doctors etc. We need clear ethical criteria that allow for a proper assessment.”

It appears that the need for such guidelines is as pressing as ever given the fact that even the UCI does not seem quite sure how to decide who is fit and proper even when it comes to their own recruitment, as at least one former doper is in their employ.

Jean-Pierre van Zyl (known as JP) is a former South African professional cyclist who is the director of the African Continental Centre and also the man at the helm for MTN-Qhubeka’s feeder team, as well as being a delegate for the UCI. JP is also known to some as a rider who tested positive in 1999 for the banned substance Testosterone/Epitestsotrone.

JP van Zyl is also described as being a ‘mentor’ to Daniel Teklehaimanot, the Eritrean rider who signed for GreenEdge in 2012 and who now rides for MTN-Qhubeka.

Cookson definitely knows who van Zyl is, as the two are pictured here outside the UCI World Cycling Centre in Aigle, Switzerland, just last year. This very image appeared on the UCI website.

van-zyl-1.jpg


Once again the depth of the problem in our sport is revealed by the long tendrils of doping. The sooner these ‘guidelines’ are revealed to us the better – and I am sure Brian Cookson will agree.

JP van Zyl’s connection to MTN-Qhubeka is one that will raise eyebrows, as the team’s founder Douglas Ryder is known for strong anti-doping comments.

On February 23rd this year, Ryder was quoted on The Outer Line saying “Why should people who cheated in the past continue to earn their living in pro cycling now? It’s not fair.”

Indeed it’s not. What will happen next remains to be seen.

Further from a Cyclingtips article on Van Zyl and the WCCA:
The WCCA was established in 2005 and has helped develop riders such as Tsgabu Grmay, Youcef Reguigui, Merhawi Kudus, Natnael Berhane and Adrien Niyonshuti. Daniel Teklehaymanot and Dan Craven have also used the centre. Many of these are now part of the MTN-Qhubeka/Team Dimension Data squad.
http://cyclingtips.com/2015/11/change-of-focus-for-world-cycling-centre-africa-after-mtn-qhubekadimension-data-decides-to-run-separate-development-programme/
How do you like them apples.

And is Johann Van Zyl, who rides for Dimension Data, family of UCI's JP van Zyl?
http://africasteam.com/2015/12/31/johann-van-zyl/

I give up.
 
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blackcat said:
sniper said:
that's a strawman.

There is a blatant conflict of interest here that makes me doubt this team will be properly policed.
But if you prefer gullibility over scrutiny, that's fine, no offense taken.

choose life
choose a car
choose smack
choose gullibility
choose marx
choose opium
choose religion
choose masses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCxgqHqakXc
:D

So is it in-****-credible? Or *** incredible?
 
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checkmypecs, if you dont got anything to contribute please just put the thread on your ignore list.
 
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Re:

honest question, sure.
irrelevant question, also.
do you actually enjoy the Clinic?
if not, don't feel compelled to post here ;)
 
Re: Re:

sniper said:
honest question, sure.
irrelevant question, also.
do you actually enjoy the Clinic?
if not, just ignore it. ;)

I was just interested since I don't ever see you in the road racing forum. Irrelevant, yes, but so is so much else. Just curious.

Sometimes, some topics, but I think some members (not you) are way too pessimistic to ever enjoy it here.
 

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CheckMyPecs said:
Valv.Piti said:
sniper said:
With Oliver Cookson, Roger Hammond (ex-Discovery/T-mobile) and Rolf Aldag (ex-T-mobile/QSPS) in the ranks as a DSs, I'm expecting a lot from this team.

Cav for a hattrick, at least.

But I doubt that'll be all.

Wins a stage, new thread. Welcome to TdF where the spotlight is he brightest.
Agreed. The Clinic has got to the point of caricaturising itself.

Comes 5th, new thread. Welcome to TdF where the spotlight is he brightest.
 
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Don't think there is a thread on Team Dimension Data. Cav winning a stage merely highlights that. There is no testing in Africa or accredited WADA labs at present IIRC. So that is handy.
 
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Benotti69 said:
Don't think there is a thread on Team Dimension Data. Cav winning a stage merely highlights that. There is no testing in Africa or accredited WADA labs at present IIRC. So that is handy.

Yes, because they only ever ride or train in Africa... :idea: