Disc brakes on road bikes...

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Bustedknuckle, that was a great article! Funny thing, James is very much pro disc brake for road bikes. He knows

http://cyclingtips.com/2016/04/opinion-how-the-uci-and-manufacturers-collectively-bungled-the-disc-brake-trial/

http://www.bikeradar.com/us/road/gear/article/disc-brakes-everything-you-need-to-know-bikeradar-45859/

https://twitter.com/angryasian/status/724652157421518848

But his go to bike, the one he rides the most, even on dirt roads...doesn't...strange...

Nothing strange about that. I also ride rim braked bikes during the work week, road and cross. The disc brake bikes get used on race days or training rides where limits are regularly pushed. I know what brakes I prefer on certain days, I'm sure James does too.

Maybe you finally cracked the case. 'Prolific tech writer paid by ScRAM for years to promote disc'.

 

[jmdirt]

Right on. This whole road disc brake is being marketed to the consumer. This marketing method is not how it usually works. The pro's don't want it so we'll just go to the sapp customer. We'll even let them do the testing. Sram. People are so gullible and willing to part with their money, and they won't be a lick faster either.

Untrue. Many road pros do want, own, and have tested disc for years now. Those that have the experience fully recognize it's a better system because there are plainly obvious terrain and weather scenarios where having better brakes is faster. Don't have to be a pro cyclist to figure that out. The only the two things holding all this back is safety during mass pileups and wheel changes, and you better believe that they're working this out as we speak. You guys are this mad about a bike part messing up road bikes? Just wait!

James Huang the former Tech Ed here has written some pretty scathing articles that call total BS on forum commenters propagating old wives' tales and urban myth about the how's and why's disc is infiltrating the road scene, and this grand marketing conspiracy behind it. Don't try and search for them, you'll only get more furious.

I don't care. Don't have them, will never have them, don't have to sell them and don't have to work on them. BUT like threadless, compact frames, seat masts, 44mm headtubes, tubeless, ceramic bearings, now wet disc brakes, thru-axles(standard??)..lets not forget the absolutely silly BB 'standard'..the goats are loose. The bike biz has been flat for years, now bike makers, who add 3% in sales, take 3% from somebody else so they gotta do some sort of new and whizbang...or adios. I know, lets create a whole new niche!. And then make a purpose driven bike for that! Call it 'gravel grinder', yep, that's it..GRoad bike, what silliness.

You don't think marketeers are behind the road disc brake thing? Think again. Spam is betting the farm on it. This gig with the UCI smacked them hard, along with their numerous recalls. Anybody that uses their stuff is being a trumpista. Being played for a sucker.

I know the 'Angry Asian', BTW. He's a little 'different' when you just talk to him in the shop. Very nice guy, beautiful new baby, BTW.

Good article here, nice things said about James..and the truth behind 'product reviews'. I'm sure some on Spam discs can be found...

https://tomdemerly.com/2016/04/28/confessions-of-a-bike-reviewer-why-i-lied-for-39-years

Good article, but I hope that most of us already knew that (that type of strategy works because people can't or don't think for themselves). Its important to note that some things that are developed to create more revenue and/or another revenue stream are also great products. In 25 years of mountain biking I have used some crappy stuff, but most of the new stuff that comes along has made my ride better in some way or another. Could I have a blast without disc brakes, tubeless tires, suspension, good shifting (shifting at all), carbon frames, etc, of course, but I sure do like those things.

I like Di2, and am glad to see it at the XT level now, plus I'm looking forward to wireless Di2. I don't care what some ad hack says, I listen to the guys who I ride with (who have more money than me, and I test stuff before I buy. Flip side of that though, duel control got slaughtered by the media, but it is still my favorite shifting ever. I loved it, bought several sets, and used it until it wasn't compatible anymore.

I would however like to see the bike industry decide on a few standards instead of creating new unstandards every year (James had a great rant about that a few years back).

EDIT: When I posted this morning I meant to share a situation that I would have loved to have disc brake in a road race. Final stage, two solid climbs, six of us close enough in the GC that the stage would likely decide the winner. Start weather: 45 degrees and drizzle. At the top of the first climb: 35 degrees and hammering rain with some wet snow flakes too. The drop off of the climb was cold and sketchy. My hands got so cold that I could barely pull the brake levers, and the Cool Stops weren't causing as much friction as usual so overall breaking was tough. It would have been nice to have a brake system that would have given me better breaking with less effort.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

I don't care. Don't have them, will never have them, don't have to sell them and don't have to work on them. BUT like threadless, compact frames, seat masts, 44mm headtubes, tubeless, ceramic bearings, now wet disc brakes, thru-axles(standard??)..lets not forget the absolutely silly BB 'standard'..the goats are loose. The bike biz has been flat for years, now bike makers, who add 3% in sales, take 3% from somebody else so they gotta do some sort of new and whizbang...or adios. I know, lets create a whole new niche!. And then make a purpose driven bike for that! Call it 'gravel grinder', yep, that's it..GRoad bike, what silliness.

You don't think marketeers are behind the road disc brake thing? Think again. Spam is betting the farm on it. This gig with the UCI smacked them hard, along with their numerous recalls. Anybody that uses their stuff is being a trumpista. Being played for a sucker.

I know the 'Angry Asian', BTW. He's a little 'different' when you just talk to him in the shop. Very nice guy, beautiful new baby, BTW.

Good article here, nice things said about James..and the truth behind 'product reviews'. I'm sure some on Spam discs can be found...

https://tomdemerly.com/2016/04/28/confessions-of-a-bike-reviewer-why-i-lied-for-39-years

For someone that "doesn't care, doesn't own, will never have, doesn't sell or work on disc brakes" you sure do have an awful lot to say about it. Why all the anger about a bike part?

Gravel events have been around for about a decade now and I've ridden and raced many in different parts of the country. One thing that struck me is how high the participation rate shot up when I returned multiple times to the same ones. Almazo in Minnesota started in 2007 as a challenge between a few friends, I think less than 10 showed up for the first one. Of the 4 times I've attended twice raced twice toured, more and more people just kept showing up. Last time I made it back there was 2012, around 1500 people lined up at the start that day. And not just with racers going for the win, but people very new to cycling that were there just for the ride, many on their first century. Rode a nice long stretch that year with Steve HED (RIP) and he had some real fascinating things to say about bikes relating to this genre, disc brakes, and specifically wheels of course. Gravel and adventure specific bikes that have been coming to market out of that scene are really quite nice and I do own a couple, one that doubles as my race day cross bike. If a niche event, thing, or bike gets people into cycling that otherwise wouldn't have I don't see anything wrong with that. That's a positive thing! I do see something very wrong when people disparage others for the kind of riding they enjoy or the gear they ride.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

I don't care. Don't have them, will never have them, don't have to sell them and don't have to work on them. BUT like threadless, compact frames, seat masts, 44mm headtubes, tubeless, ceramic bearings, now wet disc brakes, thru-axles(standard??)..lets not forget the absolutely silly BB 'standard'..the goats are loose. The bike biz has been flat for years, now bike makers, who add 3% in sales, take 3% from somebody else so they gotta do some sort of new and whizbang...or adios. I know, lets create a whole new niche!. And then make a purpose driven bike for that! Call it 'gravel grinder', yep, that's it..GRoad bike, what silliness.

You don't think marketeers are behind the road disc brake thing? Think again. Spam is betting the farm on it. This gig with the UCI smacked them hard, along with their numerous recalls. Anybody that uses their stuff is being a trumpista. Being played for a sucker.

I know the 'Angry Asian', BTW. He's a little 'different' when you just talk to him in the shop. Very nice guy, beautiful new baby, BTW.

Good article here, nice things said about James..and the truth behind 'product reviews'. I'm sure some on Spam discs can be found...

https://tomdemerly.com/2016/04/28/confessions-of-a-bike-reviewer-why-i-lied-for-39-years

For someone that "doesn't care, doesn't own, will never have, doesn't sell or work on disc brakes" you sure do have an awful lot to say about it. Why all the anger about a bike part?

Gravel events have been around for about a decade now and I've ridden and raced many in different parts of the country. One thing that struck me is how high the participation rate shot up when I returned multiple times to the same ones. Almazo in Minnesota started in 2007 as a challenge between a few friends, I think less than 10 showed up for the first one. Of the 4 times I've attended twice raced twice toured, more and more people just kept showing up. Last time I made it back there was 2012, around 1500 people lined up at the start that day. And not just with racers going for the win, but people very new to cycling that were there just for the ride, many on their first century. Rode a nice long stretch that year with Steve HED (RIP) and he had some real fascinating things to say about bikes relating to this genre, disc brakes, and specifically wheels of course. Gravel and adventure specific bikes that have been coming to market out of that scene are really quite nice and I do own a couple, one that doubles as my race day cross bike. If a niche event, thing, or bike gets people into cycling that otherwise wouldn't have I don't see anything wrong with that. That's a positive thing! I do see something very wrong when people disparage others for the kind of riding they enjoy or the gear they ride.

Discussion group-discuss or don't. If you want to take it personally, I can't stop you but I'm talking generics. If somebody wants to drop their $ on some bike with 650b, low trail, road disc, thru axle, 1by, 11-45 in back..so he can do his 20 mile dirt road ride on sunday..go ahead.

I guess I get irked about the hype, BS, market-eze about some piece of gear that the bike part makers will tell ya you 'gotta have' to do that niche bike event. 'Gravel grinder', GRoad bikes..it's silly, makes the bike market more expensive, actually drives some out of the market. They go into bikeshop, usa, and come out with that dazed, thousand yard stare after the sales lizard 'amazes' the portential customer with all the 'features' of those new bikes.

sram's answer to road disc brakes, "People who criticize disc brakes have not ridden them. For those people who want to stand by ‘tradition’, I say that there’s lots of things that are ‘traditional’ in road cycling. Taking drugs is ‘tradition’, but you know what? That has to change as well.

So if you critisize disc brakes you also think taking PEDs in bike racing is OK..dumb and shows the arrogance of this company. BUT what do you expect, their very $ future is tied to these, in spite of a $14million recall.

Gee, whatdoyaneed for a 'gravel event'?? It's a bike event, you need a.......bicycle'. I ride around here on dirt roads all the time, on a Moots Vamoots or my Merckx MXL...

Compact, threadless, seat mast, road tubeless, BB 'standards', now road discs, thru axle('standards?-righto), and don't forget the mother of all stoopid stuff, ceramic bearing balls on a bike.

If ya like 'em, groovy, use them but they, like a lot of things 'bike' these days are an answer to a not asked question.

IMHO-of course. Watch this..particularly at 5:15....discussion group-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1_uCeBCYtU

 

[Benotti69]

I don't care. Don't have them, will never have them, don't have to sell them and don't have to work on them. BUT like threadless, compact frames, seat masts, 44mm headtubes, tubeless, ceramic bearings, now wet disc brakes, thru-axles(standard??)..lets not forget the absolutely silly BB 'standard'..the goats are loose. The bike biz has been flat for years, now bike makers, who add 3% in sales, take 3% from somebody else so they gotta do some sort of new and whizbang...or adios. I know, lets create a whole new niche!. And then make a purpose driven bike for that! Call it 'gravel grinder', yep, that's it..GRoad bike, what silliness.

You don't think marketeers are behind the road disc brake thing? Think again. Spam is betting the farm on it. This gig with the UCI smacked them hard, along with their numerous recalls. Anybody that uses their stuff is being a trumpista. Being played for a sucker.

I know the 'Angry Asian', BTW. He's a little 'different' when you just talk to him in the shop. Very nice guy, beautiful new baby, BTW.

Good article here, nice things said about James..and the truth behind 'product reviews'. I'm sure some on Spam discs can be found...

https://tomdemerly.com/2016/04/28/confessions-of-a-bike-reviewer-why-i-lied-for-39-years

For someone that "doesn't care, doesn't own, will never have, doesn't sell or work on disc brakes" you sure do have an awful lot to say about it. Why all the anger about a bike part?

Gravel events have been around for about a decade now and I've ridden and raced many in different parts of the country. One thing that struck me is how high the participation rate shot up when I returned multiple times to the same ones. Almazo in Minnesota started in 2007 as a challenge between a few friends, I think less than 10 showed up for the first one. Of the 4 times I've attended twice raced twice toured, more and more people just kept showing up. Last time I made it back there was 2012, around 1500 people lined up at the start that day. And not just with racers going for the win, but people very new to cycling that were there just for the ride, many on their first century. Rode a nice long stretch that year with Steve HED (RIP) and he had some real fascinating things to say about bikes relating to this genre, disc brakes, and specifically wheels of course. Gravel and adventure specific bikes that have been coming to market out of that scene are really quite nice and I do own a couple, one that doubles as my race day cross bike. If a niche event, thing, or bike gets people into cycling that otherwise wouldn't have I don't see anything wrong with that. That's a positive thing! I do see something very wrong when people disparage others for the kind of riding they enjoy or the gear they ride.

Discussion group-discuss or don't. If you want to take it personally, I can't stop you but I'm talking generics. If somebody wants to drop their $ on some bike with 650b, low trail, road disc, thru axle, 1by, 11-45 in back..so he can do his 20 mile dirt road ride on sunday..go ahead.

I guess I get irked about the hype, BS, market-eze about some piece of gear that the bike part makers will tell ya you 'gotta have' to do that niche bike event. 'Gravel grinder', GRoad bikes..it's silly, makes the bike market more expensive, actually drives some out of the market. They go into bikeshop, usa, and come out with that dazed, thousand yard stare after the sales lizard 'amazes' the portential customer with all the 'features' of those new bikes.

sram's answer to road disc brakes, "People who criticize disc brakes have not ridden them. For those people who want to stand by ‘tradition’, I say that there’s lots of things that are ‘traditional’ in road cycling. Taking drugs is ‘tradition’, but you know what? That has to change as well.

So if you critisize disc brakes you also think taking PEDs in bike racing is OK..dumb and shows the arrogance of this company. BUT what do you expect, their very $ future is tied to these, in spite of a $14million recall.

Gee, whatdoyaneed for a 'gravel event'?? It's a bike event, you need a.......bicycle'. I ride around here on dirt roads all the time, on a Moots Vamoots or my Merckx MXL...

Compact, threadless, seat mast, road tubeless, BB 'standards', now road discs, thru axle('standards?-righto), and don't forget the mother of all stoopid stuff, ceramic bearing balls on a bike.

If ya like 'em, groovy, use them but they, like a lot of things 'bike' these days are an answer to a not asked question.

IMHO-of course. Watch this..particularly at 5:15....discussion group-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1_uCeBCYtU

We rode the bikes we had, 1 each, everywhere, every type of terrain when we were kids. It was all we had and it didn't matter just got on with it and enjoyed being on a bike. Lots forget that it is about being on 2 wheels.

Marketeers trying to justify their jobs.

Bingo = "a lot of things 'bike' these days are an answer to a not asked question"

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

I don't care. Don't have them, will never have them, don't have to sell them and don't have to work on them. BUT like threadless, compact frames, seat masts, 44mm headtubes, tubeless, ceramic bearings, now wet disc brakes, thru-axles(standard??)..lets not forget the absolutely silly BB 'standard'..the goats are loose. The bike biz has been flat for years, now bike makers, who add 3% in sales, take 3% from somebody else so they gotta do some sort of new and whizbang...or adios. I know, lets create a whole new niche!. And then make a purpose driven bike for that! Call it 'gravel grinder', yep, that's it..GRoad bike, what silliness.

You don't think marketeers are behind the road disc brake thing? Think again. Spam is betting the farm on it. This gig with the UCI smacked them hard, along with their numerous recalls. Anybody that uses their stuff is being a trumpista. Being played for a sucker.

I know the 'Angry Asian', BTW. He's a little 'different' when you just talk to him in the shop. Very nice guy, beautiful new baby, BTW.

Good article here, nice things said about James..and the truth behind 'product reviews'. I'm sure some on Spam discs can be found...

https://tomdemerly.com/2016/04/28/confessions-of-a-bike-reviewer-why-i-lied-for-39-years

For someone that "doesn't care, doesn't own, will never have, doesn't sell or work on disc brakes" you sure do have an awful lot to say about it. Why all the anger about a bike part?

Gravel events have been around for about a decade now and I've ridden and raced many in different parts of the country. One thing that struck me is how high the participation rate shot up when I returned multiple times to the same ones. Almazo in Minnesota started in 2007 as a challenge between a few friends, I think less than 10 showed up for the first one. Of the 4 times I've attended twice raced twice toured, more and more people just kept showing up. Last time I made it back there was 2012, around 1500 people lined up at the start that day. And not just with racers going for the win, but people very new to cycling that were there just for the ride, many on their first century. Rode a nice long stretch that year with Steve HED (RIP) and he had some real fascinating things to say about bikes relating to this genre, disc brakes, and specifically wheels of course. Gravel and adventure specific bikes that have been coming to market out of that scene are really quite nice and I do own a couple, one that doubles as my race day cross bike. If a niche event, thing, or bike gets people into cycling that otherwise wouldn't have I don't see anything wrong with that. That's a positive thing! I do see something very wrong when people disparage others for the kind of riding they enjoy or the gear they ride.

Discussion group-discuss or don't. If you want to take it personally, I can't stop you but I'm talking generics. If somebody wants to drop their $ on some bike with 650b, low trail, road disc, thru axle, 1by, 11-45 in back..so he can do his 20 mile dirt road ride on sunday..go ahead.

I guess I get irked about the hype, BS, market-eze about some piece of gear that the bike part makers will tell ya you 'gotta have' to do that niche bike event. 'Gravel grinder', GRoad bikes..it's silly, makes the bike market more expensive, actually drives some out of the market. They go into bikeshop, usa, and come out with that dazed, thousand yard stare after the sales lizard 'amazes' the portential customer with all the 'features' of those new bikes.

sram's answer to road disc brakes, "People who criticize disc brakes have not ridden them. For those people who want to stand by ‘tradition’, I say that there’s lots of things that are ‘traditional’ in road cycling. Taking drugs is ‘tradition’, but you know what? That has to change as well.

So if you critisize disc brakes you also think taking PEDs in bike racing is OK..dumb and shows the arrogance of this company. BUT what do you expect, their very $ future is tied to these, in spite of a $14million recall.

Gee, whatdoyaneed for a 'gravel event'?? It's a bike event, you need a.......bicycle'. I ride around here on dirt roads all the time, on a Moots Vamoots or my Merckx MXL...

Compact, threadless, seat mast, road tubeless, BB 'standards', now road discs, thru axle('standards?-righto), and don't forget the mother of all stoopid stuff, ceramic bearing balls on a bike.

If ya like 'em, groovy, use them but they, like a lot of things 'bike' these days are an answer to a not asked question.

IMHO-of course. Watch this..particularly at 5:15....discussion group-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1_uCeBCYtU

Well just to be fair, I also sometimes ride my lowly road bikes with 25c tires and rim brakes on gravel roads too. But is this setup even remotely a smart choice for any of theses races that are usually 100-300 miles or more with 90% dirt? Hell no! Your argument that a 'bike is just a bike' and I'm the "sucker" for supporting this genre or that manufacturer with my money is becoming just a tad gauche. Gravel/all-road bikes, disc brakes, thru axles, carbon clinchers, tubeless, 1x11. Well, as it turns out these things work better than some of my other bikes depending on the course I'm about to take on, yet somehow I'm the idiot? I respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree.

Few years back decided to race one of these events aboard one of the last Cali made Brian Baylis (RIP) built Masi 3v's I bought from my former boss, Bill McGann. Know these guys? You'd actually get along with Bill quite famously, he is notorious for poo-pooing anything modern. The newest 'thing' he could wrap is rose colored glasses around was a carbon fork, even that was a stretch. The 3v was such sweet ride on rough roads thanks to the magic of Reynolds 753, but biggest tire I could stuff in there was a 28, that's about all the room you get with a rim braked road race bike even today. As nice a road bike it was it turned out to be one of the worst equipment choices I've ever made for a race, the definition of bringing a knife to a gun fight. Should have been on the CX bike. Did I make it back alive? Yeah. Will I ever bring a bike like that to an event like these again? Absolutely not! I'll be in Empoira, KS at the end of the month for my 2nd DK200. Why don't you show up on either of your road bikes and give it a whirl since you say none of this over-hyped crap matters. Max tire size on both of your frames is about a 28c, right? Great! Better yet ride tubulars. Not just any old tubular, something nice like A.Dugast Paris Roubaix silk that you've been keeping nice and supple in your tubular humidor. BTW, over the years Moots has been one of the biggest proponents of gravel and adventure bikes, not to mention one of the first US builders to offer the dreaded disc brake road bike. How could you stoop so low and support a company that push these useless machines to all the suckers out there?!?!?!

 

[Bustedknuckle]

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Discussion group-discuss or don't.
IMHO-of course. Watch this..particularly at 5:15....discussion group-

[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1_uCeBCYtU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1_uCeBCYtU[/quote]

Well just to be fair, I also sometimes ride my lowly road bikes with 25c tires and rim brakes on gravel roads too. But is this setup even remotely a smart choice for any of theses races that are usually 100-300 miles or more with 90% dirt? Hell no! Your argument that a 'bike is just a bike' and I'm the "sucker" for supporting this genre or that manufacturer with my money is becoming just a tad gauche. Gravel/all-road bikes, disc brakes, thru axles, carbon clinchers, tubeless, 1x11. Well, as it turns out these things work better than some of my other bikes depending on the course I'm about to take on, yet somehow I'm the idiot? I respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree.



Gee..went back to my posts, never used the words 'sucker' or 'idiot..calm down.

I know Bill well, met him first about 20 years ago when he was 'Bill's Bike Shop(I was stationed at Pt Mugu, USN Fighter Pilot), later I sold a bunch of Torellis and Mondonicos. I do like him a lot. His former company is a sliver of what it once was(Torelli), too bad.

I guess Strada Bianchi, just held, would have been better if all the pros had been on bikes like you will ride in KS.

So, you are big into purpose driven bikes..great, and so what. The market is what I object to, the market and marketeers..no reason to take all this personally, even if you are.

Tapping out..gonna go ride my Moots in the rain, with 25c tubulars, friction shifters, DA freewheel, steel fork. Clip-on fenders.

I guess you missed the 'part of the game' in the video..discussion group..ya know, entertainment?

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

I guess Strada Bianchi, just held, would have been better if all the pros had been on bikes like you will ride in KS.

Strade Bianche; 110 miles, 30% gravel, fully supported.
DK200; 200 miles, 90% gravel, fully unsupported.

So, you are big into purpose driven bikes..great, and so what. The market is what I object to, the market and marketeers..no reason to take all this personally, even if you are.

So what? You're perfectly fine with bringing a knife to a gun fight, I am not. No fan of what's been happening in the bike industry in regards to marketing and business practices. What I disagree with is that you use road disc or any thing that you don't like (which is pretty much everything) as a scapegoat.

 

[Benotti69]

I guess Strada Bianchi, just held, would have been better if all the pros had been on bikes like you will ride in KS.

Strade Bianche; 110 miles, 30% gravel, fully supported.
DK200; 200 miles, 90% gravel, fully unsupported.

So, you are big into purpose driven bikes..great, and so what. The market is what I object to, the market and marketeers..no reason to take all this personally, even if you are.

So what? You're perfectly fine with bringing a knife to a gun fight, I am not. No fan of what's been happening in the bike industry in regards to marketing and business practices. What I disagree with is that you use road disc or any thing that you don't like (which is pretty much everything) as a scapegoat.

You appear to be attributing words and phrases to other posters when they did not post any of these things.

Why?

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

You appear to be attributing words and phrases to other posters when they did not post any of these things.

Why?

What I said has very much to do with the crux of this discussion I was having with Bustedknuckle. I make no apologies for that.

Regarding Sram; "Anybody that uses their stuff is being a trumpista. Being played for a sucker."

Not the most constructive criticism I've heard somebody say about a bicycle part manufacturer or their end users. Maybe you can offer some sort of clarity on the matter if you feel the same way.

 

[Benotti69]

You appear to be attributing words and phrases to other posters when they did not post any of these things.

Why?

What I said has very much to do with the crux of this discussion I was having with Bustedknuckle. I make no apologies for that.

Regarding Sram; "Anybody that uses their stuff is being a trumpista. Being played for a sucker."

Not the most constructive criticism I've heard somebody say about a bicycle part manufacturer or their end users. Maybe you can offer some sort of clarity on the matter if you feel the same way.

I think if you read Bustedknuckles posts he has a lot of experience in the bike industry. He also calls a spade a spade.

His experience of sram products are first hand. He posts a lot of sense, something most manufacturers lack in their search for bigger profit margins.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

You appear to be attributing words and phrases to other posters when they did not post any of these things.

Why?

What I said has very much to do with the crux of this discussion I was having with Bustedknuckle. I make no apologies for that.

Regarding Sram; "Anybody that uses their stuff is being a trumpista. Being played for a sucker."

Not the most constructive criticism I've heard somebody say about a bicycle part manufacturer or their end users. Maybe you can offer some sort of clarity on the matter if you feel the same way.

Since I said it. I owned a bike shop when slam decided to market their road junk. About 20 busted levers, rear ders, folded chainrings, siezed BBs after one ride in the wet. To their credit, they would warranty anything, at anytime, for any reason BUT the 2 phone calls I got from 'Big Ed', 'Taco Ed', threatening me was the last straw. I wish them failure and shout with glee every time I see one of their 3(so far) recalls.

Spam's future is tied with road disc brakes. I think the UCI's decision makes them squirm, and I, for one, am glad to see it.

 

[veganrob]

You appear to be attributing words and phrases to other posters when they did not post any of these things.

Why?

What I said has very much to do with the crux of this discussion I was having with Bustedknuckle. I make no apologies for that.

Regarding Sram; "Anybody that uses their stuff is being a trumpista. Being played for a sucker."

Not the most constructive criticism I've heard somebody say about a bicycle part manufacturer or their end users. Maybe you can offer some sort of clarity on the matter if you feel the same way.

Since I said it. I owned a bike shop when slam decided to market their road junk. About 20 busted levers, rear ders, folded chainrings, siezed BBs after one ride in the wet. To their credit, they would warranty anything, at anytime, for any reason BUT the 2 phone calls I got from 'Big Ed', 'Taco Ed', threatening me was the last straw. I wish them failure and shout with glee every time I see one of their 3(so far) recalls.

Spam's future is tied with road disc brakes. I think the UCI's decision makes them squirm, and I, for one, am glad to see it.

Its also tied to 1x because they have never been able to produce a front deraileur that is worth a damn. People will get tired of that crap.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

I think if you read Bustedknuckles posts he has a lot of experience in the bike industry. He also calls a spade a spade.

His experience of sram products are first hand. He posts a lot of sense, something most manufacturers lack in their search for bigger profit margins.

Just so we're clear I'm 21 years in the industry. Cut my teeth at several shops in the beginning, 2 distributors, owned a sales rep company, and my current company for the last 8 years. I do contract R&D for a few part manufactures, all of which I have active running NDA's. Brands that are talked about here and on other forums regularly.

Now that my credentials are out of the way, do you finally have anything to add to the conversation about disc brakes on road bikes?

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

You appear to be attributing words and phrases to other posters when they did not post any of these things.

Why?

What I said has very much to do with the crux of this discussion I was having with Bustedknuckle. I make no apologies for that.

Regarding Sram; "Anybody that uses their stuff is being a trumpista. Being played for a sucker."

Not the most constructive criticism I've heard somebody say about a bicycle part manufacturer or their end users. Maybe you can offer some sort of clarity on the matter if you feel the same way.

Since I said it. I owned a bike shop when slam decided to market their road junk. About 20 busted levers, rear ders, folded chainrings, siezed BBs after one ride in the wet. To their credit, they would warranty anything, at anytime, for any reason BUT the 2 phone calls I got from 'Big Ed', 'Taco Ed', threatening me was the last straw. I wish them failure and shout with glee every time I see one of their 3(so far) recalls.

Spam's future is tied with road disc brakes. I think the UCI's decision makes them squirm, and I, for one, am glad to see it.

Fair enough. I've run into some pretty abhorrent people in this industry as well. Do you remember Interbike '06 when Sram re-entered the road market with Force? You may or may not know about this; they hired an outside rep group none of which were cyclists at all, to talk shop with all the customers. Here's the kicker, they got spray on cyclist tans to 'fit in'. I kid you not! For all their ills between yours and my experiences there are literally thousands of people that ride and race Sram regularly with no issues, me included. The only mechanical criticisms I can point to which affected my personal purchases is their hydro brake recall, and I've always hated their front derailleurs since day one. Explains why the only Sram I own is mechanical Force CX1 with TRP HyRd mech/hydro calipers.

Well, the UCI is just as much to blame as Sram agressivily pushing disc. How do you even choose a race to debut a better brake system were you don't use brakes at all? Roubaix! Really? When Campy releases their disc brake system this year I'm looking forward to see you riding Super Record EPS hydro!

 

[Bustedknuckle]

I think if you read Bustedknuckles posts he has a lot of experience in the bike industry. He also calls a spade a spade.

His experience of sram products are first hand. He posts a lot of sense, something most manufacturers lack in their search for bigger profit margins.

Just so we're clear I'm 21 years in the industry. Cut my teeth at several shops in the beginning, 2 distributors, owned a sales rep company, and my current company for the last 8 years. I do contract R&D for a few part manufactures, all of which I have active running NDA's. Brands that are talked about here and on other forums regularly.

Now that my credentials are out of the way, do you finally have anything to add to the conversation about disc brakes on road bikes?

Yep, they are stoopid...next question. What company do you own? Which distributors..PM if ya like.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

You appear to be attributing words and phrases to other posters when they did not post any of these things.

Why?

What I said has very much to do with the crux of this discussion I was having with Bustedknuckle. I make no apologies for that.

Regarding Sram; "Anybody that uses their stuff is being a trumpista. Being played for a sucker."

Not the most constructive criticism I've heard somebody say about a bicycle part manufacturer or their end users. Maybe you can offer some sort of clarity on the matter if you feel the same way.

Since I said it. I owned a bike shop when slam decided to market their road junk. About 20 busted levers, rear ders, folded chainrings, siezed BBs after one ride in the wet. To their credit, they would warranty anything, at anytime, for any reason BUT the 2 phone calls I got from 'Big Ed', 'Taco Ed', threatening me was the last straw. I wish them failure and shout with glee every time I see one of their 3(so far) recalls.

Spam's future is tied with road disc brakes. I think the UCI's decision makes them squirm, and I, for one, am glad to see it.

Fair enough. I've run into some pretty abhorrent people in this industry as well. Do you remember Interbike '06 when Sram re-entered the road market with Force? You may or may not know about this; they hired an outside rep group none of which were cyclists at all, to talk shop with all the customers. Here's the kicker, they got spray on cyclist tans to 'fit in'. I kid you not! For all their ills between yours and my experiences there are literally thousands of people that ride and race Sram regularly with no issues, me included. The only mechanical criticisms I can point to which affected my personal purchases is their hydro brake recall, and I've always hated their front derailleurs since day one. Explains why the only Sram I own is mechanical Force CX1 with TRP HyRd mech/hydro calipers.

Well, the UCI is just as much to blame as Sram agressivily pushing disc. How do you even choose a race to debut a better brake system were you don't use brakes at all? Roubaix! Really? When Campy releases their disc brake system this year I'm looking forward to see you riding Super Record EPS hydro!

Don't hold your breathe. My MXLeader has EPS and Deltas, thanks.

 

[winkybiker]

You appear to be attributing words and phrases to other posters when they did not post any of these things.

Why?

What I said has very much to do with the crux of this discussion I was having with Bustedknuckle. I make no apologies for that.

Regarding Sram; "Anybody that uses their stuff is being a trumpista. Being played for a sucker."

Not the most constructive criticism I've heard somebody say about a bicycle part manufacturer or their end users. Maybe you can offer some sort of clarity on the matter if you feel the same way.

Since I said it. I owned a bike shop when slam decided to market their road junk. About 20 busted levers, rear ders, folded chainrings, siezed BBs after one ride in the wet. To their credit, they would warranty anything, at anytime, for any reason BUT the 2 phone calls I got from 'Big Ed', 'Taco Ed', threatening me was the last straw. I wish them failure and shout with glee every time I see one of their 3(so far) recalls.

Spam's future is tied with road disc brakes. I think the UCI's decision makes them squirm, and I, for one, am glad to see it.

Its also tied to 1x because they have never been able to produce a front deraileur that is worth a damn. People will get tired of that crap.

"Market" their stuff is right. They need to spend more on engineering and less on marketing in my view. They bought their way into the pro-peloton at a level significantly in excess of their actual small market share at the time. They increased market share, not by making better products, but by buying their way onto bikes as OEM components. Marketing over engineering is my main issue with them (other than some very poor products). No, actually my main issue with them are those monstrous hydro road brake levers that tear a piece of my soul out and stamp it to death every time I see them on a bike. Kill the levers, kill them with fire.

 

[purcell]

I think if you read Bustedknuckles posts he has a lot of experience in the bike industry. He also calls a spade a spade.

His experience of sram products are first hand. He posts a lot of sense, something most manufacturers lack in their search for bigger profit margins.

Just so we're clear I'm 21 years in the industry. Cut my teeth at several shops in the beginning, 2 distributors, owned a sales rep company, and my current company for the last 8 years. I do contract R&D for a few part manufactures, all of which I have active running NDA's. Brands that are talked about here and on other forums regularly.

Now that my credentials are out of the way, do you finally have anything to add to the conversation about disc brakes on road bikes?

Personally I think it's amazing you have 21 years in the industry when my impression based on this thread is that you maybe aren't that old.

They're brakes. Who cares? Ride 'em or don't.

 

[Benotti69]

You appear to be attributing words and phrases to other posters when they did not post any of these things.

Why?

What I said has very much to do with the crux of this discussion I was having with Bustedknuckle. I make no apologies for that.

Regarding Sram; "Anybody that uses their stuff is being a trumpista. Being played for a sucker."

Not the most constructive criticism I've heard somebody say about a bicycle part manufacturer or their end users. Maybe you can offer some sort of clarity on the matter if you feel the same way.

Since I said it. I owned a bike shop when slam decided to market their road junk. About 20 busted levers, rear ders, folded chainrings, siezed BBs after one ride in the wet. To their credit, they would warranty anything, at anytime, for any reason BUT the 2 phone calls I got from 'Big Ed', 'Taco Ed', threatening me was the last straw. I wish them failure and shout with glee every time I see one of their 3(so far) recalls.

Spam's future is tied with road disc brakes. I think the UCI's decision makes them squirm, and I, for one, am glad to see it.

Fair enough. I've run into some pretty abhorrent people in this industry as well. Do you remember Interbike '06 when Sram re-entered the road market with Force? You may or may not know about this; they hired an outside rep group none of which were cyclists at all, to talk shop with all the customers. Here's the kicker, they got spray on cyclist tans to 'fit in'. I kid you not! For all their ills between yours and my experiences there are literally thousands of people that ride and race Sram regularly with no issues, me included. The only mechanical criticisms I can point to which affected my personal purchases is their hydro brake recall, and I've always hated their front derailleurs since day one. Explains why the only Sram I own is mechanical Force CX1 with TRP HyRd mech/hydro calipers.

Well, the UCI is just as much to blame as Sram agressivily pushing disc. How do you even choose a race to debut a better brake system were you don't use brakes at all? Roubaix! Really? When Campy releases their disc brake system this year I'm looking forward to see you riding Super Record EPS hydro!

Don't hold your breathe. My MXLeader has EPS and Deltas, thanks.

Very nice mix of old and new!

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Personally I think it's amazing you have 21 years in the industry when my impression based on this thread is that you maybe aren't that old.

They're brakes. Who cares? Ride 'em or don't.

There seems to be an entire thread here devoted to discussing, well, brakes. And all you have to add is a personal attack and "...who cares? ride 'em or don't". Classy.

 

[Benotti69]

Personally I think it's amazing you have 21 years in the industry when my impression based on this thread is that you maybe aren't that old.

They're brakes. Who cares? Ride 'em or don't.

There seems to be an entire thread here devoted to discussing, well, brakes. And all you have to add is a personal attack and "...who cares? ride 'em or don't". Classy.

Classy, now there's a word Sram would never bring to mind.

 

[ice&fire]

I think if you read Bustedknuckles posts he has a lot of experience in the bike industry. He also calls a spade a spade.

His experience of sram products are first hand. He posts a lot of sense, something most manufacturers lack in their search for bigger profit margins.

Just so we're clear I'm 21 years in the industry. Cut my teeth at several shops in the beginning, 2 distributors, owned a sales rep company, and my current company for the last 8 years. I do contract R&D for a few part manufactures, all of which I have active running NDA's. Brands that are talked about here and on other forums regularly.

Now that my credentials are out of the way, do you finally have anything to add to the conversation about disc brakes on road bikes?

Personally I think it's amazing you have 21 years in the industry when my impression based on this thread is that you maybe aren't that old.

They're brakes. Who cares? Ride 'em or don't.

The question to be answered is whether we'll be offered the choice if we want to buy a new bike a few years from now.

 

[jmdirt]

You appear to be attributing words and phrases to other posters when they did not post any of these things.

Why?

What I said has very much to do with the crux of this discussion I was having with Bustedknuckle. I make no apologies for that.

Regarding Sram; "Anybody that uses their stuff is being a trumpista. Being played for a sucker."

Not the most constructive criticism I've heard somebody say about a bicycle part manufacturer or their end users. Maybe you can offer some sort of clarity on the matter if you feel the same way.

Since I said it. I owned a bike shop when slam decided to market their road junk. About 20 busted levers, rear ders, folded chainrings, siezed BBs after one ride in the wet. To their credit, they would warranty anything, at anytime, for any reason BUT the 2 phone calls I got from 'Big Ed', 'Taco Ed', threatening me was the last straw. I wish them failure and shout with glee every time I see one of their 3(so far) recalls.

Spam's future is tied with road disc brakes. I think the UCI's decision makes them squirm, and I, for one, am glad to see it.

So are you more anti-SRAM than anti-disc brakes? I'd agree that SRAM has not been able to match the function, quality, or durability of Shimano. I've never used it because every time that I demo their new group I think: 'that's not as good as the old Shimano let alone the new Shimano'.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

You appear to be attributing words and phrases to other posters when they did not post any of these things.

Why?

What I said has very much to do with the crux of this discussion I was having with Bustedknuckle. I make no apologies for that.

Regarding Sram; "Anybody that uses their stuff is being a trumpista. Being played for a sucker."

Not the most constructive criticism I've heard somebody say about a bicycle part manufacturer or their end users. Maybe you can offer some sort of clarity on the matter if you feel the same way.

Since I said it. I owned a bike shop when slam decided to market their road junk. About 20 busted levers, rear ders, folded chainrings, siezed BBs after one ride in the wet. To their credit, they would warranty anything, at anytime, for any reason BUT the 2 phone calls I got from 'Big Ed', 'Taco Ed', threatening me was the last straw. I wish them failure and shout with glee every time I see one of their 3(so far) recalls.

Spam's future is tied with road disc brakes. I think the UCI's decision makes them squirm, and I, for one, am glad to see it.

So are you more anti-SRAM than anti-disc brakes? I'd agree that SRAM has not been able to match the function, quality, or durability of Shimano. I've never used it because every time that I demo their new group I think: 'that's not as good as the old Shimano let alone the new Shimano'.

Good question. I really dislike sram after being treated so poorly over the phone by one of their 'big boys(as a bike shop owner)..But disc brakes on enthusiast's ROAD bikes is really dumb, shoved into the market place by mostly spam. 2015/6 SR/Record/Chorus is really brilliant..with more functionality(multi up shifts to higher gear)..scam is junque.