Do spoilers in a race thread get your goat?

[topcat]

An Irishman walks into a race thread and gives away classified information about another race that's taking place at the same time.
Do you get neurotic that the other race has been ruined for you or do you congratulate him on being an Irishman?

 

[tobydawq]

A poll with so many ridiculous options has no merit.

If I'm on catch-up (which sadly happens more and more often), I won't read the forum before I'm up to date.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

I never watch races so if there were no spoilers I wouldnt know what happened

 

[topcat]

This thread really needs a vicious argument to get going.

 

[jmdirt]

As I stated in the mod thread:

Even if you don't care about messing things up for others, posting about race A in the thread for race B is off topic.

 

[Potomac]

All those possible choices and no Vino? This forum is dead.

 

[red_flanders]

As I stated in the mod thread:

Even if you don't care about messing things up for others, posting about race A in the thread for race B is off topic.

I had a similar reaction when I read this thread, but this one seems to be about spoilers in the thread for that race. Which I don't think is an issue at all.

What defense there could be for posting a spoiler in a thread A about race B I can't fathom. If you don't care about messing things up for other posters...welp. IMO have a nice vacation. But I'm 100% with you that doing so is also obviously off-topic.

 

[jmdirt]

I had a similar reaction when I read this thread, but this one seems to be about spoilers in the thread for that race. Which I don't think is an issue at all.

What defense there could be for posting a spoiler in a thread A about race B I can't fathom. If you don't care about messing things up for other posters...welp. IMO have a nice vacation. But I'm 100% with you that doing so is also obviously off-topic.

If that is the case I misunderstood. I thought that the debate was about posting, for example, the P-N winner in the T-A thread.

 

[Hugh Januss]

This thread really needs a vicious argument to get going.

Roger that. How's this?

 

[Hugh Januss]

I never watch races so if there were no spoilers I wouldnt know what happened

Even with spoilers do you know what's happening?

 

[RedheadDane]

If that is the case I misunderstood. I thought that the debate was about posting, for example, the P-N winner in the T-A thread.

I think it is:

An Irishman walks into a race thread and gives away classified information about another race that's taking place at the same time.

What defense there could be for posting a spoiler in a thread A about race B I can't fathom. If you don't care about messing things up for other posters...welp. IMO have a nice vacation. But I'm 100% with you that doing so is also obviously off-topic.

I think most cases of posting about race A in the thread for race B are either:

1. Those situations where people get stunned that the same team gets multiple wins in a day, and makes a post like "Oh, wow! Trek got 10 wins in the same day!" in the thread for the latest-finishing race. Now, I agree that the thread for that particular team would be the correct place to post about such matters, but I can understand if someone might get carried away.
(Also, I suppose if a team managed to get 10 wins in a day, it would probably be during the big National Championship Sunday, so... that wouldn't be a problem.)

2. People getting threads mixed up, and for example does stuff like posting about Milano-San Remo in the Milano-Torino thread.


As for caring about it:
Well, I don't care about reading the result of race A in the thread for race B; either I have already watched race A, or I won't.
I will of course take care not to post about the result of race A in the thread for race B.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I had a similar reaction when I read this thread, but this one seems to be about spoilers in the thread for that race. Which I don't think is an issue at all.

I would consider it impossible to post a spoiler about race A in the thread for race A. During the race, the race thread is essentially a running commentary. If there is a lot of on-forum activity during a race I haven't watched live, I sometimes try to follow the discussion while watching: the trick is to check the time stamps before scrolling up enough to read the message.

If I ever wrote anything suggesting that race A comments in thread A was what I was asking people to be wary of, then I apologise for not making myself clear.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

1. Those situations where people get stunned that the same team gets multiple wins in a day, and makes a post like "Oh, wow! Trek got 10 wins in the same day!" in the thread for the latest-finishing race. Now, I agree that the thread for that particular team would be the correct place to post about such matters, but I can understand if someone might get carried away.

And if anyone wants to make such a post, they have two separate spoiler tags they can use. There is simply zero reason to spoil other races on the same day in a race thread, and a lot of reasons/ways not to.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Spoilers could never get the real GOAT, Roger de Vlaeminck, because he wouldn‘t allow it.

 

[CyclistAbi]

If you want to watch some race replay and don't want any spoilers then protect yourself at all times. Set your device to airplane mode and avoid friends and family knowledgeable of cycling. Last thing you want is to visit a pro road cycling orientated forum and read it. After all on the front page news about the event will be all over it.

Nothing else will work and if you spoil it in the end it's your fault. The world shouldn't be to blame, it's you. On top of that you likely jinxed it too. Hard life.

 

[topcat]

Spoiler: Secret

Pog wins

 

[red_flanders]

I think it is:





I think most cases of posting about race A in the thread for race B are either:

1. Those situations where people get stunned that the same team gets multiple wins in a day, and makes a post like "Oh, wow! Trek got 10 wins in the same day!" in the thread for the latest-finishing race. Now, I agree that the thread for that particular team would be the correct place to post about such matters, but I can understand if someone might get carried away.
(Also, I suppose if a team managed to get 10 wins in a day, it would probably be during the big National Championship Sunday, so... that wouldn't be a problem.)

2. People getting threads mixed up, and for example does stuff like posting about Milano-San Remo in the Milano-Torino thread.


As for caring about it:
Well, I don't care about reading the result of race A in the thread for race B; either I have already watched race A, or I won't.
I will of course take care not to post about the result of race A in the thread for race B.

Yep, good points, I guess I could see where it might happen accidentally. I would hope that would be a one time thing.

Regarding not caring if it happens, that’s fine for you but just because it doesn’t bother you doesn’t mean it’s not bothersome to a whole lotta other folks.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

If you want to watch some race replay and don't want any spoilers then protect yourself at all times. Set your device to airplane mode and avoid friends and family knowledgeable of cycling. Last thing you want is to visit a pro road cycling orientated forum and read it. After all on the front page news about the event will be all over it.

Nothing else will work and if you spoil it in the end it's your fault. The world shouldn't be to blame, it's you. On top of that you likely jinxed it too. Hard life.

News feed likely to be more hours adrift than I am in watching a race delayed; unless a british rider has won the TdF it will not be making breaking news on mainstream media; immediate family have no interest in cycling other than being polite to me about my obsession, and certainly wouldn't know results; shortcut brings me straight to the forum without looking at CQ main pages.

 

[RedheadDane]

And if anyone wants to make such a post, they have two separate spoiler tags they can use.

I'm talking about situations where people simply get carried away.
I think for situations like the first option above, if you have the presense of mind to remember:
"Hold, on. I should use spoiler-tags." It's just as easy to have the presense of mind to remember:
"Hold on. I should go post about this in the team thread."
(Or do some extended research about every situation in which the same team has won multiple races in a day, and make a post about it in the statistics thread.)

Yep, good points, I guess I could see where it might happen accidentally. I would hope that would be a one time thing.

Sure, making the first mistake should be something people learn not to do pretty quickly.
However, if you're watching multiple races at the same time, jumping back-and-forth between threads, it's quite easy to get the threads mixed up.
Or, I suppose there's also the somewhat rarer third option:
When you post about race B in the thread for race C because you genuinely thought the thing you were looking at happened in race C, and you were mainly focusing on race A.

Regarding not caring if it happens, that’s fine for you but just because it doesn’t bother you doesn’t mean it’s not bothersome to a whole lotta other folks.

Which is why I take care not to cross-contaminate race threads.


And now for a philosophical question:

From what I undersand, RCS is planning on making a Lombardia Donne next year.

Now, if one of the UAE ADQ riders wins the women's race, would a post like "Oh, wow! UAE wins both races!" in the thread for the women's race be considered a spoiler? Even if it's before the men's race finish? These days, Pogacar winning Lombardia is hardly a spoiler these days.

 

[red_flanders]

If you want to watch some race replay and don't want any spoilers then protect yourself at all times. Set your device to airplane mode and avoid friends and family knowledgeable of cycling. Last thing you want is to visit a pro road cycling orientated forum and read it. After all on the front page news about the event will be all over it.

Nothing else will work and if you spoil it in the end it's your fault. The world shouldn't be to blame, it's you. On top of that you likely jinxed it too. Hard life.

Reasonable. I personally don't log onto any news or social sites when I haven't seen a race and I don't want spoilers. Which I did this week for MSR, as I was out mountain biking.

However we know for a fact that a lot of people watch/participate in the thread for race A, and then later watch race B which was happening at the same time. Women's races are an obvious case in point, there are many others.

There's no reason to post a spoiler for race B in race A's live thread. Seems like basic civility to respect that, and of course it's off topic. Go post in the race B thread if you must.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

Tbf, if you decide to read the race thread before watching the race.... And then get upset by spoilers you're not the sharpest tool in the shed.

This is like blaming the news for spoiling the outcome of the race, you know it's gonna be in there...

 

[RedheadDane]

Tbf, if you decide to read the race thread before watching the race.... And then get upset by spoilers you're not the sharpest tool in the shed.

This is about when you read the thread for race A, and someone mistakenly posts stuff about race B.

 

[Unchained]

IMO this all comes off with entitled first world frivolity like complaining about only 50 flavors of beer instead of the acceptable 60 that are needed to achieve true largesse.
Saying that, Brennan won on same day as Wout, Laporte, Vingegaard on the same day to illustrate upward momentum for the team is hardly a spoiler.
The availability to monitor races through near real time dashboards like normally excellent CN version is limiting ?.. I guess.
YouTube, Instagram, Facebook all have almost real time race feedback.. Many popular races have highlights posted to YouTube within hours..I guess it all comes down to your definition of fresh fish..is the guy handing it to you off the back of the boat, if you don't see the winner breathing hard, drinking a atom bottle of ketones seconds after crossing the finish you are disappointed? The race is spoiled by a written reference? For some of us, race results are excellent but not life essential..

 

[Libertine Seguros]

IMO this all comes off with entitled first world frivolity like complaining about only 50 flavors of beer instead of the acceptable 60 that are needed to achieve true largesse.
Saying that, Brennan won on same day as Wout, Laporte, Vingegaard on the same day to illustrate upward momentum for the team is hardly a spoiler.
The availability to monitor races through near real time dashboards like normally excellent CN version is limiting ?.. I guess.

Just because a service is there does not mean that all wish to use it, especially not for all races simultaneously. It may be increasingly difficult to avoid spoilers in today's interconnected society but that doesn't mean that people don't try, and saying that Brennan won on the same day as Wout, Laporte and Vingegaard may not be an issue if it's a TTT and they were all in the same race, but if you're in the thread for one race and those races all finished within an hour or so of each other, it very much IS a spoiler for another three races.

And I'd say that somebody demanding others change their entire way of enjoying and consuming the sport to accommodate their desire to post spoilers is far more entitled than expecting others to show a modicum of respect for their fellow forum users, who don't all have the facility to watch seven races simultaneously like RHD.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

And I'd say that somebody demanding others change their entire way of enjoying and consuming the sport to accommodate their desire to post spoilers is far more entitled than expecting others to show a modicum of respect for their fellow forum users, who don't all have the facility to watch seven races simultaneously like RHD.

And we are not even asking that people don't make such observations, only that they place it inside the spoiler mask.

And if they forget to (and let's assume that it would be forgetfulness/carelessness rather than malicious), that they respond as quickly as possible to edit it if someone else draws their attention to it and asks them to mask it.