Does ASO Ban Froome?

[lemoogle]

keep in mind LA was only caught because of his egoism, his arrogance, his comeback and all the bridges he burned along the way. And that still took over a decade from his first tour win. Froome's is a more likeable personality so is there any reason to believe he will make the same mistakes?

You could compare him to Landis or Rasmussen or whoever, but they were always black sheep. We got lucky with Contador and that botched cover-up, but then again Contador wasn't ushering in a new era of popular consumerist interest from one of the top untapped economies. The UCI, ASO, BC, Murdoch have millions invested. What do you have riding on this?

Also lance was caught by a US agency. You would be crazy to think the Brits would ever go after froome or wiggo. not to mention that would bring down BC and their olympics perfs too.

I think they will get away with it, and it makes me sicker and sicker everytime i watch things like today.
I thought I wanted to froome to go FR so people would finally start to realise, but today has shown me that no matter what, people will still blindly believe.

 

[Benotti69]

Radioshacks van was stopped by Gendarmes and searched, will they touch Sky's vans, buses or hotels?

 

[manafana]

so guys if theirs something to catch them for what is it, least with armstrong we had mud, whats the mud here? except for good performance

 

[DirtyWorks]

Any explanations for why Froome rode as fast as Armstrong?

or just haters gonna hate? 500 tests. Losers don't know what its like to commit. sorry you can't believe in miracles. ETC.

Why do you hate success?
Why do you hate British Cycling?

I could post a long, incendiary list of ridiculous attempts to shut down the discussion. In fact, it's a little quiet.

 

[DirtyWorks]

so guys if theirs something to catch them for what is it, least with armstrong we had mud, whats the mud here? except for good performance

Good performance? You had better check those top-two times again. They were NOT NORMAL.

 

[DirtyWorks]

People in France should literally protest this farce and just not turn up roadside. It's the only way the higher-ups will even think about properly investigating this.

Turn off the broadcast. I have one more day, then it's off.

 

[The Hitch]

People in France should literally protest this farce and just not turn up roadside. It's the only way the higher-ups will even think about properly investigating this.

 

[The Hitch]

so guys if theirs something to catch them for what is it, least with armstrong we had mud, whats the mud here? except for good performance

Lienders?

Bailsford 2012 himself saying via proxy that Froome 2013 is doped era racing.

Anyway we see where you stand in the opening sentence of froome's bio in your blog. sky took on froome because of his commitment to clean cycling, does it not read?

 

[the sceptic]

Maybe i just imagined it but it didnt sound like Froome dawg was getting a lot of cheering today. And after this its only gonna get worse hopefully.

 

[martyfulu]

I have no idea who is doping or isn't doping or cheating by whatever means. The sad thing is so far it looks like one team seems to have a massive advantage over everyone else. Surely how and when teams train should be made completely transparent. (how that's enforced I've no idea)Or everyone should have to train the same way. Because it should be about talent and effort and it doesn't appear to be.

 

[bianchigirl]

Lienders?

Bailsford 2012 himself saying via proxy that Froome 2013 is doped era racing.

Anyway we see where you stand in the opening sentence of froome's bio in your blog. sky took on froome because of his commitment to clean cycling, does it not read?

One day a journo is going to talk to wiggins old mechanic - unfortunately he won't talk to them since BC gave him a job - food & a roof keep mouths shut as effectively omertà

 

[MacRoadie]

I'm having weird flashbacks...

While we're at it, let me see if I've got this straight:

Alberto Contador, Cadel Evans, Andy Schleck, Alejandro Valverde, and Rui Costa get ridden into the ground by Ian Stannard and Peter Kennaugh and they hardly even needed Richie Porte.....Hmmmmmm

 

[lemoogle]

Maybe i just imagined it but it didnt sound like Froome dawg was getting a lot of cheering today. And after this its only gonna get worse hopefully.

But us french people love to cheer for other winning athletes/countries and call other french people jealous.

Froome will always have many fans on the road of the TdF unfortunately.

 

[BYOP88]

so guys if theirs something to catch them for what is it, least with armstrong we had mud, whats the mud here? except for good performance

Well if you look at Froome before the end of August 2011, what had he done in cycling? I mean when he started out in South Africa, he'd get dropped from the peloton in 100km flat races. Whereas his peers were winning these races and in some cases lapping the field in doing so.

Froome has become the world's best climber and what a top 5 TT-er? Yet 3 years ago in the Giro he was finishing in the autobus and even got kicked out of the Giro for cheating. Prior to his Vuelta 2011 breakout, Sky had offered him a new contract worth about £100k(in one of the threads there will be a link to what his agent said)then BOOM the Vuelta happens and Froome gets a new and improved offer. Now surely Brailsford would have known what Froome 'could do' based on numbers, so why the low contract offer, would you want to risk losing the best climber in the peloton to a rival team? It's not as if Sky have a small budget and dropping £500k on a cyclist will hurt them.

Froome is the new Armstrong, an ok cyclist but nothing special. Both suffered from an illness and then BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM they're both world beaters.

 

[Froome_Beast]

Seeing how Froome totally blew the script, how does ASO handle this?

->Surprise doping positive like Landis?
->Surprise firing like Rasmussen(sp?)??



There must be more creative ways for Froome to be banished. Porte wins?

Good post, Bro.

 

[Benotti69]

Good post, Bro.

It is cycling FB, go read the history of the sport before labelling people as such.

You are coming over all Armstrong fan like and well how did that end?

Riders coming from nowhere and winning the TdF have not been legit. Go ask Bjarne Riis and Armstrong,

 

[2beeDammed]

Also lance was caught by a US agency. You would be crazy to think the Brits would ever go after froome or wiggo. not to mention that would bring down BC and their olympics perfs too.

Not so crazy to think that ASADA may have the cojones to go after Porte tho...

 

[Maxiton]

Seeing how Froome totally blew the script, how does ASO handle this?

->Surprise doping positive like Landis?
->Surprise firing like Rasmussen(sp?)??



There must be more creative ways for Froome to be banished. Porte wins?

Maybe Froome knows he has carte blanche. Giving him carte blanche would be arrogant and stupid, but arrogant and stupid are clearly not in short supply in pro cycling, especially when there's a lot of money on the table (or under it) . . . .

 

[northstar]

One day a journo is going to talk to wiggins old mechanic - unfortunately he won't talk to them since BC gave him a job - food & a roof keep mouths shut as effectively omertà

Are we going to have to wait for UKAD’s investigation 10 years from now for the mechanic’s story?

 

[Maxiton]

Are we going to have to wait for UKAD’s investigation 10 years from now for the mechanic’s story?

Yes, unless he gets fired and has to move to New Zealand.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Froome has stated a few times now, when asked about doping, that he isn't going to have his titles stripped in 5 or 6 years time.....he's that confident ! to keep saying that proves that Sky have this signed and sealed from the TOP.

Or, in our control everything-eyerybody-world, Froome just tells the truth and he´s nothing to hide. Ahh ok that is to far-fetched...

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Froome is the new Armstrong, an ok cyclist but nothing special. Both suffered from an illness and then BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM they're both world beaters.

So was Lemond the clinic hero (who learned by then how to manage "blood replacement" coming 105th in the Giro, then 1st in TdF), so was AC (almost dying)...

 

[autologous]

So was Lemond the clinic hero (who learned by then how to manage "blood replacement" coming 105th in the Giro, then 1st in TdF), so was AC (almost dying)...

You're arguing in bad faith.
If your case is so strong why do you need to twist things?

Lemond's history is nothing like Froome's, and you know it.

Why don't you compare what Lemond did before his injury to what Froome did before his illness?

Your debating technique is weak , despicable. The very definition of a troll.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

You're arguing in bad faith.
If your case is so strong why do you need to twist things?

Lemond's history is nothing like Froome's, and you know it.

Why don't you compare what Lemond did before his injury to what Froome did before his illness?

Your debating technique is weak , despicable. The very definition of a troll.

My case isn´t strong*. Never said this...
I just use the technique others use (like cherry picking, casting doubts, fingerpointing, crawling in the past, etc.).
You can spoil everybodys name, especially in cycling. But i don´t like it. I just wanna show where false acusations can lead. I thought that would be clear now after discussing Froome for almost two years...
If discussions in the clinic would be based on hard evidence, or at least on smoking guns (like it had been in the Armstrong case for years), then it would be ok. Now we only have obscure theories. Nothing more, nothing less...


* Neither is it in the case of the acusers. We all do not know if Froome is doping or not (but at least we know he is at least cleaner than many others, given the past we know about some of the so-called contenders who are still active in this very tour). In the end we have yet to get any doping link in the direction of Sky (unlike Lampre, Xacobeo, Saunier now Movistar, and so on, and so on)... That is my point i try to make clear every time i write about Froome. I just wanna play fair. But if others play unfair, i feel welcomed and do the same...

 

[Robert21]

surely Brailsford would have known what Froome 'could do' based on numbers, so why the low contract offer, would you want to risk losing the best climber in the peloton to a rival team? It's not as if Sky have a small budget and dropping £500k on a cyclist will hurt them.

A couple of years ago 'management genius' Brailsford did look at the numbers and had Froome down as a lower tier rider only capable of getting on the podium in second rate races. Wiggins, meanwhile, was a rider whose best days were behind him. Of course that was before Brailsford took on the doping meister, Geert Leinders.

http://www.cyclesportmag.com/features/inside-the-mind-of-dave-brailsford/