Does ASO Ban Froome?

[thehog]

Wasn't there some talk on Twitter about Prudhomme not being happy with this display?

Sky can give him another PowerPoint presentation. All will be fine.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Each and every one of your posts is in the Clinic, most of them one-liners about the great achievements of Sky doing it clean. You have not posted any accusations at Sky, unlike the seeming majority, nor posted any rationale behind why they are considered clean or why you will hedge your bets, unlike most of the respected pro-Sky posters here.

Despite this, you have never posted once in the Professional Road Racing forum, where such posts are less likely to cause a big argument due to the banning of Clinic talk.

 

[BroDeal]

You can get banned for abuse so should perhaps think about this post

I support Sky how is that being a troll

You are a troll. All one has to do is look at your posting history.

 

[Netserk]

Porte should be banned for what he said about Quintana.

What did he say?

 

[jilbiker]

I can wait.


So this is what the defence of sky has been reduced to?

Any explanations for why Froome rode as fast as Armstrong?

or just haters gonna hate? 500 tests. Losers don't know what its like to commit. sorry you can't believe in miracles. ETC.

That is my question. How can it be classified as natural? Has the human body evolved to superman ability? There are natural limits of the body. 10.49 by Florence Griffith-Joyner was ridiculous and no one has come even close to it. if tomorrow someone made 10.39 why won't I say that person is juiced?

 

[peterst6906]

Perhaps th UN could intervene?

Typical The Hog d**khead statement.

 

[webbie146]

Porte should be banned for what he said about Quintana.

Pescheux: my fear is that we'll have Wiggins, Froome, Porte 123 on Ax3Domaines. I guess this comes close.

The last tt was thrown in to spice up the Froome-Contador duel even more. I guess Froome-Porte will be the duel we'll be looking at.

Dutch ES commentator made a good point. 1-2 second year in a row he said. He said but that's not what sky's aiming for. They're aiming for tdf win for the next 30 years.

What did he say about Quintana?

 

[DirtyWorks]

That is my question. How can it be classified as natural? Has the human body evolved to superman ability? There are natural limits of the body. 10.49 by Florence Griffith-Joyner was ridiculous and no one has come even close to it. if tomorrow someone made 10.39 why won't I say that person is juiced?

Oh jilbiker... I'm sorry you don't believe.

Using the Brunyeelsford reality distortion PR generator, it's that the rest of cycling is using pseudo-science and Sky's adoption of swimming training techniques is what made Froome and Porte. And then there are advances in equipment and nutrition.

Just like Armstrong's sports fraud. But this time, it's true.

 

[Alphabet]

Contador is a convicted cheat

And Sky are throttling him.

What does that tell you? Contador's off the juice? Not a chance.

 

[lemoogle]

That is my question. How can it be classified as natural? Has the human body evolved to superman ability? There are natural limits of the body. 10.49 by Florence Griffith-Joyner was ridiculous and no one has come even close to it. if tomorrow someone made 10.39 why won't I say that person is juiced?

Great point,
I do in certain ways think that after a few decades a clean performance can beat a doped performance, clean performances have previously shown that they will gradually improve.

This blog actually posted something about when clean performances would surpass doping performances just before the stage yesterday

 

[martinvickers]

And Sky are throttling him.

What does that tell you? Contador's off the juice? Not a chance.

You seriously think "hanging on for grim Death" Berti is on the 2009 sort of juice?
He's been pinged, he's one from a life ban, he's scared. He's dialled it way down, it's obvious.

whether he'll stick to that all the way to paris is another question.

 

[the sceptic]

You seriously think "hanging on for grim Death" Berti is on the 2009 sort of juice?
He's been pinged, he's one from a life ban, he's scared. He's dialled it way down, it's obvious.

whether he'll stick to that all the way to paris is another question.

But sky isnt obvious, youre "not sure" about them

 

[gthx_gthx_]

Great point,
I do in certain ways think that after a few decades a clean performance can beat a doped performance, clean performances have previously shown that they will gradually improve.

This blog actually posted something about when clean performances would surpass doping performances just before the stage yesterday

That came after one of Brailsford perfectly timed comments saying that since the human race moves forward , clean riders will show better performances than doped riders.
Until then the human race has to match Froome's performance first.Then they'll be ready to match doped performances.

On the point you're trying to make though , I am not an expert on that subject , but I am not sure that clean performance will improve infinitely , there must some kind of limit at some point ? I agree though that we may see in the future decades clean riders doing equal times as Armstrong and Co on the mountains.

 

[Alphabet]

Decades are too soon. Maybe a century, or longer, before clean performances from >2100 equal doped performances from <2013.

 

[lemoogle]

Until then the human race has to match Froome's performance first.Then they'll be ready to match doped performances.

On the point you're trying to make though , I am not an expert on that subject , but I am not sure that clean performance will improve infinitely , there must some kind of limit at some point ?

Fully agreed, not much of an expert either but I believe many of the advancements we've already made and there aren't many ways to improve.

On an added note, I believe the question then asks itself: are there some doping performances that can NEVER be beaten clean.

Reminds me how I watched some documentary years ago about the human limit of the 100m apparently being at 9.52s or something like that and we're very close to it now ( or was it 9.62? if yes we've already reached it ) , I guess that was with +0m/s wind or indoors.

 

[WillemS]

Truth is that professional cycling is in dire straits at the moment. While some of the major teams have managed to find funding, Belkin springs to mind, it's not that easy to find sponsorship, both for teams and for races. Another big scandal, right here at the Tour, so closely following the Armstrong confessions, could hurt cycling bad and there's no organisation that doesn't know that.

Now is not the time to pull a Rasmussen, not without very solid evidence, evidence that is simply lacking at the moment. While Froome's performance itself is highly suspicious, it is not enough, especially with all those organisations claiming the controls are harder to beat nowadays. Busting someone without evidence is like confessing the controls are still useless, that's simply not an option for the ASO, UCI and most major national cycling organisation (they all claim times have changed).

 

[Hugh Januss]

Truth is that professional cycling is in dire straits at the moment. While some of the major teams have managed to find funding, Belkin springs to mind, it's not that easy to find sponsorship, both for teams and for races. Another big scandal, right here at the Tour, so closely following the Armstrong confessions, could hurt cycling bad and there's no organisation that doesn't know that.

Now is not the time to pull a Rasmussen, not without very solid evidence, evidence that is simply lacking at the moment. While Froome's performance itself is highly suspicious, it is not enough, especially with all those organisations claiming the controls are harder to beat nowadays. Busting someone without evidence is like confessing the controls are still useless, that's simply not an option for the ASO, UCI and most major national cycling organisation (they all claim times have changed).

Well two times up Alpe d'Huez ought to keep power down and times up. Presto new cleaner cycling.

 

[LaFlorecita]

You seriously think "hanging on for grim Death" Berti is on the 2009 sort of juice?
He's been pinged, he's one from a life ban, he's scared. He's dialled it way down, it's obvious.

whether he'll stick to that all the way to paris is another question.

Martinvickers for the record do you think sky is clean? If Alberto has suddenly improved after the rest day and beats the crap out of Froome would you consider him robbed?

 

[skippy]

Surprised to find no comment on Richie's dismal day ? After yesterday's comments , thought i would find you guys going beserk ?

 

[BYOP88]

Surprised to find no comment on Richie's dismal day ? After yesterday's comments , thought i would find you guys going beserk ?

Why? Porte has just returned to his climbing ability circa 2010/11. Which would seem like his natural ability, not the stuff he's been doing the past 18 months.

 

[Athame]

Hahahaha. The era when Froome's titles are safe is the new amount of times Armstrong was tested.

________ knice one!

 

[DirtyWorks]

Great point,
I do in certain ways think that after a few decades a clean performance can beat a doped performance, clean performances have previously shown that they will gradually improve.

Or, ASO just shortens the kilometers raced. Which, they've been doing for decades.

As was described in another thread, apparently Porte got gapped, then had to drag his group up today's monster climbs before cracking. I'm not convinced he's off the podium. Crazy? sure. But, so was yesterday. There's at least two TT's coming, and more climbing to destroy the peloton again.

 

[martinvickers]

But sky isnt obvious, youre "not sure" about them

I'm saying that Berti, a convicted cheat of which there can be 0% doubt, seems to be riding not only on 'human' levels, but WELL WITHIN human levels, and miles down on his 'tainted era' - to me, when added with relatively weak TT in earlier races this year, but continued mountain ability makes it 'obvious' he is either a) riding this tour clean or b) dialling it way way down,

Which of these it is, i've no idea. But it's almost certainly one or the other - unless hes doped, but ill, or deliberately dogging it - two scenarii i consider exceptionally unlikely. Occam's razor and all that.

If he is doping, but dialled down. why?

either because of a) fear of being caught, b) a damascane conversion to clean cycling or c) for whatever reason, he doesn't have access to top gear. Again , if he has only dialled it down, I can't be sure why, but I'd say a) is the most likely answer, no? It seems an obvious enough correlation.

Sky? Well, they fell apart today, so let's limit it to to froome for the moment.

The clinic was screaming he was doing the same time as Armstrong. Apart from the difficulties in actually being completely accurate on the timing, that itself is meaningless.

I repeat. Meaningless. The Armstrong,as I said elsewhere is not the SI unit of doping. Not every single ride he or other dopers did is of itself extraterrestrial. It's ridiculous to think that "it's just like armstrong" is anything but a facetious argument.

I'm much more interested in objective numbers, not self-selected comparatives that can't possibly take account of situations.

His W/KG was for a 20 minute effort, and for a 20 minute effort was just about plausible. Just about. 6.4ish. Which, for 20 minutes, is feasible, if not likely. But then, do we expect the leader of the TdF to do what is likely? And round and round we go.

So no, it ain't obvious. you could draw either conclusion logically on the available objective facts, but neither to anything approaching certainty.

Do I think Froome dopes? Ask Franklin. But is it OBVIOUS he's doping, based on Ax 3 domaines? Of course it isn't.

You might LIKE it to be. But your motivations are your business.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

A bunch of senseless drivel from martinvickers. The same sort of drivel we've seen from every single Armstrong fanboy over the last decade or so. It's like the British stole the fanboy playbook and didn't bother to make any changes.

What Froome has done since the 2011 Vuelta is absolutely ridiculous. The guy was a complete nobody, then suddenly rises to world-beater. It's the stuff of Rumsas, Ricco, Nozal, Pecharroman, and other "revelations."

On the positive side, I guess if the Americans cancel Sesame Street, we can always watch British cycling to get our fill of muppets.

 

[Viking]

quintana attacks prr section goes mad...............what a race best tour for years

froomey attacks prr section goes mad................what a farce

before froomey is banned someone should at least identify the issue

it's ok to be incredulous but the truth is out there...................somewhere

leinders is way too weak a taint team sky can't be held accountable for his indescretions at rabobank

Mark L

Sky should be held accountable for hiring an obvious doping doctor when they have a zero-tolerance policy regarding the past. Hiring Leinders was questionable, at best.