Does ASO Ban Froome?

[veganrob]

The only way to really level the field is to allow certain "doping". That is it. Guys will always cheat when lots of $$$ and fame are on the line.

They already do allow certain "doping". It is called the bio passport.

 

[eztarget]

It was pretty obvious that Contador, Purito and Valverde were all doping off the scale in the Vuelta last year, obviously they don't get the same protection out of Spain so they have to scale it down here. Froome was only able to live with them for a week so he has had to step it up a bit this year, let's hope he is caught soon.

I can't believe Contador is still allowed to race. It was funny during the LA years that people hated LA so much and love this guy. He did the same non-human things in the mountains and no one questioned him until someone "spiked" his steak.

 

[hrotha]

I can't believe Contador is still allowed to race. It was funny during the LA years that people hated LA so much and love this guy. He did the same non-human things in the mountains and no one questioned him until someone "spiked" his steak.

Plenty of people questioned him. Don't make up lies.

 

[taiwan]

ASO should give Froome a medal of honour. Doing clean what Armstrong/Ulle and all the other blood dopers did totally jacked up is just a sign of human evolution. Good thing Dave Brailsford warned us for this. Sky are rewriting history now, interesting times.

I suppose it was only a matter of time before the performances nudged back up to 00s levels. It was only a matter of which "clean" BS they would be accompanied by this time.

 

[martinvickers]

Paula has a very ungainly style of running. Pretty much throws everything one would try to coach out of the window, but does so effectively (well used to anyway).

Froome is ungainly on the bike, but effective. Thats the comparison as I see it.

Obvious enough comparison - ugly stylistically, but effective endurance athlete

 

[ebandit]

thoughts

Obvious enough comparison - ugly stylistically, but effective endurance athlete

my thought was that i trust radcliffe.........even less than froomey

Mark L

 

[martinvickers]

my thought was that i trust radcliffe.........even less than froomey

Mark L

Well, YMMV, but Radcliffe has been loudly, consistently and unswervingly anti-doping her whole career. Hell of a risk to take pi$$ing off the IAAF et all if you might pop.

After all, again, is this not one of the things that annoyed Paul Kimmage, that Wiggins stopped being as vocal against dopers. Well, Radcliffe never did.

The way this place is at the moment, EVERYTHING points to doping, even when it's absolutely self-contradictory - and if necessary, we have a Dan Brown style conspiracy to explain what otherwise doesn't fit the doping narrative. Porte's an unbreakable superman = he doped. Actually, he did break, he paid for it the next day and is human = he doped.

As Sherlock says "this is bending facts to suit theories, not theories to suit facts".

I repeat, again. Some people here don't THINK sky are doping. They WANT them to be doping. They HOPE they are doping.

Big difference.

 

[eztarget]

Plenty of people questioned him. Don't make up lies.

Relax. I'm not making up lies, just saying that people were so blinded by their hate for LA that he got less scrutiny.

I'm also surprised he's still allowed to race.

 

[rhubroma]

Plenty of people questioned him. Don't make up lies.

That and the fact LA was a real ba$tard. Can't say the same for the Spaniard, at least on personality. Had LA simply been a nice guy, and not the mafia boss he was, folks would have treated him with more indifference. Though one simply couldn't be indifferent toward the Texan, but this is entirely his own fault, not those who found him so repuslive.

Now, let's see, looky here: as per reported in la Gazzetta dello Sport Froome's time was the third best up Ax 3 Domains. Froome climbed it in 23'12" and has been bettered only by Laiseka (22'55": stage winner) and Armstrong (22'57"), though the climb of Ax 3 Domains was only en route to the finish atop Luz Ardiden. Whereas as the final climb in 2005 (Totsching first), it was Armstrong who had the best time at 23'40", while in 2010 Riblon was the victor, but the best time was established by Schleck and Contador (24'). Thus Froome's performance was better than Armstrong's, Schleck's and Contador's.

The sport is indeed cleaner...

 

[Pulpstar]

That and the fact LA was a real ba$tard. Can't say the same for the Spaniard, at least on personality. Had LA simply been a nice guy, and not the mafia boss he was, folks would have treated him with more indifference. Though one simply couldn't be indifferent toward the Texan, but this is entirely his own fault, not those who found him so repuslive.

Now, let's see, looky here: as per reported in la Gazzetta dello Sport Froome's time was the third best up Ax 3 Domains. Froome climbed it in 23'12" and has been bettered only by Laiseka (22'55": stage winner) and Armstrong (22'57"), though the climb of Ax 3 Domains was only en route to the finish atop Luz Ardiden. Whereas as the final climb in 2005 (Totsching first), it was Armstrong who had the best time at 23'40", while in 2010 Riblon was the victor, but the best time was established by Schleck and Contador (24'). Thus Froome's performance was better than Armstrong's, Schleck's and Contador's.

The sport is indeed cleaner...

So the 2001 climb did not have a 'Pailheres' ridden at a high tempo before it. Makes this result look even more ridiculous. I thought Froome would have lived with Lance. There is a good argument to be made that he would have beaten him !

If he is doing that clean, one can only imagine what he'd do on the sauce :O

 

[LaFlorecita]

Relax. I'm not making up lies, just saying that people were so blinded by their hate for LA that he got less scrutiny.

I'm also surprised he's still allowed to race.

He is still allowed to race because in cycling there is no life ban for first offence.

 

[rhubroma]

So the 2001 climb did not have a 'Pailheres' ridden at a high tempo before it. Makes this result look even more ridiculous. I thought Froome would have lived with Lance. There is a good argument to be made that he would have beaten him !

If he is doing that clean, one can only imagine what he'd do on the sauce :O

The obvious answer is he's not doing it clean. Aliens don't exist.

 

[Alphabet]

I can't believe Contador is still allowed to race. It was funny during the LA years that people hated LA so much and love this guy. He did the same non-human things in the mountains and no one questioned him until someone "spiked" his steak.

It's probably because Contador comes across as a genuinely nice, humble person with plenty of human qualities, like empathy and emotion. Lance on the other hand.... well. We all know the score with Lance. Also because Contador didn't attempt to build a cult of personality around himself as Lance did and Sky are now doing.

 

[hfer07]

When anyone reads on the news that the very Prudhomme is praising Froome,- then it is so difficult to conclude that SKY is "supported" by the Top & therefore they won't get popped any time soon?

This kind of sh!t is what makes me question why we keep watching Le Tour-when is evident that the overall winner is already chosen?

 

[el chava]

ASO has always done that; talking different riders up. Proudhomme did hype Quintana as a major tour contender already a year ago and recently almost promised an (black!) african winner in the near future. I wish ASO would stop doing this especially during the tour as it obviously leads to speculations that the race is rigged.

 

[DirtyWorks]

ASO has always done that; talking different riders up. Proudhomme did hype Quintana as a major tour contender already a year ago and recently almost promised an (black!) african winner in the near future. I wish ASO would stop doing this especially during the tour as it obviously leads to speculations that the race is rigged.

Maybe 5 years into a very public campaign to "grow cycling" in Africa, we've got a South African destroying the field at the TdF with ASO on message with the UCI. Funny thing. It reminds me of when ASO finally sold their daily feed into the U.S. The next year, the Armstrong reign begins.

So many coincidences!

 

[Cloxxki]

So can Lance still call Hein to say it's "not normal" for an anglo saxon to ride uphill quickly?
To Spike, or To Defraud at test? That is the question...

 

[Le Baroudeur]

Well, YMMV, but Radcliffe has been loudly, consistently and unswervingly anti-doping her whole career. Hell of a risk to take pi$$ing off the IAAF et all if you might pop.

After all, again, is this not one of the things that annoyed Paul Kimmage, that Wiggins stopped being as vocal against dopers. Well, Radcliffe never did.

The way this place is at the moment, EVERYTHING points to doping, even when it's absolutely self-contradictory - and if necessary, we have a Dan Brown style conspiracy to explain what otherwise doesn't fit the doping narrative. Porte's an unbreakable superman = he doped. Actually, he did break, he paid for it the next day and is human = he doped.

As Sherlock says "this is bending facts to suit theories, not theories to suit facts".

I repeat, again. Some people here don't THINK sky are doping. They WANT them to be doping. They HOPE they are doping.

Big difference.

Porte very nearly caught to lead group on his lonesome. He himself said he was then told to conserve energy.

Nice story though.

 

[sprenten]

So the 2001 climb did not have a 'Pailheres' ridden at a high tempo before it. Makes this result look even more ridiculous. I thought Froome would have lived with Lance. There is a good argument to be made that he would have beaten him !

If he is doing that clean, one can only imagine what he'd do on the sauce :O

One thing people need to consider is that the Pailheres was the first major mountain climb in this tour and the first to exceed 1500m in altitude. The Bonascre is under 1500m in altitude and more like Super-Besse than Le Alpe or Ventoux. Comparing this Tour to 2001 is like comparing apples and oranges. The 2001 Tour had 4 HC ascents before they even made it to the Bonascre stage and 1 Cat 1 climb in the Bonascre stage. The 2001 Tour had 7 total HC ascents before it ended. That said, the relatively slower pace they are climbing all the other climbs to previous years suggests a cleaner peloton even when you take into account the times of the climb to Plateau de Bonascre. I expect the times up Ventoux to be relatively fast as well, but not Le Alpe, Croix Fry, or Annecy-Somnez. The dopers residuals won't drop across successive HC climbs or climbs above 1500m like non dopers. Le Alpe will be the third consecutive day at altitude (>1000m), Croix Fry will be the 4th, and Annecy will be the 5th.

 

[dgodave]

After lurking here a bit, I'm convinced legitimate bike racing is done. Over. Testing will always be playing catch up, and the rewards for doping are just too sweet.

The only valid competitive cycling will be corporate bike-to-work-day participation contests.

 

[oldcrank]

No clean rider can crush a blood doper, no matter how mild his/her doses are.

Lots of people on here say Gregory James LeMond did just that.
And with lead shot gun pellets imbedded in his heart.

 

[EnacheV]

why they would ban the next golden boy?

with his sweet speech, modesty and lack of arrogance (so far), CF is a perfect candidate to repair the Armstrong damage.

However, if hes found doped (Froome) .... cycling will be under curling for the next 10 years

 

[Race Radio]

Lots of people on here say Gregory James LeMond did just that.
And with lead shot gun pellets imbedded in his heart.

Nahh, just a couple of fools say that. Most people know better

 

[RobbieCanuck]

I have no idea who is doping or isn't doping or cheating by whatever means. The sad thing is so far it looks like one team seems to have a massive advantage over everyone else. Surely how and when teams train should be made completely transparent. (how that's enforced I've no idea)Or everyone should have to train the same way. Because it should be about talent and effort and it doesn't appear to be.

Great post!

 

[LaFlorecita]

why they would ban the next golden boy?

with his sweet speech, modesty and lack of arrogance (so far), CF is a perfect candidate to repair the Armstrong damage.

However, if hes found doped (Froome) .... cycling will be under curling for the next 10 years

Prudhomme is that you?