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Sadly I suspect, if the comments on the Daily Telegraph thread are anything to go by (can't believe a major paper allowed non pre moderated comments), many will not see it that way. The number of comments along the lines of "Brits don't dope" "Sunday Times = gutter press" etc etc are depressing.
SeriousSam said:
Sadly I suspect, if the comments on the Daily Telegraph thread are anything to go by (can't believe a major paper allowed non pre moderated comments), many will not see it that way. The number of comments along the lines of "Brits don't dope" "Sunday Times = gutter press" etc etc are depressing.
- Jul 21, 2012
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the general rule is that people whose doping knowledge comes exclusively from people like Matt Slater and Fotheringham are liable to believe cows can fly, whereas people who have at some point in their life visited a message board or otherwise independent source will see through that kind of deception pretty easily.
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so many people still trot out the line that PEDs won't have any effect in a skill sport e.g. football. Then, if you point them Google-wise in the direction of say, details of the Riccardo Agricola case, they just take it as evidence that only those dastardly foreigners dope. Tennis fans are the worst for this kind of wilful blindness overall, football fans a close second.
the sceptic said:
so many people still trot out the line that PEDs won't have any effect in a skill sport e.g. football. Then, if you point them Google-wise in the direction of say, details of the Riccardo Agricola case, they just take it as evidence that only those dastardly foreigners dope. Tennis fans are the worst for this kind of wilful blindness overall, football fans a close second.
- Mar 13, 2009
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no.
the most fervent believers believe in the cognitive dissonance. they believe in the chariotsoffire, they believe in the doping.
when they admit either with typing, or with oral inverted exaltation, it would be a little piece of them dies. it would be like denying yourself and appreciating significant element of your identity is built on straw. and it would hurt. it is easy to maintain the ruse, deflection and obfuscation. but bet you put them on a few shots of absinthe and pop them some ruphylin and they will be clear they believe paula doped.
the "tell" is in their vehemence
as shakespeare wrote in hamlet the lady doth protest too hard methinks
SeriousSam said:
no.
the most fervent believers believe in the cognitive dissonance. they believe in the chariotsoffire, they believe in the doping.
when they admit either with typing, or with oral inverted exaltation, it would be a little piece of them dies. it would be like denying yourself and appreciating significant element of your identity is built on straw. and it would hurt. it is easy to maintain the ruse, deflection and obfuscation. but bet you put them on a few shots of absinthe and pop them some ruphylin and they will be clear they believe paula doped.
the "tell" is in their vehemence
as shakespeare wrote in hamlet the lady doth protest too hard methinks
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More context... not likely to sway anyone's opinion re. PR but actually, for those interested in coaching and physiology, a fascinating interview.
http://www.runnersworld.com/rt-web-exclusive/gerard-hartmanns-front-row-seat-to-paula-radcliffes-career
http://www.runnersworld.com/rt-web-exclusive/gerard-hartmanns-front-row-seat-to-paula-radcliffes-career
- Mar 13, 2009
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here is the context climber, we think they are ALL doping at this level. We do not isolate Radcliffe.
now, here is the kicker. Her WR, the one "clean" person, has outperformed ALL the dopers.
Her WR shattered ALL the WR(s) by the dopers.
That is the context. That is all the context one needs to know.
plus, thanks to D-Queued, with his own take on the Ullrich arithmetic aphorism #UAA, 2+2. Dave's own take, marginal gains #MG aint the rounding error and pimple on a knat's arse (thats my own artistic licence)
that to exceed the WR's of the dopers, and the doping dopers, to exceed the WR's of the doping dopers (tautological pleonasm) and exceed the #DD's WRs clean, is utter BS. bovine scatology. BS. staccato
armchairclimber said:
here is the context climber, we think they are ALL doping at this level. We do not isolate Radcliffe.
now, here is the kicker. Her WR, the one "clean" person, has outperformed ALL the dopers.
Her WR shattered ALL the WR(s) by the dopers.
That is the context. That is all the context one needs to know.
plus, thanks to D-Queued, with his own take on the Ullrich arithmetic aphorism #UAA, 2+2. Dave's own take, marginal gains #MG aint the rounding error and pimple on a knat's arse (thats my own artistic licence)
that to exceed the WR's of the dopers, and the doping dopers, to exceed the WR's of the doping dopers (tautological pleonasm) and exceed the #DD's WRs clean, is utter BS. bovine scatology. BS. staccato
- Sep 29, 2012
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I hear Chris Carmichael has some good info on training Lance Armstrong too.
armchairclimber said:
I hear Chris Carmichael has some good info on training Lance Armstrong too.
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Oh I read it. A few days ago. It's why I am saying what I am saying.
Her regular sessions with Dr Actovegin don't seem to be getting as much air play? Strange, don't you think? Instead, a white knight comes to rescue the princess, and repetitively restate said princess is tougher than any other athlete he has treated except for one dude.
Gotcha.
armchairclimber said:
Oh I read it. A few days ago. It's why I am saying what I am saying.
Her regular sessions with Dr Actovegin don't seem to be getting as much air play? Strange, don't you think? Instead, a white knight comes to rescue the princess, and repetitively restate said princess is tougher than any other athlete he has treated except for one dude.
Gotcha.
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“We’ll do everything we can to ensure the focus is on the positive news,” she wrote. “The last thing we want is a story like this detracting from the Rio countdown.”
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/thedopingscandal/article1606790.ece
“We’ll do everything we can to ensure the focus is on the positive news,” she wrote. “The last thing we want is a story like this detracting from the Rio countdown.”
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/thedopingscandal/article1606790.ece
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Talking of sports doctors (assuming you're referring to Mueller-Wohlfahrt).
In the current climate, why don't the Sunday Times or whoever take a poke around in the history of said gentlemen? There are many interesting stories to tell, especially wrt to those Ossi sports doctors who left Germany after Reunification and worked in sports other than athletics.
It's an underdeveloped area of sports reporting.
Dear Wiggo said:
Talking of sports doctors (assuming you're referring to Mueller-Wohlfahrt).
In the current climate, why don't the Sunday Times or whoever take a poke around in the history of said gentlemen? There are many interesting stories to tell, especially wrt to those Ossi sports doctors who left Germany after Reunification and worked in sports other than athletics.
It's an underdeveloped area of sports reporting.
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I think that sums up the media interest in Muller Wohlfart kinda types...
I seem to remember some injured Dutch soccer players being treated with calfsblood, the Dutch media reported on it as of it was some kinda miracle treatment: in reality and in other sports like cycling the media would scream: DOPING.Cake said:
I think that sums up the media interest in Muller Wohlfart kinda types...
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Nope. last tweet was Sept9th. No big article today on Radcliffe in ST.
I guess Walsh is finished with his anti doping stories. Wants to spend his retirement ghosting autobiogs of the sports elites.......
thehog said:the sceptic said:Walsh to the rescue!
Walsh who single handily took down Armstrong? Can he do it again?!
Nope. last tweet was Sept9th. No big article today on Radcliffe in ST.
I guess Walsh is finished with his anti doping stories. Wants to spend his retirement ghosting autobiogs of the sports elites.......
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