Doping In Athletics

[More Strides than Rides]

Oh, and on a different note, I wanted to ask this to the international audience of the forum. I found this facebook page while digging around: a Mexican anti-doping blog/page thing. I used google translate to get the gist (Federation corruption, athlete doping, cover-ups for positives), but I wanted to know were the content falls on the spectrum from tabloid, internet keyboard wizard, or journalism. There are a few interviews and whistleblower stories, and I can't translate the linked documents and images, but just wanted some sense of the tone and validity. Or, if any Mexicans here know its reputation, or the Mexican doping/anti-doping scene

https://www.facebook.com/runnerleaks/

Thanks for any insight.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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Just imagine what would happen if WADA went into World War with a big organization as IAAF?

You are misunderstanding WADA's role. WADA acts at the direction of authorities like sports federations. They have no authority to sanction anyone.

If they were given authority and the incentive to sanction drug cheats, it would be a cold day in hell. If it got cold in hell, yes, LOTS of positives.

 

[mrhender]

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Just imagine what would happen if WADA went into World War with a big organization as IAAF?

You are misunderstanding WADA's role. WADA acts at the direction of authorities like sports federations. They have no authority to sanction anyone.

If they were given authority and the incentive to sanction drug cheats, it would be a cold day in hell. If it got cold in hell, yes, LOTS of positives.

I never implied any sanctions on drug cheats taken by WADA.

Perhaps I did not articulate my point properly, or you interpreted my post in away it was not meant.

Either way let me clarify that I was making a point about the fine line WADA must walk.
Certainly not their ability to sanction athletes.

 

[Benotti69]

WADA appears to be not much more than PR.

 

[Benotti69]

Seems the standard response from those in power is to do the following,

Richard Ings ‏@ringsau 2 hours ago
When this IAAF scandal first broke, Lord Coe castigated the media, denigrated the scientists and capitulated responsibility.

Don't forget

Generally a good sign they are deep up to their necks in it.

Let's hope Diack throws them all under the bus......

 

[The Carrot]

Today's report is supposed to be 'a game changer'. I'm not counting on it. As long as there are fans who want to believe, there will be media people who will exploit them and sports people who will exploit both parties. There's been lots of sporting scandals over the years and nothing ever seems to really change. Probably not a good time to be a drugs cheat hovering just outside the world's top 20 right now.

 

[armchairclimber]

Sean Ingle in the Guardian. Pretty much spot on.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/nov/08/sebastian-coe-iaaf-doping-investigation

 

[gillan1969]

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Sean Ingle in the Guardian. Pretty much spot on.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/nov/08/sebastian-coe-iaaf-doping-investigation

Paula's agent obviously fighting a PR campaign as she appeared on front of Observer yesterday with war veterans.....perhaps I'm being a tad too cynical but.....

 

[Benotti69]

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Sean Ingle in the Guardian. Pretty much spot on.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/nov/08/sebastian-coe-iaaf-doping-investigation

Paula's agent obviously fighting a PR campaign as she appeared on front of Observer yesterday with war veterans.....perhaps I'm being a tad too cynical but.....

Paula has done "too much good for too many people"

 

[Benotti69]

The silence from anti-doping agencies is deafening on the IAAF.

 

[frenchfry]

Paris- French authorities have charged former IAAF president Lamine Diack with corruption linked to covering up doping cases, a legal source said on Wednesday.

The 82-year-old Senegalese, who gave up as International Association of Athletics Federation (IAAF) president in August, was charged in Paris on Monday, the source said.

His advisor, Habib Cisse, a lawyer, was also charged. A doctor linked with the federation's anti-doping measures was being questioned in custody, the source said.

http://www.sport24.co.za/OtherSport/Athletics/International/Ex-IAAF-chief-Lamine-Diack-arrested-20151104

And there's old Seb Coe on his first day at work saying suspicions of IAAF collusion were completely wrong http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/33985484
I hope he's on ITV news sitting next to Paula for his next interview

Knowing what we now know, this interview with Coe is rather insightful as to his integrity. He certainly doesn't appear to be a total idiot, therefore I am assuming his is as corrupt as his ex-president.

 

[frenchfry]

Report co-author Richard McLaren was on the Landis arbitration panel.

 

[gooner]

IOC MEDIA ‏@iocmedia 4m4 minutes ago
IOC Ethics Commission recommends provisional suspension of Mr Lamine Diack as Honorary Member of the IOC

 

[StryderHells]

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The silence from anti-doping agencies is deafening on the IAAF.

To big to fail

 

[The Hitch]

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Oh, and on a different note, I wanted to ask this to the international audience of the forum. I found this facebook page while digging around: a Mexican anti-doping blog/page thing. I used google translate to get the gist (Federation corruption, athlete doping, cover-ups for positives), but I wanted to know were the content falls on the spectrum from tabloid, internet keyboard wizard, or journalism. There are a few interviews and whistleblower stories, and I can't translate the linked documents and images, but just wanted some sense of the tone and validity. Or, if any Mexicans here know its reputation, or the Mexican doping/anti-doping scene

https://www.facebook.com/runnerleaks/

Thanks for any insight.

Does appear a bit tabloidish in some of it's content, but tabloids are generally geared to the masses and this, isn't. They do suggest they have contact with athletes who want to speak out, about corruption in Mexican sport, and they claim to give a platform to them.

 

[mrhender]

The report is out now:

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada_independent_commission_report_1_en.pdf

 

[Irondan]

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The report is out now:

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada_independent_commission_report_1_en.pdf

I think this deserves it's own thread.

 

[mrhender]

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The report is out now:

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada_independent_commission_report_1_en.pdf

I think this deserves it's own thread.

Yes, I agree..

will you open it.

Thanks

 

[Irondan]

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The report is out now:

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada_independent_commission_report_1_en.pdf

I think this deserves it's own thread.

Yes, I agree..

will you open it.

Thanks

Done

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=1837239#p1837239

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Interpol on the job
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34769661

Athletics doping: Interpol to co-ordinate probe...

From the pdf of the report itself

1.6 Overall Outcomes of the IC Investigation
The IC has turned over considerable data and information to Interpol that tends to
demonstrate criminal conduct on the part of certain individuals and organizations.

 

[Benotti69]

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IOC MEDIA ‏@iocmedia 4m4 minutes ago
IOC Ethics Commission recommends provisional suspension of Mr Lamine Diack as Honorary Member of the IOC

I really hope Diack goes full *** and takes as many down with him.

 

[blackcat]

#PR wins on this won [sic]

or this one, if you dont use the anglo #phonics

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

Oh, and on a different note, I wanted to ask this to the international audience of the forum. I found this facebook page while digging around: a Mexican anti-doping blog/page thing. I used google translate to get the gist (Federation corruption, athlete doping, cover-ups for positives), but I wanted to know were the content falls on the spectrum from tabloid, internet keyboard wizard, or journalism. There are a few interviews and whistleblower stories, and I can't translate the linked documents and images, but just wanted some sense of the tone and validity. Or, if any Mexicans here know its reputation, or the Mexican doping/anti-doping scene

https://www.facebook.com/runnerleaks/

Thanks for any insight.

Does appear a bit tabloidish in some of it's content, but tabloids are generally geared to the masses and this, isn't. They do suggest they have contact with athletes who want to speak out, about corruption in Mexican sport, and they claim to give a platform to them.

Columbia cycling shistelblower has recently put out a significant story

 

[MartinGT]

Didnt know where to put this, but thought this was a decent read;

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/12/not-just-russia-britain-corruption-allegations-athletics-sport?CMP=share_btn_tw

 

[The Hitch]

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Didnt know where to put this, but thought this was a decent read;

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/12/not-just-russia-britain-corruption-allegations-athletics-sport?CMP=share_btn_tw

Thanks Martin. That is a good article.

I thought the guardian was meant to be progressive though. So much blind dumb nationalism in the comments section. Even looks like Vickers might have taken his accounts there.

Great Britain is probably the least corrupt least cheaty nation is sport there is. To the point that we could be described as pretty naive. There are countries which can't afford the medical specialists to do it very well. We can, but we don't. There are countries where the expectations of success are low enough so they don't feel the pressure to cheat. We have high expectations and yet, in general, as a nation we don't. And there are nations where cheating "legardemain" is culturally more acceptable than the UK. Being caught here is to be shamed.