Doping In Athletics

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Anaconda said:
BullsFan22 said:
gooner said:
The International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) is bracing itself for fresh allegations about the doping crisis in Russia after German broadcasters ARD/WDR announced they will air part three of their explosive documentary series on Sunday (March 6).

Entitled "Russia's Red Herrings", the TV documentary will be shown at 9.05pm CET on the weekly Sport Inside programme.

The film by Hajo Seppelt and Florian Riesewieck will last for 30 minutes with a full length English version available online immediately after its first broadcast.

http://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1035027/ard-to-screen-third-documentary-on-doping-in-russian-athletics

The fact that Seppelt seems so fixated on Russia and considering ARD is state television, makes me think this, however true or false, is political, more than anything else. All you ever hear from Seppelt is about Russia. He reminds me of David Walsh. Now that British cycling is a major player, he is rather mum and actually very supportive of the sort of dominance he questioned years before Froome and Wiggins and the rest of the Sky/British cycling faithful.

Seppelt has covered Kenya in his docu's. Was he not the journo who broke the Contador clen pos? Whatever you think of him (I think very favorably) he and his unit (and collaborators) have proved to be pretty good bang for the buck compared to the whole Antidoping industrial complex (WADA, NADO's etc)
Hajo Seppelt will be one of the speakers at next week's anti-doping summit in
London. I think this must be at least his third appearance at the conference.
http://www.cecileparkconferences.com/tackling-doping-sport-2016/speakers
 
gooner said:
The International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) is bracing itself for fresh allegations about the doping crisis in Russia after German broadcasters ARD/WDR announced they will air part three of their explosive documentary series on Sunday (March 6).

Entitled "Russia's Red Herrings", the TV documentary will be shown at 9.05pm CET on the weekly Sport Inside programme.

The film by Hajo Seppelt and Florian Riesewieck will last for 30 minutes with a full length English version available online immediately after its first broadcast.

http://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1035027/ard-to-screen-third-documentary-on-doping-in-russian-athletics

I don't know what these shocking new revelations will be but all I know is Baron Lord Coe is the man to clean them up. I believe it will also require a 6 month, $500,000 investigation (consultancy gig) with report from D1ck Pound. I also believe it will require a special new position for Paula Radcliffe within the IAAF.

That should fix up the issues in Russia and the other nations with testing issues where British athletes like to train train so much :rolleyes:
 
Nelson Évora interview. Touches a bit of Lance and Bolt. http://www.publico.pt/desporto/noticia/o-atleta-mostra-que-esta-limpo-por-mostrar-que-nao-e-uma-maquina-1725143

Some translated bits minus the ''I'm cleans, I couldn't disappoint my family, friends, kids by doping'' parts:

''The athlete [in general] shows they're clean by showing they're not a machine''

Doping is a temptation which never attracted Nelson Évora. The human body, he says, is capable of doing ''amazing things'', but not all great sporting feats are genuine and some limits are being surpassed too fast.

Is doping a temptation?

More than that, for many, it's a reality. It's very easy to do. From that point of view, it's a temptation to those with no values, those who do not respect themselves and the others. With globalisation, doping substances are of easy access. With the internet, you can just have them shipped to your home, they go through customs and there's no investigation.

Is it a sign that athletes don't trust their own capacities? They want to take the easiest route?

In high-level sports unique characteristics to develop an activity or discipline are detected early. After that, comes work, and it's all done step-by-step. When each athlete reaches their limit and thinks there's no more they can give, that's when doping comes into the equation. Many think that, to reach further, to get a medal, to win, they have to dope.

The athletes who dope are already very good, they have excellent physical characteristics. It's just that what they take, what they get better at, even if just 2%, can make a difference. Where's our limit? How far can we go? Some still search even if it's a slow progression. [...]

Do you distrust each other during competition?

No. Competition is competition, there's where it hurts, I don't think about it. I'm focused on myself and taking gold. There are, however, sometimes results which raise discomfort, but you have to believe and trust the system, despite all the polemics regarding IAAF, its former president, the son, Russia, Kenya, the doping rings IAAF knew about and decided to muffle. Unless every country sign an international anti-doping law, these things will continue to happen. [...]

What will happen to the Russian athletes?

It's a temporary issue. They're applying a punishment, but no medals will be stripped and justice won't be done. Who might have been in a podium and a final has lost the opportunity because the moment is gone. I think they will be in Rio en masse. [...]

So you never look at a great sporting feat naively, you're always suspicious?

Not always. I think our body is capable of amazing things. I just know what everyone knows, we're not machines. An athlete may run the 100m in 9.59s, but if you tell me that one decade ago an athlete, to go bellow 10s, had to be in the form of his live and would only do it once, twice, thrice a season, I'd believe it. It was a time with less doping cases and less control. Nowdays, they always run bellow 10s. Even in training. These results which they now do with a leg over their backs were pure excellency 10 years ago. The human race has not evolved that much. Technology may have, but nothing that would explain it.

What many athletes now do is ridicularize what has been done for over a century. While it used to evolve a hundredth over a hundredth, all of a sudden two tenths were taken. Sometimes that happens, as in long jump with Bob Beamon. He did something which back then may have risen some doubts, but then you could see the consistency in his results. The athlete shows they're clean by showing they're not a machine. When they achieve great results not when they want but when but when all nuances work together for that to happen, in a final, in a meeting. Athletes nowdays look like machines, they come on the track and everybody knows they will a godly performance, certainly bellow any record established decades ago.

How many times a year are you tested for doping?

I don't do many controls a year. I had a period, in 08-09, when I did more tests. In 2011 I had my biological passport done and saw the amount of testing reduced. I think there should be more. I know there are fails in the system, how can I trust the rest?

What's your opinion on Lance Armstrong, before and after he got caught?

I think everybody knew he was doped. I saw the doco and he said they were all doped and he was just the best. Lance was doped and everybody knew it, yet everybody stood shocked when he reveiled it to the world. They took his titles from him, but we know the others were on it too. They placed him at the top knowing he was doped, they protected him because he moade the sport fly.

The same happens with Usain Bolt. If he ever gets caught, athletics loses its main pillar. The same way Armstrong was cycling's pillar, Bolt is athletics'. He fills in stadiums. Are all athletes doped? No, they're not, but people pay to see the show. Ben Johnson came to Portugal and I was there to see him. Organisations think like that, they focus on entertainment and profit.
 
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Russia still ignoring their ban.

MOSCOW (Reuters) – Russia continues to violate anti-doping rules despite its suspension from international track and field and orders from world athletics’ governing body, the IAAF, to eradicate cheating, Germany’s ARD broadcaster said on Sunday.

ARD said coaches suspended in the worst corruption and doping scandal to hit the IAAF were still working in the sport while others continued to provide banned substances to athletes.

http://www.euronews.com/sport/3162807-russia-still-violating-iaaf-rules-over-doping-ard-report/
 
gooner said:
Russia still ignoring their ban.

MOSCOW (Reuters) – Russia continues to violate anti-doping rules despite its suspension from international track and field and orders from world athletics’ governing body, the IAAF, to eradicate cheating, Germany’s ARD broadcaster said on Sunday.

ARD said coaches suspended in the worst corruption and doping scandal to hit the IAAF were still working in the sport while others continued to provide banned substances to athletes.

http://www.euronews.com/sport/3162807-russia-still-violating-iaaf-rules-over-doping-ard-report/


I guess the funny part is that Coe let the Russians dope like crazy at London why would they think anything is different now. They also see Farah and Radcliffe still getting lauded so why should they clean up. Too funny. It's all just too funny for words.

Besides there is an impressive drug trafficking ring behind all this, that is not going close down overnight.

Mo Farah to be training in Moscow before we know it :rolleyes:
 
With "credit" to Google translate - Russia's Red Herrings -

https://presse.wdr.de/plounge/tv/wdr_fernsehen/2016/03/20160306_sport_inside.html
"sport inside" - 06.03.2016, 22.05 Uhr, WDR Fernsehen
(I couldn't see any link to an English language version of the program.)

Russia is currently the world suspended Athletics violating massively against the requirements of the World Athletics Federation (IAAF) and the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), thus risking the definitive exclusion from the Olympic Games in Rio de Janeiro. This is the finding of research by the ARD / WDR-Doping editors around the award-winning author Hajo Seppelt. "Geheimsache Doping: Russia deception" is the new, 30-minute third part of his TV documentaries about the doping system in Russia, in the background magazine "sport inside" (WDR television, Sunday, 22:05) is sent. It presents the ARD / WDR-Doping editors numerous documents in audio and video form about the violations of the Russian Athletics against the requirements of the World Federation and WADA. The ARD Sportschau sends on Sunday already at 18 o'clock a brief summary of exciting and shocking reportage.
The two previous documentaries of Hajo Seppelt and his team of ARD / WDR-Doping editors had led in November 2015 to the fact that the IAAF ruled out Russia's athletes indefinitely from all international competitions. Russia's sports leadership vowed then improvement and promised fundamental reforms. Lip service, as the new documentation proves.
Locked coach train deep into the Russian province on as if nothing had happened. Other coaches are proving to be still active doping agent-dealer. And a newly elected leader of the Russian Anti-Doping Agency Rusada has in the past for this doping controls with assets discussed how the ARD / WDR-Doping editorial occupy present documents.
"If an official intentionally athletes advance notice of doping tests to undermine the control system, disciplinary consequences must follow. This needs to be investigated, and the consequence would be that this person is fired, "said Joseph de Pencier shows appalled by the search of the ARD / WDR-Doping editors. The chairman of the International Association of National Anti-Doping Organizations (INADO) wants clarity in terms of Russia: "We are very skeptical. According to current knowledge, the Russian athletes should not be admitted to the 2016 Olympic Games ".
Even Germany's top athletics official, Clemens Prokop is, with his patience probably at the end. "Obviously, the situation as it has been criticized by the WADA Commission, not substantially changed", says the president of the German Athletics Association and speaks plainly: "This can only mean that the condition for the Olympic participation of Russian athletes is not given. "
 
thehog said:
gooner said:
Russia still ignoring their ban.

MOSCOW (Reuters) – Russia continues to violate anti-doping rules despite its suspension from international track and field and orders from world athletics’ governing body, the IAAF, to eradicate cheating, Germany’s ARD broadcaster said on Sunday.

ARD said coaches suspended in the worst corruption and doping scandal to hit the IAAF were still working in the sport while others continued to provide banned substances to athletes.

http://www.euronews.com/sport/3162807-russia-still-violating-iaaf-rules-over-doping-ard-report/


I guess the funny part is that Coe let the Russians dope like crazy at London why would they think anything is different know. They also see Farah and Radcliffe still getting lauded so why should they clean up. Too funny. It's all just too funny for words.

Besides there is an impressive drug trafficking ring behind all this, that is not going close down overnight.

Mo Farah to be training in Moscow before we know it :rolleyes:

Are you sure about these points? I've barely seen them discussed here before. :rolleyes:
 
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TourOfSardinia said:
What a 2012 Farce gold -> silver -> bronze

Olympic 1500m silver medallist Gamze Bulut has been provisionally suspended pending an IAAF investigation into a possible doping violation.
She had been in line to be upgraded to London 2012 gold, but her silver medal is now ...

http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/35745756
Seb Coe's distance exposed as a doping circus.
Shocker.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XGVKE3yrXs

While the content is sound, I am more and more uncomfortable with the tunnel vision to go after Russia and Russia only. No reports from Kenya even this time around? Just a corrupt Malaysian?
A lot of effort and even risk goes into getting this footage and info. Why is it not (never) directed at the nations beating Russia?
The amount of times Russia was mentionned within half an hour...was there room to squeeze it in one more time? It feels like brainwashing already. And of course the mandatory Putin angle. It's always there.
While the intel seems legit, I feel it's singling out one nation when they cannot possibly be the only ones to dope hard. They're just more blatant about it. No way one nation would dope hard and then only at best come alongside more mainstream accepted nations. Race walking, yeah, they dominate that perhaps. But there are more sports, and even more nations.
IAAF seems to have been singled out as the federation to be sacrificed. A slowly dying sport. Fewer and fewer top contenders can do it professionally.
Who decided that ARD would single out Russia and Athletics? All Seppelt's initiave? Were there other journalists with similars research to escalate, other sports and countries? Surely there are safer countries to go and expose top players?
 
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legitimate questions and comments, cloxxki.

in fairness to Seppelt, it's possible that he's simply gotten absorbed by the Russia case.
He and his team may have received threats. The Stepanovs have received threats, that much seems sure.
And Seppelt's team probably receive quite a bit of new intel on Russia on a daily basis.
All of which may have contributed to Seppelt really putting his teeth in the Russia case and, for now, turn a blind a eye to other countries.

That said, I totally agree with the sentiment of your post.
 
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Catwhoorg said:
http://www.runnersworld.com/performance-enhancing-drugs/update-how-tainted-was-the-womens-1500-in-london

6 of the top 9 busted.

Not quite on a Par with the Seoul 100M but getting there.

"Cleanest games* my aunt Nellie
Reminds me of Boris Johnson passionately defending London 2012 just a few months ago as not at all being tainted by doping.

I mean if world renowned anti doping expert Boris Johnson says so, who are we to argue.
 
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sniper said:
legitimate questions and comments, cloxxki.

in fairness to Seppelt, it's possible that he's simply gotten absorbed by the Russia case.
He and his team may have received threats. The Stepanovs have received threats, that much seems sure.
And Seppelt's team probably receive quite a bit of new intel on Russia on a daily basis.
All of which may have contributed to Seppelt really putting his teeth in the Russia case and, for now, turn a blind a eye to other countries.

That said, I totally agree with the sentiment of your post.
Cheers sniper.

It's curious how the country that seems to actually KILL to get silence, produces so much evidence. Whistle blowers, banned coaches pranching around training facilities, known dope dealers taking their thrown at championships. Such contradictions.
Are the Russians perhaps a bit blunt and primal in their threats? How do Brits, Norwegians and Americans go about keeping the silence they require? A more quid pro quo type of arrangement, where character assassination is the key threat when no co-operation is obtained? Not an incriminating word on the phone or even in emails, at worst it takes exrapolation to see that Seb's marketing agengy is just a front (of many) for bribe inflows.

This would be the best investigative journalism if the fruit was not hanging so close to the ground, the evidence for everyone to see in plain view. Seppelt gets a lot of support from within the IAAF and Russian athletics community. Other countries are just much more loyal and silent. And they dominate other stuff than race walking.
Perhaps Seppelt is just affraid of Voodoo, that he doesn't go following Jamaican coaches around ;-)
 
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The Hitch said:
Catwhoorg said:
http://www.runnersworld.com/performance-enhancing-drugs/update-how-tainted-was-the-womens-1500-in-london

6 of the top 9 busted.

Not quite on a Par with the Seoul 100M but getting there.

"Cleanest games* my aunt Nellie
Reminds me of Boris Johnson passionately defending London 2012 just a few months ago as not at all being tainted by doping.

I mean if world renowned anti doping expert Boris Johnson says so, who are we to argue.

Boris Johnson's knowledge of science = https://youtu.be/Tobxmn6A1SU


(05:55-08:15)
 
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sniper said:
legitimate questions and comments, cloxxki.

in fairness to Seppelt, it's possible that he's simply gotten absorbed by the Russia case.
He and his team may have received threats. The Stepanovs have received threats, that much seems sure.
And Seppelt's team probably receive quite a bit of new intel on Russia on a daily basis.
All of which may have contributed to Seppelt really putting his teeth in the Russia case and, for now, turn a blind a eye to other countries.

That said, I totally agree with the sentiment of your post.

If that were the case, he would be working outside the government funded ARD. It's obvious ARD and the German government has an agenda. I follow the news in Germany and every day there is something negative posted about Russia. Why did it take him until 2014/2015 to do these 'investigations?' Why after Sochi and London? Why not after Torino 2006, or Sydney 2000, for example?
 
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BullsFan22 said:
sniper said:
legitimate questions and comments, cloxxki.

in fairness to Seppelt, it's possible that he's simply gotten absorbed by the Russia case.
He and his team may have received threats. The Stepanovs have received threats, that much seems sure.
And Seppelt's team probably receive quite a bit of new intel on Russia on a daily basis.
All of which may have contributed to Seppelt really putting his teeth in the Russia case and, for now, turn a blind a eye to other countries.

That said, I totally agree with the sentiment of your post.

If that were the case, he would be working outside the government funded ARD. It's obvious ARD and the German government has an agenda. I follow the news in Germany and every day there is something negative posted about Russia. Why did it take him until 2014/2015 to do these 'investigations?' Why after Sochi and London? Why not after Torino 2006, or Sydney 2000, for example?
Ow, there could be an agenda, I'm not discarding that.
I don't think though that the anti-Russian agenda is very Germany-specific.
Antirussian pieces appear in newspapers across the globe on a daily basis (at least that's my impression).
But sure, it's conceivable that ARD have given Seppelt funding to target Russia.
Crazier things have happened.
Hajo himself, otoh, it's hard to accuse him of an agenda.
He was approached by whistleblowers. What else should he have done?
And seems reasonable to imagine that he has since become absorbed by this story.
His investigative record speaks for itself though. And it's not Russia only.

@cloxxki, good food for thought.
 
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well yeah, possible.
Which makes you wonder why she's so aware of SOL. There is no apparent reason for her to bring SOL into this.
Or maybe there is...
 
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sniper said:
BullsFan22 said:
sniper said:
legitimate questions and comments, cloxxki.

in fairness to Seppelt, it's possible that he's simply gotten absorbed by the Russia case.
He and his team may have received threats. The Stepanovs have received threats, that much seems sure.
And Seppelt's team probably receive quite a bit of new intel on Russia on a daily basis.
All of which may have contributed to Seppelt really putting his teeth in the Russia case and, for now, turn a blind a eye to other countries.

That said, I totally agree with the sentiment of your post.

If that were the case, he would be working outside the government funded ARD. It's obvious ARD and the German government has an agenda. I follow the news in Germany and every day there is something negative posted about Russia. Why did it take him until 2014/2015 to do these 'investigations?' Why after Sochi and London? Why not after Torino 2006, or Sydney 2000, for example?
Ow, there could be an agenda, I'm not discarding that.
I don't think though that the anti-Russian agenda is very Germany-specific.
Antirussian pieces appear in newspapers across the globe on a daily basis (at least that's my impression).
But sure, it's conceivable that ARD have given Seppelt funding to target Russia.
Crazier things have happened.
Hajo himself, otoh, it's hard to accuse him of an agenda.
He was approached by whistleblowers. What else should he have done?
And seems reasonable to imagine that he has since become absorbed by this story.
His investigative record speaks for itself though. And it's not Russia only.

@cloxxki, good food for thought.

Again, the timing of the so-called 'investigation' and the primary target seems fishy to me. People have already replied here and said that he's made reports on German doping as well, but what happened with that? Nothing, really.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-23573169

Has he come out and said, 'there was and is systematic doping in Germany?' And please, don't differentiate between the east and west. It's all Germany. The West Germans were influenced by the Americans as much as the East Germans were influenced by the Soviets. The Bundesliga is rife with doping. I hardly heard a peep from him. Football is the biggest sport in Germany, it is advertised all around the world. The Bundesliga is arguably the top league in the world, and the German national team rarely plays a poor competition, obviously winning the last WC in 2014 and a strong candidate to repeat in 2018 and also win this years Euros in France. Too big to fail? How come nobody took the reigns on the doping in German football? Even the non-doping scandals in Germany, within the German federations, in regards to the 2006 World Cup take a back seat to the scandals revolving the Russia 2018 bid. Oh, there's bias and specific agendas at play alright.