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I enjoyed this multiple-choice question from the #TDIS2016:
https://twitter.com/Sport_Integrity/status/707574145559752704
let me guess the next question.
which sports governor promised to make antidoping independent under his mandate but ended up making it more dependent than it was ever before?
which sports governor sends trolls into the clinic to do cheap PR on his behalf?
which sports governor had his son working for the team he should be policing and failed to admit it's a conflict of interest?

easy ones. :)
 
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IAAF tops WADAs list of active issues.

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IAAF tops WADAs list of active issues.

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WTF is 'clean athlete' definition?????

That doesn't need explaining surely!

A 'clean athlete' so hard to find nowadays so lets decided the level of doping before an athlete is considered 'unclean'

FAIL!
 
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totally.

the "Spanish blood bags" is a fail too. There may have been other nationalities among the BBs.

Biggest fail is probably "IOC proposal for independent testing".
Jeezus christ.
 
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sniper said:
the "Spanish blood bags" is a fail too. There may have been other nationalities among the BBs.

Biggest fail is probably "IOC proposal for independent testing".
Jeezus christ.

In fairness, it's the Spanish judiciary that are blocking the identification of the athletes.
Putting that on the screen at least keeps the pressure on.. We were supposed to get an answer in January, but apparently the judges couldn't agree on a verdict, so we're still in limbo.
 
Lifetime ban from all sport for the coach Dr George Skafidas handed out by UKAD.

Press release:
http://www.ukad.org.uk/news/article/athletics-coach-dr-george-skafidas-receives-lifetime-ban-from-all-sport

Full decision:
www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/a/7012

9 charges in total, trafficking, administration, sample and evidence tampering...

In the related case of Bernice Wilson, the sole point of arbitration was over what date her ban should start.
40 months was agreed upon, as was the 75% reduction to 10 months due to substantial assistance (in getting the above life ban).

UKAD wanted the ban to start at the end of the ban she was serving (July 2015), the athlete contended that the rules provided for the ban to start when she gave the OOC sample (Feb 12th 2015). The arbitor found for the athlete.

Link to this decision
http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/a/7013
 
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Lies, Corruption And Cronyism: It's Called Thursday And Friday At The IAAF
Forty-eight hours of the most idiotic, baldface lies and studiously overlooked corruption spread around amongst smirking, backslapping insiders in a posh setting—the IAAF calls that Thursday and Friday.

http://fittish.deadspin.com/lies-corruption-and-cronyism-its-called-thursday-and-1764330790

On the topic of IAAF corruption, here's a brilliant post from a certain rjm33, third post from the top:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6881090&page=51
Nicely elaborates on how the IAAF helped Paula cover up her [insert non-libelous name for you know what].
 
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sniper said:
arcus said:
Lies, Corruption And Cronyism: It's Called Thursday And Friday At The IAAF
Forty-eight hours of the most idiotic, baldface lies and studiously overlooked corruption spread around amongst smirking, backslapping insiders in a posh setting—the IAAF calls that Thursday and Friday.

http://fittish.deadspin.com/lies-corruption-and-cronyism-its-called-thursday-and-1764330790

On the topic of IAAF corruption, here's a brilliant post from a certain rjm33, third post from the top:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6881090&page=51
Nicely elaborates on how the IAAF helped Paula cover up her [insert non-libelous name for you know what].

Its a good post. Raise some interesting questions.

Maybe the intrepid David Walsh is on the case? :rolleyes:

The IAAF in their reports just explained away high OFF scores in isolation. They never discussed or even mentioned the prerace OFF scores of 82 and 92. They never mentioned or explained the incredible 33 point increase in 2 days or 18 point increase in 1 day. The most suspicious elements of Paula's blood tests, the rapid and large magnitude changes in OFF scores are completely ignored and are completely absent in the report, which I find to be highly suspicious. The most suspicious elements are OMITTED in the IAAF report! That sure is strange, isn't it?

Then Paula refers to her blood test expert in an article, as the lab director of the Lausanne lab, but never mentions his name. Why not ? His name of course is Dr. Martial Saugy!!! Informed readers would know the history of Dr. Martial Saugy, which includes destroying 67 Russian samples. The fact that Paula has him as her blood test expert is very, very, very suspicious!

And of course nothing before the 2009 ABP actually counts (including Shobukhova's outrageous OFF scores) because there could of possibly been massive lab error/variation to explain Paula's rapid and massive 33 point and 18 point changes. Any blood test result before 2009, according to the IAAF and rekrunner, no matter how outrageous (like Shobukhova's results) simply do not count!!! So that is just too bad for all you Paula doubters!!! Lots of other athletes were tested pre and post race on the same equipment at the same labs on the same days. Where are all of their lab errors? There should be many other athletes with abnormal changes if it was due to lab variation. In fact, if the lab error was this large, hopefully the results would have all been thrown out, and would have never entered the IAAF database, to then be leaked later. But they were entered. Is there massive lab error affecting other athletes or is lab error just affecting Paula again and again?

The IAAF had suspicious blood tests on Shobukhova going back nine years before they did anything. Without a positive EPO test, and no ABP before 2009, it seems there wasn't much they could do or wanted to do. The IAAF
also has suspicious blood test results for Kenyan athletes who have won medals at the Olympics and world championships, but we have not seen any of those so far, or the names on the 200 blood bags of Dr. Fuentes, which includes winners of the London marathon.

To give Paula a small break on all this, at least she has not shown (so far) any evidence of outrageous EPO use with consequent outrageous hemoglobin values of 18 to 21 g/dl, such as some athletes have shown.

While it may be possible to produce outrageous, world class, world record performances with normal hemoglobin values, we know that many outrageous performances were obtained with outrageous hemoglobin values.

Paula could be transparent, and remove all doubts about her outrageous 2:15 and two 2:17 marathon performances, by releasing normal looking pre and post-race hemoglobin values from these races, but she chooses not to so far, so the doubts and suspicion about her will stay for now. What do you think, readers? If you had normal looking scores from your best races, and there were doubts about you, wouldn't you release them? I know I would. I think it adds to suspicions to not release them at this point.

Do you think Paula's hemoglobin values and OFF scores around her outrageous races were normal or outrageous?

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6881090&page=51#ixzz43TC7dGr8
 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b075vsq8/can-seb-coe-save-athletics

'Can Seb Coe save athletics?' was on BBC1 yesterday, and involved Baron Coe being given a really hard time by Steve Cram as a preamble to the BBC's coverage of the World 1/2 marathon champs, which, incidentally, were dominated by people who train in Kenya. Oh, and commentated on by people who train in Kenya.

Anyways Steve, I though Usain Bolt saved athletics back in August?
 
The Carrot said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b075vsq8/can-seb-coe-save-athletics

'Can Seb Coe save athletics?' was on BBC1 yesterday, and involved Baron Coe being given a really hard time by Steve Cram as a preamble to the BBC's coverage of the World 1/2 marathon champs, which, incidentally, were dominated by people who train in Kenya. Oh, and commentated on by people who train in Kenya.

Anyways Steve, I though Usain Bolt saved athletics back in August?
Just watching some of it on bbc 2. Worth a real laugh. Coe saying that athletics is leading the way in the fight against doping. lol.
 
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WADA says doping cases from 2005 worlds are past time limit

The World Anti-Doping Agency said in an e-mail to The Associated Press that the IAAF wrongly interpreted a rule change in April 2015 when it decided to retest samples from the 2005 and 2007 world championships. Testers found 28 athletes had tested positive at both championships, but only the samples from 2005 missed the deadline.

The IAAF believed it was able to retest the 2005 samples because the statute of limitations in the WADA code had increased to 10 years in 2015, but WADA said the previous eight-year limit should have been used.

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/wada-says-doping-cases-from-2005-worlds-are-past-time-limit/

This beggars belief :rolleyes: .
 
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arcus said:
WADA says doping cases from 2005 worlds are past time limit

The World Anti-Doping Agency said in an e-mail to The Associated Press that the IAAF wrongly interpreted a rule change in April 2015 when it decided to retest samples from the 2005 and 2007 world championships. Testers found 28 athletes had tested positive at both championships, but only the samples from 2005 missed the deadline.

The IAAF believed it was able to retest the 2005 samples because the statute of limitations in the WADA code had increased to 10 years in 2015, but WADA said the previous eight-year limit should have been used.

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/wada-says-doping-cases-from-2005-worlds-are-past-time-limit/

This beggars belief :rolleyes: .

Who won the women's marathon at the 2005 World Championships? I can't remember..... :rolleyes:

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I was having a conversation with some people about doping in sports today. They were adamant Bolt doesn't dope. Its because he has height.

At the end though, they all begrudgingly admitted to me that they merely "hope" he is clean, but understand it might very well not be true. I think a few more doping scandals over the next few years and ordinary people will become more cynical. Of course the idiots at the bbc and bike radar will continue to believe in santa no matter what, but I think ordinary people are beginning to see.
 
The Hitch said:
I was having a conversation with some people about doping in sports today. They were adamant Bolt doesn't dope. Its because he has height.

At the end though, they all begrudgingly admitted to me that they merely "hope" he is clean, but understand it might very well not be true. I think a few more doping scandals over the next few years and ordinary people will become more cynical. Of course the idiots at the bbc and bike radar will continue to believe in santa no matter what, but I think ordinary people are beginning to see.

Cynical? No. I think most people will be "just let them all dope and be done with it," or "everyone dopes, so what?"
 
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The Hitch said:
I was having a conversation with some people about doping in sports today. They were adamant Bolt doesn't dope. Its because he has height.

At the end though, they all begrudgingly admitted to me that they merely "hope" he is clean, but understand it might very well not be true. I think a few more doping scandals over the next few years and ordinary people will become more cynical. Of course the idiots at the bbc and bike radar will continue to believe in santa no matter what, but I think ordinary people are beginning to see.

Cynical? No. I think most people will be "just let them all dope and be done with it," or "everyone dopes, so what?"
Exactly. There is more than one way to turn a blind eye to things.
 
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The Hitch said:
I was having a conversation with some people about doping in sports today. They were adamant Bolt doesn't dope. Its because he has height.

At the end though, they all begrudgingly admitted to me that they merely "hope" he is clean, but understand it might very well not be true. I think a few more doping scandals over the next few years and ordinary people will become more cynical. Of course the idiots at the bbc and bike radar will continue to believe in santa no matter what, but I think ordinary people are beginning to see.


It's a funny thing though isn't it. I'm UK based, and throughout my 4 decades of following pro cycling the constant refrain from non-fans would be "ah, they all take drugs, don't they". Prior to the upsurge of GB cycling on the track and then on the road almost the only thing people in the UK knew about cycling was that "they take drugs", but the implications being that other sports dope.

So, it isn't the case that the new generation of UK cycling fans have come into this ignorant of the doping problem in the sport.

But if you get into sport what is it that you are wanting to get into? It's enjoying spectacular feats that you couldn't do yourself. So, the moment you get into that the mindset required is one of not being open to believing that what you are witnessing is anything other than real....otherwise what's the point?

It's like a much more covert and suppressed version of the mindset that allows people to enjoy British wrestling where the whole thing is fixed, everybody knows it, and it is pure showmanship.

So you are right, it is a form of "hope", people want heroes. The thought processes behind this aren't rational, they are similar to what happens when you watch a movie, or read a novel. If the thought processes aren't rational then neither are the reactions which is why you hear such a bizarre disconnect when people are comparing the behaviour of their heroes with their competitors.
 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36055238

Deaths of 18 athletes since the 2012 games being referred to as a curse. Obviously I'm not suggesting that 18 people have died from performance enhancing drugs, however it would be interesting to see the causes. Its amusing that people could entertain the idea that a high number of people dying is because of a curse instead of a cocktail of drugs though.
 
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*** Pounds interviewed on BBCs hardTALK. Talks about IAAF scandal, and his (continued) defense of Coe's leadership at IAAF.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b079znp4/hardtalk-***-pound-former-president-world-antidoping-agency
 
Kipchoge is a very talented runner, I'll give him that. He was already winning major titles as a teenager. Remember him outsmarting and out kicking Bekele and El Guerrouj in the Paris 5000m in 2003? He was a teenager still at the time. Medals at 5000m at the 2004 and 2008 Olympics. A number of big marathon titles. Still, with the Kenyans coming under a lot of scrutiny and their long distance performances over the years questioned, I would be very suspicious of him, particularly with times like the ones he put up in London.
 

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