Doping In Athletics

[Benotti69]

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What's the fuss - It's well known that athletes will take any supplement to improve performance - Usually these will be products that are WADA compliant - And there's no guarantee these wacky products will help performance.

still trying to muddy the waters Yaco.

Mo Farah, me and L-carnitine by Oliver Duggan

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/28/mo-farah-me-l-carnatine-drugs-sport

 

[yaco]

Re: Re:

What's the fuss - It's well known that athletes will take any supplement to improve performance - Usually these will be products that are WADA compliant - And there's no guarantee these wacky products will help performance.

still trying to muddy the waters Yaco.

Mo Farah, me and L-carnitine by Oliver Duggan

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/28/mo-farah-me-l-carnatine-drugs-sport

How I am muddying the waters - Have always posted that around 90% of track and field athletes dope - And this comes from acquaintances who are close to the scene - Whether you like it or not L-carnitine is not on the WADA prohibited list - As I've previously posted athletes will take any type of supplement ( whether it works or not ) to gain an advantage - This is the nature of professional sport.

 

[Benotti69]

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What's the fuss - It's well known that athletes will take any supplement to improve performance - Usually these will be products that are WADA compliant - And there's no guarantee these wacky products will help performance.

still trying to muddy the waters Yaco.

Mo Farah, me and L-carnitine by Oliver Duggan

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/28/mo-farah-me-l-carnatine-drugs-sport

How I am muddying the waters - Have always posted that around 90% of track and field athletes dope - And this comes from acquaintances who are close to the scene - Whether you like it or not L-carnitine is not on the WADA prohibited list - As I've previously posted athletes will take any type of supplement ( whether it works or not ) to gain an advantage - This is the nature of professional sport.

"What's the fuss...."

".....there's no guarantee these wacky products will help performance"

 

[woodburn]

Best part ...

Salazar reportedly emailed disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong with excitement after testing out L-carnitine. “Lance call me asap! We have tested it and it’s amazing,” Salazar wrote.

 

[mike75]

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What's the fuss - It's well known that athletes will take any supplement to improve performance - Usually these will be products that are WADA compliant - And there's no guarantee these wacky products will help performance.

Your pro-Brit, anti-American viewpoint is so glaringly obvious. One page back and you're ripping into USADA, basically saying they are colluding with cheating athletes, yet here you are defending another Brit (like Froome and Wiggins, I've noticed) from essentially the same thing.

I may not agree with some posters who think every little "strange" thing these athletes do is somehow doping (mech or chem) related, but at least they are consistent in wanting ALL cheats exposed. The most annoying thing is when people like you pick and choose who to defend. Frankly, you lose credibility IMO when you seem to be so biased for some and not others.

 

[yaco]

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What's the fuss - It's well known that athletes will take any supplement to improve performance - Usually these will be products that are WADA compliant - And there's no guarantee these wacky products will help performance.

Your pro-Brit, anti-American viewpoint is so glaringly obvious. One page back and you're ripping into USADA, basically saying they are colluding with cheating athletes, yet here you are defending another Brit (like Froome and Wiggins, I've noticed) from essentially the same thing.

I may not agree with some posters who think every little "strange" thing these athletes do is somehow doping (mech or chem) related, but at least they are consistent in wanting ALL cheats exposed. The most annoying thing is when people like you pick and choose who to defend. Frankly, you lose credibility IMO when you seem to be so biased for some and not others.

Really - You should read my posts when i rip into Australia's ASADA - I've ripped into the compilation of jurists for CAS - The unsuitability of WADA's prohibited list, how they advertise prohibited substances - I've already posted about the Salazar accusations regarding the L Supplement in which I clearly stated it's not a WADA prohibited substance , so there is nothing to see - I've already posted the Sky ' Jiffy bag ' will go nowhere unless the whistle-blower can provide hard documentary evidence.

The strangest thing is the post you quoted is defending Salazar an American coach - Think its you who have the blinkers on.

 

[Robert5091]

http://rapsinews.com/judicial_news/20170313/277986194.html

The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) in Lausanne has disqualified for life ex-Deputy Director of the Russian research Institute of physical culture and sports (VNIIFK), Sergey Portugalov, involved in a doping scandal, the Russian Athletic Federation announced on its website on Monday.

The CAS ruling has become effective.

Earlier, doctor Portugalov was found guilty of violating several articles of anti-doping rules of the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) including possession of a prohibited substance, trafficking or attempted trafficking of a prohibited substance, administration of a prohibited substance.

 

[Kokoso]

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From memory Kreuziger...beat the BSP

No, he didn't. Don't make things up.

 

[GuyIncognito]

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Didn't he? Last I remember he was exonerated, no?

 

[yaco]

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From memory Kreuziger...beat the BSP

No, he didn't. Don't make things up.

You post in this part of the forum yet you have no knowledge of one of the most significant doping cases in the last
ten years - UCI and WADA dropped their BSP case against Kreuziger in May 2015 - And it was reported widely on Cycling News.

I've always had my doubts about the accuracy of the Biological Passport Program.

 

[BullsFan22]

Doping via anabolic steroids in the old West Germany:

http://www1.wdr.de/fernsehen/sport-inside/doping-west-100.html

 

[BullsFan22]

Doping via anabolic steroids in the old West Germany:

http://www1.wdr.de/fernsehen/sport-inside/doping-west-100.html

WADA is aware of the study that looks into doping in athletics in West Germany and will, according to the follow up article to original one I posted above, look into this. Not sure what they can do about it, 25-50 years after the fact, but still, should be interesting. I am glad that the article and video, as relatively short as they are, do talk a little bit about the Freiburg institute for medicine (part of the Freiburg University), the infamous spot for many doping and doping related cases in German sport (cycling, skiing, track and field and football Bundesliga-SC Freiburg, VfB Stuttgart, among others).

 

[Robert5091]

https://www.olympic.org/news/ioc-sa...2012-following-a-targeted-wave-of-re-analyses
In order to support the investigations of Prof. McLaren and his team, the IOC ordered a number of targeted re-analyses of Russian athletes’ samples during the course of 2016.

As part of this process, the IOC today announced that four Russian athletes have been disqualified from the Olympic Games London 2012.

http://www.thestar.com.my/sport/ath...ur-russians-from-london-olympics-over-doping/
The IOC said all four - Victoria Valyukevich, a triple jumper who was eighth in the women's competition, hammer throwers Gulfiya Khanafeeva and Mariia Bespalova, and weightlifter Khadzhimurat Akkaev, who did not compete due to a back injury, had tested positive for anabolic steroid turinabol.

The disqualification means they are stripped from London 2012's records. Valyukevich, having come in eighth, will also have to return a diploma she received for her finish.

More than 100 athletes have so had positive results in re-tests of samples taken during the London and Beijing 2008 Olympics conducted by the IOC.

 

[Robert5091]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/39477302
The IAAF says its has been hacked by the 'Fancy Bears' group and fears that athletes' therapeutic use exemption (TUE) data has been compromised.

Athletics' world governing body was notified last month but it is unaware whether information was stolen.

Athletes who have applied for a TUE were contacted on Monday.

IAAF president Lord Coe said: "Our first priority is to the athletes who have provided information they believed would be secure and confidential."

His statement added: "They have our sincerest apologies and our total commitment to continue to do everything in our power to remedy the situation and work with the world's best organisations to create as safe an environment as we can."

The IAAF revealed that "the presence of unauthorised remote access to the IAAF network by the attackers was noted on 21 February".

 

[Cake]

Let's hope this puts the cat among the pigeons just as the Fancy Bears hacked TUE data did in cycling. At least it gives something else for the DCMS select committee to get their teeth into.

 

[Robert5091]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/39486028
https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/2015_adrvs_report_overview_web.pdf
More than 1,900 athletes were sanctioned for doping in 2015, new World Anti-Doping Agency figures show.

The 1,929 punishments for failed drug tests were an increase of 14% on the previous year, when 1,693 doping offences were carried out.

Wada says increased focus on investigations, intelligence gathering and whistleblowing are behind the rise.

"Recent events have shown investigative work is becoming ever more important," said Wada president Sir Craig Reedie. However he added that "testing remains vital to detecting doping".

The latest Wada figures, though, are based on 2015 data. Its 2015 Anti-Doping Rule Violations Report shows there were 2,522 'adverse analytical findings' from 229,412 samples, of which 1,929 led to action against athletes.

The number of samples taken was 5% up on the 217,762 taken in 2014.

The figures do not include more than 70,000 tests and 1,200 failed tests which were not processed through Wada's anti-doping administration system (Adams). Many professional sports in North America do not use the Adams system

 

[DirtyWorks]

Does anyone remember the Jamaican T&F results from the 2008 games? It turns out they just might have been doping. Possibly. :lol:

http://sportsscientists.com/2017/04/jamaican-clenbuterol-positives-procedural-failure-credibility/

Surprising no one, not a single case opened.

One more example of the federation burying positives. Jamaica must have payed Diack well!

 

[GraftPunk]

I'm curious what suspicious levels are considered to be knowing Contie's extremely small amount lost him a few high profile titles.

 

[BullsFan22]

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Let's hope this puts the cat among the pigeons just as the Fancy Bears hacked TUE data did in cycling. At least it gives something else for the DCMS select committee to get their teeth into.

The only reason that Coe, Diack et al are concerned about the hacks is because it will expose the IAAF further, just the way it exposes Sir Wiggles A Lot, Sir Davey, not because of any bogus 'privacy.'

 

[Fork-in-the-Road]

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Does anyone remember the Jamaican T&F results from the 2008 games? It turns out they just might have been doping. Possibly. :lol:

http://sportsscientists.com/2017/04/jamaican-clenbuterol-positives-procedural-failure-credibility/

Surprising no one, not a single case opened.

One more example of the federation burying positives. Jamaica must have payed Diack well!

You should read Richard Moore's book, The Bolt Supremacy. A fair discussion of Jamaican track and field.

 

[yaco]

Strange that the article discusses athletes from different countries - I suppose you can cherry pick information to suit a narrative - My understanding is that WADA introduced a threshhold for clenbuterol of less than 1 ng/ml would not be actioned - There have been a few precedents of this happening in recent years - The Michael Rogers case from the Japan Cup,after he spent the previous week racing in China, heaps of positives at a FIFA Youth Cup in Mexico were not actioned - At the end of the day because the positives occurred in Beijing which is in China it's no surprise WADA and the IOC have issued no anti-doping violation - I'd be confident that athletes would be found not guilty at an Anti-Doping Tribunal - I am comfortable with this decision.

 

[Robert5091]

Oops!
http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/39522434
Olympic marathon champion Jemima Sumgong has failed an out-of-competition drugs test.

The 32-year-old tested positive for the banned substance EPO in a test by athletics governing body the IAAF.

Sumgong also won the 2016 London marathon and was due to defend her title later this month.

"We can confirm that an anti-doping rule violation case concerning Jemima Sumgong (Kenya) has commenced this week," the IAAF said in a statement.

"The athlete tested positive for EPO (Erythropoietin) following a no-notice test conducted in Kenya.

"This was part of an enhanced IAAF out-of-competition testing programme dedicated to elite marathon runners which is supported by the Abbott World Marathon Majors group."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sport-doping-sumgong-idUSKBN1782Y7
Thursday's news comes in the wake of a four-year ban handed to Kenya's multi-marathon champion Rita Jeptoo, Sumgong's former training partner, after she tested positive for EPO in 2014.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Oops!
http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/39522434
"This was part of an enhanced IAAF out-of-competition testing programme dedicated to elite marathon runners which is supported by the Abbott World Marathon Majors group."

OOC test! The last stats the IAAF published about testing had the Kenya regional ADO test frequency. It was mostly urinalysis and almost non-existent. Maybe she couldn't pay enough to bury the positive.

 

[Robert5091]

http://www.parliament.uk/business/c...inquiries/parliament-2015/blood-doping-15-16/
Combatting Doping in Sport inquiry - Meetings

19 April 2017 2:30 pm

Oral Evidence Session

Combatting Doping in Sport

Witness(es)

Barry Fudge, Head of Endurance, UK Athletics
Dr John Rogers, Medical Officer, UK Athletics
Dr Robin Chakraverty, formerly Chief Medical Officer, UK Athletics
Ed Warner, Chairman, UK Athletics
Liz Nicholls, Chief Executive Officer, UK Sport

 

[Zypherov]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/39544930

Athletics: Doping should be made a criminal offence - Paula Radcliffe