Doping in Austria

[Gigs_98]

Let's start this thread with a quote of the president of Austria's skiing federation Peter Schröcksnadel "Austria is a too small country to do good doping"
Well he certainly wasn't wrong as what Austrian athletes do can be called anything but good. Austria already had a long doping history and right now Austrian endurance athletes are falling like flies. What on earth is wrong here and how far can this scandal go?

 

[spalco]

***'s sake, every time austrian cycling shows the smallest signs of waking up from coma. At least *** win something before getting caught.

 

[WKA311]

Well, I just hope the Bora guys, Gogl and Haller didn't do anything as I actually really like them.

Oh and how come that Schröcksnadel is still in his position after this and all his stupid comments? Not that I am particularly suprised about that.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Is there an English language account of the whole mess anywhere? It started with skiiers right?

 

[MartinGT]

https://twitter.com/MRasmussen1974/status/1102483150972903424

 

[WKA311]

Re:

Is there an English language account of the whole mess anywhere? It started with skiiers right?

https://www.sportschau.de/doping/Doping-Razzia-Hintergruende-ENG-100.html

This covers the background. Though the Denifl/Preidler cases are not touched.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Re: Re:

Is there an English language account of the whole mess anywhere? It started with skiiers right?

https://www.sportschau.de/doping/Doping-Razzia-Hintergruende-ENG-100.html

This covers the background. Though the Denifl/Preidler cases are not touched.

Thanks

 

[Mr.38%]

Re:

Well, I just hope the Bora guys, Gogl and Haller didn't do anything as I actually really like them.

Oh and how come that Schröcksnadel is still in his position after this and all his stupid comments? Not that I am particularly suprised about that.

Gogl DNS on the Openings Weenend. And one Bora guy who also DNS suddenly stopped uploading to Strava.

 

[GuyIncognito]

Re:

https://twitter.com/MRasmussen1974/status/1102483150972903424

That's an obvious comment. Much more interesting is that he said his 2007 blood values would be considered fine in the current blood passport.

 

[Gigs_98]

Re: Re:

Well, I just hope the Bora guys, Gogl and Haller didn't do anything as I actually really like them.

Oh and how come that Schröcksnadel is still in his position after this and all his stupid comments? Not that I am particularly suprised about that.

Gogl DNS on the Openings Weenend. And one Bora guy who also DNS suddenly stopped uploading to Strava.

Well that DNS came before the whole thing started at the nordic skiing worlds, so don't know how much we should read into this. But I definitely don't think this is over yet. Preidler clearly feared his blood would be found or in other words there was blood to be found and there was definitely more than just his.

 

[Mr.38%]

Re: Re:

Well, I just hope the Bora guys, Gogl and Haller didn't do anything as I actually really like them.

Oh and how come that Schröcksnadel is still in his position after this and all his stupid comments? Not that I am particularly suprised about that.

Gogl DNS on the Openings Weenend. And one Bora guy who also DNS suddenly stopped uploading to Strava.

Well that DNS came before the whole thing started at the nordic skiing worlds, so don't know how much we should read into this. But I definitely don't think this is over yet. Preidler clearly feared his blood would be found or in other words there was blood to be found and there was definitely more than just his.

Nope.
https://twitter.com/TrekSegafredo/status/1101157035649843201

https://twitter.com/BORAhansgrohe/status/1100681614105948161
https://twitter.com/BORAhansgrohe/status/1100312272222736384

I truely hope, this is something else in Gogls case.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Wait which Bora Austrian had a DNS?

 

[MartinGT]

Re: Re:

https://twitter.com/MRasmussen1974/status/1102483150972903424

That's an obvious comment. Much more interesting is that he said his 2007 blood values would be considered fine in the current blood passport.

Yes I saw that. Not a surprise tbh. Shows up the whole Bio-Passport

 

[Gigs_98]

Re: Re:

Well, I just hope the Bora guys, Gogl and Haller didn't do anything as I actually really like them.

Oh and how come that Schröcksnadel is still in his position after this and all his stupid comments? Not that I am particularly suprised about that.

Gogl DNS on the Openings Weenend. And one Bora guy who also DNS suddenly stopped uploading to Strava.

Well that DNS came before the whole thing started at the nordic skiing worlds, so don't know how much we should read into this. But I definitely don't think this is over yet. Preidler clearly feared his blood would be found or in other words there was blood to be found and there was definitely more than just his.

Nope.
https://twitter.com/TrekSegafredo/status/1101157035649843201

https://twitter.com/BORAhansgrohe/status/1100681614105948161
https://twitter.com/BORAhansgrohe/status/1100312272222736384

I truely hope, this is something else in Gogls case.

I thought you meant his dns in the tour du haut var. Still he had to abandon that race due to illness so this could be a reason for not starting this weekend.
What did you want to say with your bora links?

 

[Salvarani]

This just grows bigger and bigger. They probably going through material from the raid of this doctors office atm and we probably gonna see a lot more riders and athletes being dragged into this.

 

[PeterB]

Re:

Wait which Bora Austrian had a DNS?

Not Austrian but German - Schillinger was announced in the line-up but was replaced at the last minute.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Re: Re:

Wait which Bora Austrian had a DNS?

Not Austrian but German - Schillinger was announced in the line-up but was replaced at the last minute.

Ok, I though I was getting senile.

 

[Koronin]

Can we hope this doesn't turn into another Operation Puerto? Not surprising this case is getting bigger, just hoping that it gets a resolution so we aren't still talking about 15 years later.

 

[ecw445]

Re:

Can we hope this doesn't turn into another Operation Puerto? Not surprising this case is getting bigger, just hoping that it gets a resolution so we aren't still talking about 15 years later.

Considering no Germans or Austrians have been pumping out huge results in this decade, I doubt it'll be much, unless Kittel or Tony Martin are somehow involved

 

[Gigs_98]

Re:

Can we hope this doesn't turn into another Operation Puerto? Not surprising this case is getting bigger, just hoping that it gets a resolution so we aren't still talking about 15 years later.

I actually don't mind. The hypocracy in the sport has annoyed me more and more over the last years as everyone acts as if they are in a perfect world where dopers have gone extinct. At least this scandal has the potential to make people realize the sport is as dirty as ever

 

[GuyIncognito]

Re: Re:

Can we hope this doesn't turn into another Operation Puerto? Not surprising this case is getting bigger, just hoping that it gets a resolution so we aren't still talking about 15 years later.

Considering no Germans or Austrians have been pumping out huge results in this decade, I doubt it'll be much, unless Kittel or Tony Martin are somehow involved

I will be shocked if Kittel and Degenkolb aren't involved

 

[Koronin]

Re: Re:

Can we hope this doesn't turn into another Operation Puerto? Not surprising this case is getting bigger, just hoping that it gets a resolution so we aren't still talking about 15 years later.

I actually don't mind. The hypocracy in the sport has annoyed me more and more over the last years as everyone acts as if they are in a perfect world where dopers have gone extinct. At least this scandal has the potential to make people realize the sport is as dirty as ever

I'm more referring to the fact that Operation Puerto is still on going as most names have never been released and most names are tied to soccer/football and track and field, plus tennis. That is what I'm hoping doesn't happen here.

 

[Gigs_98]

Re: Re:

Can we hope this doesn't turn into another Operation Puerto? Not surprising this case is getting bigger, just hoping that it gets a resolution so we aren't still talking about 15 years later.

Considering no Germans or Austrians have been pumping out huge results in this decade, I doubt it'll be much, unless Kittel or Tony Martin are somehow involved

I will be shocked if Kittel and Degenkolb aren't involved

Yeah, the ties to Erfurt are pretty obvious, plus of course they share a past with Preidler at Team Giant which might or might not be a coincidence.

Can we hope this doesn't turn into another Operation Puerto? Not surprising this case is getting bigger, just hoping that it gets a resolution so we aren't still talking about 15 years later.

I actually don't mind. The hypocracy in the sport has annoyed me more and more over the last years as everyone acts as if they are in a perfect world where dopers have gone extinct. At least this scandal has the potential to make people realize the sport is as dirty as ever

I'm more referring to the fact that Operation Puerto is still on going as most names have never been released and most names are tied to soccer/football and track and field, plus tennis. That is what I'm hoping doesn't happen here.

Okay that one I agree with and I'm actually relatively optimistic on that matter.

 

[ppanther92]

Re: Re:

Can we hope this doesn't turn into another Operation Puerto? Not surprising this case is getting bigger, just hoping that it gets a resolution so we aren't still talking about 15 years later.

Considering no Germans or Austrians have been pumping out huge results in this decade, I doubt it'll be much, unless Kittel or Tony Martin are somehow involved

I will be shocked if Kittel and Degenkolb aren't involved

Really?

Not going to happen...

 

[GuyIncognito]

It wouldn't even be the first time Kittel and Degenkolb were caught manipulating their blood in this same clinic

Last time they got off on a technicality. I doubt it happens a second time.