Doping in other sports?

[Oldermanish]

Just finished reading MSN story on Boston Marathon and Ethiopia runners winning both Men's and Women's title. Comments were largely ignorant, racist, nationalist mini-rants from "conservative" individuals that know nothing of the sport. This US election cycle has brought out the worst in our country's fringe. Amazing they have the brainpower to turn a computer on, let alone comment. I'm placing in this topic area because only Doping could be the cause of this...

 

[BullsFan22]

Anyone here think that McGregor failed a dope test and rather than have it all crashing down on him, he was given a choice of a ban or early retirement, so naturally he took the latter? I am probably wrong, but just one of the things I thought about when I heard/read of his announcement.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Re:

And Lyoto Machida also was pulled from the UFC on FOX 19 card because he voluntarily listed a prohibited substance (DHEA) in the forms he was required to fill out before an OOC was administered. And naturally he claims he didn't know an over-the-counter "supplement" might be prohibited.

This brings failing the intelligence test in doping terms to a new low level.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Re: Re:

And Lyoto Machida also was pulled from the UFC on FOX 19 card because he voluntarily listed a prohibited substance (DHEA) in the forms he was required to fill out before an OOC was administered. And naturally he claims he didn't know an over-the-counter "supplement" might be prohibited.

This brings failing the intelligence test in doping terms to a new low level.

The case of Mirko Cro Cop was (IMHO) even worse. Cro Cop confessed to HgH use and retired from the sport the day after being subjected to an OOC. When the test results came back weeks later, it showed him clean. That came about at the cusp of USADA implementing the HgH test protocol, and apparently Cro Cop fell through the cracks.

But in his defence, I like to give Cro Cop the benefit of the doubt and think it was conscience compelled him to come clean, not fear of being outed. His other pursuits (police commando and former high-level elected official) point him out as a serious individual with a strong social conscience. The organisation places enormous pressure on fighters to fight even if hurt, as we saw with Sage Northcutt sustaining his first career loss when Dana White goaded him into fighting while unwell with strep throat. Cro Cop claims he resorted to HgH to rehab an injured shoulder so he could make a scheduled bout, and you know what they say about confession.

 

[Cannibal72]

Fascinating article that I don't think has been posted anywhere yet: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/10/sports/julie-miller-ironman-triathlon-cheat.html?_r=0&referer=http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-achiness-of-the-long-distance-runner/

 

[masking_agent]

http://globalnews.ca/news/2657009/toronto-blue-jays-chris-colabello-banned-80-games-for-performance-enhancing-substance/

 

[Cannibal72]

As per Kimbo Slice:

"I don't think the commissioners should really blackball fighters for having to use a little extra vitamins to perform. 'Cause we're entertainers. We perform on a high level. We put our body through some extreme workout to entertain the public and the media. The commissioners should sit down and come to an agreement on what levels should be okay. The levels should be okay for professional entertainers on that level. You know, not so much like some guy who's doing this for a living. We're not those guys. We're just performing for a certain time. So yes, our levels should be just a little bit above normal. That should be okay in the professional world."

Punchdrunk, maybe?

Nah, just honest.

Which raises the question, if these "vitamins" are necessary 1) why is the "sport" legal?

Good question, I dunno. Money?

Still beyond me why people would watch it, though.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Related but not doping specifically

Match fixing in E-sports. Two professionals (and 8 others) charged by S Korean officials

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36131238

 

[BullsFan22]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15411585/eastern-kentucky-lb-sends-all-32-teams-last-20-drug-tests

 

[TMP402]

Kind of a dark interview with Tyson Fury, in which he says all athletes including all boxers dope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKeHAZhqDxA

 

[therhodeo]

Dee Gordon out 80 games for a positive. T and Clostebol. Not really lightweight stuff.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2636608-dee-gordon-suspended-80-games-for-peds-latest-details-comments-and-reaction?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

 

[CheckMyPecs]

Re:

Kind of a dark interview with Tyson Fury, in which he says all athletes including all boxers dope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKeHAZhqDxA

You can't take seriously someone who makes such broad generalisations.

 

[BullsFan22]

ESPN article on Dee Gordon:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/15425125/dee-gordon-miami-marlins-banned-80-games-peds-violation

Odd seeing guys like Gordon and Colabello get caught not long after they've had career years. These guys are emerging, but they are not really your household names. Is MLB actually doing its job?

 

[blackcat]

ESPN article on Dee Gordon:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/15425125/dee-gordon-miami-marlins-banned-80-games-peds-violation

Odd seeing guys like Gordon and Colabello get caught not long after they've had career years. These guys are emerging, but they are not really your household names. Is MLB actually doing its job?

yes

#sweepunderruggery[sic]
or
#rugsweepundery[sic]

#neologisms

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Re: Re:

Kind of a dark interview with Tyson Fury, in which he says all athletes including all boxers dope.

You can't take seriously someone who makes such broad generalisations.

You can't take seriously someone who makes such broad generalisations about broad generalisations.

 

[the delgados]

Re: Re:

Kind of a dark interview with Tyson Fury, in which he says all athletes including all boxers dope.

You can't take seriously someone who makes such broad generalisations.

You can't take seriously someone who makes such broad generalisations about broad generalisations.

Like.

 

[BullsFan22]

OTL is usually one of the more fascinating ESPN programs. Their reports are thought provoking and sometimes the reports and the people and events they report on are controversial. I thought this was interesting enough to share with the clinic:

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/15458724/more-ped-busts-coming-major-league-baseball-soon

 

[tantocomo]

It likely is the increased sensitivity of the testing, but I couldn't help but laugh at this part:

Besides the improved testing, there is another possible culprit for the recent spike in Turinabol positives, though sources told Outside the Lines it's a bit more speculative.

"The supplement Alpha-4D, sold by Shredded Labs, includes an oral form of Turinabol. None of the players who tested positive has said he used the product, but it was placed on the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency's "high risk" supplement list in March 2014 and is the one over-the-counter product that has been identified by the agency as containing the drug. The supplement is advertised as a "pro-anabolic stack," which should be a flashing neon warning sign to any athlete who is subject to testing."

 

[Zypherov]

New Russia doping cover-up alleged by whistleblower: http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/36245334

 

[Robert5091]

Baseball Dopers’ New Drug Is an Old One Used by East Germany - Turinabol
"Antidoping experts believe that unscrupulous chemists in the United States may be creating the drug or, more likely, that it is being imported. Dr. Don Catlin, an antidoping pioneer in the United States who ran the drug testing lab at the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics, said Turinabol was easily obtainable online. He added that it was contained as a labeled ingredient in at least one supplement that can be bought off-the-shelf. It is also possible the steroid is contained as an unlabeled product in a supplement, he said."

"The fact that the drug is now so easily detected is the reason Victor Conte Jr., who ran the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative in Northern California that figured in a widespread doping scandal a decade ago, wrote on his Twitter account that the knowing use of Turinabol was “dumber than dumb.”"
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/07/sports/baseball/turinabol-dopers-new-drug-is-an-old-one-used-by-east-germany.html

 

[BullsFan22]

Clenbuterol.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/15501958/raul-mondesi-kansas-city-royals-suspended-50-games-positive-ped-test

 

[Irondan]

Clenbuterol.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/15501958/raul-mondesi-kansas-city-royals-suspended-50-games-positive-ped-test

This kid is the son of a former Major League baseball player (Raul Mondesi Sr.), one who played in the steriod era hitting home runs with the rest of the big boppers, and has a brother who's a pro with the Brewers system. (It's funny, they're both named Raul)

Although he accepts his suspension this quote is complete BS -

Mondesi said he took the medication without reading the label or consulting his trainer.

He knew exactly what he was doing, he was trained from the time he could walk by his pops on how to become a MLB player himself.

No, I don't buy it but hey, he's serving his suspension without the usual defiance...

 

[the delgados]

Clenbuterol.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/15501958/raul-mondesi-kansas-city-royals-suspended-50-games-positive-ped-test

This kid is the son of a former Major League baseball player (Raul Mondesi Sr.), one who played in the steriod era hitting home runs with the rest of the big boppers, and has a brother who's a pro with the Brewers system. (It's funny, they're both named Raul)

Although he accepts his suspension this quote is complete BS -

Mondesi said he took the medication without reading the label or consulting his trainer.

He knew exactly what he was doing, he was trained from the time he could walk by his pops on how to become a MLB player himself.

No, I don't buy it but hey, he's serving his suspension without the usual defiance...

Seems to me guys like Mondesi and Chris Colabello are visiting some fly-by-night doping doctors who haven't been keeping up to date on the current CBA.
Drug testing is still a joke in MLB, but it has upgraded to a point where it actually looks like they're trying to catch those looking for a little pick-me-up.
I'd like to agree with Mondesi when he says he didn't read the label. He probably just took the "doctor's" word for it.

 

[Bonerjams97]

Good thing these guys are going to follow the stellar example laid out by the IAAF, they have much success to look forward to. http://www.gamespot.com/articles/esl-reveals-plan-to-clean-up-doping-corruption-and/1100-6439781/

 

[BullsFan22]

European Aquatics Championships going on right now in London. Russians ahead in the medal standings, before any of the swimming get underway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_European_Aquatics_Championships


Why did FINA allow them to even compete?