Doping in other sports?

[fujisst]

What a lame thread.
All the hand wringing and knashing of teeth about 'Doping in the other sports'.
Pro cycling has an endemic drug problem from top to bottom - unlike the other major sports. You had kids falling asleep and never waking up because they wanted to 'keep up'. Unprecedented in any other major sport. Stop all the crying and deal with the problem once and for all. Lifetime bans. Period. Anything else is merely window dressing.

 

[DirtyWorks]

What a lame thread.
...Pro cycling has an endemic drug problem from top to bottom - unlike the other major sports. ...

No, not really true. For reasons I really don't understand the scandal always seems to surface with cycling.

Tennis is just one global sport example where doping is endemic and yet everyone associated with the sport just pretends. Hoberman summarizing things well:

This pathetic “anti-doping program” served the IOC as a successful PR strategy for many years until the Festina Affair blew up in 1998. Then the IOC was forced to co-sponsor WADA with the governments, and the number of positives began to go up, but not by much.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013...uption-doping-collusion-at-the-ioc-uci_270482

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Usain Bolt is shooting for a sub 19 200 Justimagine If Froome said he would ride a 34 minute Alpe dHuez or 53 minute Ventoux.

Anthony Famiglietti calls out Salazar's/Oregon Project's doctor, Dr. Brown as being a quack and a grey area doping doctor.

 

[Merckx index]

Sound familiar, cycling fans?

In something of a bombshell at a recent court hearing, Vijay Singh’s lawyer accused the PGA Tour of repeatedly exempting players from testing and punishment under its anti-doping program. But no proof has yet to be made public.

Since Tour drug testing began in 2008, two players have been identified as using performance-enhancing substances. Doug Barron settled out of court in 2010 following a suspension. Singh, citing reputation damage, sued the Tour for millions in May after being cleared following his appeal of an unannounced suspension.

Now Singh’s lawyer makes the serious accusation that other players have tested positive for PEDs but haven’t been penalized.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

What a lame thread.
All the hand wringing and knashing of teeth about 'Doping in the other sports'.
Pro cycling has an endemic drug problem from top to bottom - unlike the other major sports.

Oh how naive....
The other pro sports just throw everything under the carpet, but are as bad off as cycling. Be it swimming, boxing, american football, soccer, track & field, baseball, whatever. Some of them are even worse (NFL, Boxing for example).

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Usain Bolt is shooting for a sub 19 200 Justimagine If Froome said he would ride a 34 minute Alpe dHuez or 53 minute Ventoux.

I think the clinic would explode and hell would break loose in the media. Yet people like "fujisst" think only cycling has a problem. So all that media hypocrisy works: Cycling is the scapegoat and shifts the attention away from the golden eggs (i.e. US pro sports, soccer, tennis, etc.).

 

[fujisst]

Hmmm, a couple of individuals with emotional investments decide to come to defense of this tired thread after feeling my "attack".
How disingenuous of you to fail to respond to my entire post. Interesting how you choose to omit the part about kids dying in their sleep because they're 'doped to the gills' just to maintain pace with the performance enhanced peloton. Does anything remotely similar happen in other major sports? (Rhetorical question.)

You sound like Lance supporter by your argument in defense of this thread - same lame argument. Waaaaaaa, I'm being singled out - everyone else is doing it too! Your speculation about other sports is just that - speculation. You know nothing for a fact as to the levelo of involvement. Pro cycling is readily known by way of testimony from numerous witnesses and users.

 

[EnacheV]

Hmmm, a couple of individuals with emotional investments decide to come to defense of this tired thread after feeling my "attack".
How disingenuous of you to fail to respond to my entire post. Interesting how you choose to omit the part about kids dying in their sleep because they're 'doped to the gills' just to maintain pace with the performance enhanced peloton. Does anything remotely similar happen in other major sports? (Rhetorical question.)

every year 3-4 footballers die on the pitch. you don't know about all of them because some of them are from less mainstream countries.

please tell me more about the Serena "Hulk" Williams and the rabbit bunnies hoping for 5 hours everyday.

Football : top divisions 100% doped, systematic doping
Tennis : all top 10 is doped at man's, at women's probably less.

Why? Because it's 100% free risk for better results. At least in cycling there is a higher risk, at after all the scandals less are wanting to take the chance.

But football, tennis ? That's a dreamland for doping.

4500 OOC blood tests cycling vs. 20 OOC blood tests tennis / year?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Does anything remotely similar happen in other major sports? (Rhetorical question.)

Yop, heart attacks by young american football and soccer players. Not back then, but now!

So actually your Q wasn´t rhetorical. Epic fail.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

please tell me more about the Serena "Hulk" Williams and the rabbit bunnies hoping for 5 hours everyday.

LMAO. Like that one. Anyway, agree with all you said. But that stands out for the ugly way tennis "combats" doping.

But "fujisst" won´t accept it anyway. He barks like a dog if we don´t agree with his short sided "cycling only" view. I guess he don´t even understand that us "veteran" posters in the clinic criticise pro cycling and LA much, often, and hard. Only that we are able to think outside the box...

 

[the sceptic]

Bolt and Serena are more believable than Froome though.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Of course i disagree here. Especially Bolt and his jamaican fellows.

 

[fujisst]

Provide proof any other 'drop dead' occurrences in the major sports were from illegal performance enhancing drugs. Compare numbers of pro cyclist's deaths due to 'motor oil' blood to the number of deaths of other professional athletes. Thankfully, the 50% rule was brought into effect, but it still didn't totally end the need for alarm bells at 4am to make sure I'm still breathing.

Pro cycling deserves the bed of which it made. Period. No crying, wringing of hands, and gnashing of teeth about other sports will change that.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Bolt and Serena are more believable than Froome though.

they all seems pretty unbelievable. Big Bolt, massive Serena and skinny Froome.

 

[D-Queued]

they all seems pretty unbelievable. Big Bolt, massive Serena and skinny Froome.

We really need to embrace human diversity.

Dave.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

We really need to embrace human diversity.

Dave.

Well, sports hero link ups are hot business these days. McIlroy - Wozniacki, Vonn - Woods. Why not Bulldozer Serena - Froomedawg.

 

[GreasyMonkey]

Why not Bulldozer Serena - Froomedawg.

Simply the thought makes me shudder...... but maybe they deserve each other

 

[the sceptic]

Simply the thought makes me shudder...... but maybe they deserve each other

The two biggest mutants in sports are ment to be together. I cant even imagine what kind of kids they would have.

 

[thrawn]

The two biggest mutants in sports are ment to be together. I cant even imagine what kind of kids they would have.

Pretty sure Serena would crush him during coitus.

 

[blackcat]

Well, sports hero link ups are hot business these days. McIlroy - Wozniacki, Vonn - Woods. Why not Bulldozer Serena - Froomedawg.

it would be her own personal combine.

Serena would benchpress him post-coitus, whip out 20 reps, and then whip out a pack of Gauloises and still feel as it she had not had an adequate workout.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Provide proof any other 'drop dead' occurrences in the major sports were from illegal performance enhancing drugs. Compare numbers of pro cyclist's deaths due to 'motor oil' blood to the number of deaths of other professional athletes. Thankfully, the 50% rule was brought into effect, but it still didn't totally end the need for alarm bells at 4am to make sure I'm still breathing.

Pro cycling deserves the bed of which it made. Period. No crying, wringing of hands, and gnashing of teeth about other sports will change that.

Yeah, yeah. Your same old song. But it doesn´t change that you have a very short sided view on things.

Doping deaths which occured in cycling are gone, while deaths in boxing, soccer, am. football, bodybuilding, and so on, are still growing. Period.

 

[si botak]

What a lame thread.
All the hand wringing and knashing of teeth about 'Doping in the other sports'.
Pro cycling has an endemic drug problem from top to bottom - unlike the other major sports. You had kids falling asleep and never waking up because they wanted to 'keep up'. Unprecedented in any other major sport. Stop all the crying and deal with the problem once and for all. Lifetime bans. Period. Anything else is merely window dressing.

Calling out the clinic for not being tough enough on drug cheats?

Interesting…

 

[D-Queued]

The two biggest mutants in sports are ment to be together. I cant even imagine what kind of kids they would have.

Every time I see a Chihuahua I say to myself, "What have we done, that came from a wolf?"

Just think about where the human race could be headed!

Dave.

 

[martinvickers]

Calling out the clinic for not being tough enough on drug cheats?

Interesting…

The clinic's not remotely tough on drugs cheats. Simply a form of entertainment...

 

[fujisst]

Yeah, yeah. Your same old song. But it doesn´t change that you have a very short sided view on things.

Doping deaths which occured in cycling are gone, while deaths in boxing, soccer, am. football, bodybuilding, and so on, are still growing. Period.

Thanks for providing the proof.

Check out Stage 2 of the Kubler-Ross 5 Stages of Grief Model. And I'm trying to be helpful here. Putting things into perspective NEVER allows for clarity of where the root issue lies. Simply another form of denial. Good luck.