Doping in other sports?

[mikeoneill]

“When Marie-Jose Perec was coached by my husband, she realised that the training load required to run that fast was very difficult. If you fulfil such training, then maybe it will be possible to break the world record, but it is extremely difficult"


thats where the peds come in.....training load

 

[beowulf]

#sigh

Jesus wept.

My thoughts exactly. There are some athletes the IAAF should never bring back for any kind of commemoration and she is one of them. It is just a joke.

No doubt she was a phenomenal athlete and probably would have been very successful without performance enhancing drugs, but her records are just ridiculous.

 

[MrRoboto]

Meanwhile IAAF President Lamine Diack attacks WADA for focusing on poor Jamaica
http://www.aipsmedia.com/index.php?page=news&cod=12374&tp=n
"They are the most tested countries in the world!"
Hah

 

[sniper]

Meanwhile IAAF President Lamine Diack attacks WADA for focusing on poor Jamaica
http://www.aipsmedia.com/index.php?page=news&cod=12374&tp=n
"They are the most tested countries in the world!"
Hah

I agree with the criticism.
Jamaicas main problem is that they dont have the money and experience to better mask their cheating.
But i dont think jamaica cheat a whole lot more than most first world countries.
Jamaica is an easy target.
wada should just as much look at first world countries such as england, germany and spain, though, where doping is rampant but probably much more sophisticated.

 

[poupou]

I agree with the criticism.
Jamaicas main problem is that they dont have the money and experience to better mask their cheating.
But i dont think jamaica cheat a whole lot more than most first world countries.
Jamaica is an easy target.
wada should just as much look at first world countries such as england, germany and spain, though, where doping is rampant but probably much more sophisticated.

I don't think so, even if they use the same doping methods. The difference being the risks to be caught, it seems that their athletes have been well protected, it's a bit like the difference we have between Spain and Italia or France.

 

[sniper]

I don't think so, even if they use the same doping methods. The difference being the risks to be caught, it seems that their athletes have been well protected, it's a bit like the difference we have between Spain and Italia or France.

Fair point,
but germany similarly have a government deliberately obstrcuting the fight against doping, for instance when they recently obstructed the publicatiom of a huge report on doping in germany, where massive doping in german soccer and olympic disciplines was going to be exposed.
England the same, they spent muchmuch dough on gettin manymany medals at fhe games, and really didnt seem at all worried about how that money was spent, as lonv as those medals were secured.
It would be quite the hypocricy if we,d continue to look only at eastern europe, jamaica and kenia.

 

[poupou]

Fair point,
but germany similarly have a government deliberately obstrcuting the fight against doping, for instance when they recently obstructed the publicatiom of a huge report on doping in germany, where massive doping in german soccer and olympic disciplines was going to be exposed.
England the same, they spent muchmuch dough on gettin manymany medals at fhe games, and really didnt seem at all worried about how that money was spent, as lonv as those medals were secured.
It would be quite the hypocricy if we,d continue to look only at eastern europe, jamaica and kenia.

I agree but that doen't mean we have to close our eyes on those rotten apples, especially when the domination of a country is out of common sense.

 

[the sceptic]

#sigh

Jesus wept.

What do you mean Martin? How can you be sure she was doping?

Maybe she was just an early pioneer of marginal gains.

 

[mikeoneill]

Maybe she was just an early pioneer of marginal gains.

marginal gains hadn't been invented back then


they used drugs instead....

 

[martinvickers]

What do you mean Martin? How can you be sure she was doping?

Maybe she was just an early pioneer of marginal gains.

Documentary proof, including written explicit admission

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marita_Koch#Drug_use_controversy

 

[the sceptic]

Documentary proof, including written explicit admission

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marita_Koch#Drug_use_controversy

Don't try so hard to be a smart a***.

I prefer to wait for the facts and the evidence.

According to the sources Koch did use the anabolic steroid Oral-Turinabol (4-Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone) from 1981 to 1984 with dosages ranging from 530 to 1460 mg/year.

Thus, she stopped doping in 1984 and was clean when she set the 400m world record. This of course makes perfect logical sense, we know from cycling that clean atheltes can be just as fast as doped ones.

Also interesting to note that she didnt break 53 seconds until she was 27 years old. So I believe she must have had badzilla or another mysterious disease that prevented her from realizing her full potential, and that of course makes her 400m run more credible.

Martin, why cant you give her the benefit of the doubt and say that youre not sure?

 

[martinvickers]

I prefer to wait for the facts and the evidence.



Thus, she stopped doping in 1984 and was clean when she set the 400m world record. This of course makes perfect logical sense, we know from cycling that clean atheltes can be just as fast as doped ones.

Also interesting to note that she didnt break 53 seconds until she was 27 years old. So I believe she must have had badzilla or another mysterious disease that prevented her from realizing her full potential, and that of course makes her 400m run more credible.

Martin, why cant you give her the benefit of the doubt and say that youre not sure?

You're wasting your time. Worse, you're wasting mine. When you feel like a discussion actually worth having, let me know.

While you continue deliberate baiting, I'm going to treat it as it deserves.

 

[mikeoneill]

I prefer to wait for the facts and the evidence.



Thus, she stopped doping in 1984 and was clean when she set the 400m world record. This of course makes perfect logical sense, we know from cycling that clean atheltes can be just as fast as doped ones.

Also interesting to note that she didnt break 53 seconds until she was 27 years old. So I believe she must have had badzilla or another mysterious disease that prevented her from realizing her full potential, and that of course makes her 400m run more credible.

Martin, why cant you give her the benefit of the doubt and say that youre not sure?

totally incorrect..

she was running almost 50sec dead at the age of 19
http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/german-dem-rep/marita-koch-80703#progression

 

[Briant_Gumble]

I agree with the criticism.
Jamaicas main problem is that they dont have the money and experience to better mask their cheating.
But i dont think jamaica cheat a whole lot more than most first world countries.
Jamaica is an easy target.
wada should just as much look at first world countries such as england, germany and spain, though, where doping is rampant but probably much more sophisticated.

"No tests for five months leading up to the London Olympics" - Renee Anne Shirley.

Directly contradicts what diack said.

No other country was allowed to dope to the gills uninhibited without threat of testing so close to the event.

 

[sniper]

"No tests for five months leading up to the London Olympics" - Renee Anne Shirley.

Directly contradicts what diack said.

No other country was allowed to dope to the gills uninhibited without threat of testing so close to the event.

Other countries might have had better progams in place for their athletes, reducing the possibilites of testing positive.
Matter of budget.
what did england do for antidoping leading up to the games? Very little that i know of.
They wanted medals at all costs and had a huge budget for that. How much of that budget went to antidoping? Nothing, i think. How much of that went to doping? We can only guess but my guess is a lot.
thats the hypocricy of singling out jamaica. I think countries like england dope sophisticatedly and with much less risk of getting exposed.

 

[DirtyWorks]

"No tests for five months leading up to the London Olympics" - Renee Anne Shirley.

Directly contradicts what diack said.

No other country was allowed to dope to the gills uninhibited without threat of testing so close to the event.

A two-fer:

#1 IAAF President doing a Verbruggen: http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=49301

#2 And we don't know what other countries did/didn't do. We know they can hide positives. We know they manage athlete arrival to stay negative. And still, some of the athletes failed the IQ test anyway like Belarus. http://en.ria.ru/sports/20120814/175207192.html

 

[neineinei]

WADA suspends the Moscow Laboratory and the satellite facility in Sochi for six months if they don't get things in order by December 1.

http://playtrue.wada-ama.org/news/w...liance-regarding-the-moscow-antidoping-center

The accreditation of the Moscow Laboratory is suspended for six months, but that suspension shall not come into effect unless:

1. By 1 December 2013 the Moscow Laboratory has failed to engage independent Quality Management experts satisfactory to the WADA Laboratory Expert Group to assist the Moscow Laboratory in drafting, finalizing, implementing and embedding throughout the operations of the Moscow Laboratory a comprehensive Quality Management program that is sufficient to allow everyone to be confident of the accuracy and reliability of results moving forward; and

2. By 1 April 2014 (and allowing within that time-limit for appropriate action and comment by the WADA Laboratory Expert Group those independent Quality Management experts have satisfied this Disciplinary Committee that the Moscow Laboratory has in fact drafted, finalized, implemented and embedded throughout its operations a comprehensive Quality Management program (for which the Moscow Laboratory director will be responsible) that gives the Disciplinary Committee the necessary confidence in the accuracy and reliability of the results reported by the Moscow Laboratory.

 

[EnacheV]

Provide proof any other 'drop dead' occurrences in the major sports were from illegal performance enhancing drugs. Compare numbers of pro cyclist's deaths due to 'motor oil' blood to the number of deaths of other professional athletes. Thankfully, the 50% rule was brought into effect, but it still didn't totally end the need for alarm bells at 4am to make sure I'm still breathing.

Pro cycling deserves the bed of which it made. Period. No crying, wringing of hands, and gnashing of teeth about other sports will change that.

damn this clean sport and his victims

http://www.rtl.fr/actualites/sport/...-un-arret-cardiaque-sur-le-terrain-7766930823

there are a lot of them every year, you just don't hear about them

that's because football teams doctors are stuffing them with all kind of crap as there is no risk to be caught, or they , individually, stuff themselves as there is no risk to be caught.

 

[neineinei]

The Cologne lab and the Moscow lab have developed new procedures to retroactively identify Oral-Turinabol and Stanozolol.

http://www.sportschau.de/weitere/allgemein/neuedopingtests100.html

Grigory Rodchenko, head of the Moscow control laboratories to the ARD-doping editorial said: "With this detection method, we now have approximately 100 urine samples tested positive, they would have been previously measured as negative."

The Cologne doping analyst Hans Geyer said: "We have by my count hundreds of positive cases that we would not otherwise have found."

 

[Dazed and Confused]

The Cologne lab and the Moscow lab have developed new procedures to retroactively identify Oral-Turinabol and Stanozolol.

http://www.sportschau.de/weitere/allgemein/neuedopingtests100.html

Good, now lets get everybody exposed....

 

[poupou]

First,announce that there will be retesting. Then request athletes to come foward about their doping and they will get a 6 month ban, and; of course their results stripped for a 2 years period.
And finally do the retesting, positive athletes will get a 2 years ban.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

First,announce that there will be retesting. Then request athletes to come foward about their doping and they will get a 6 month ban, and; of course their results stripped for a 2 years period.
And finally do the retesting, positive athletes will get a 2 years ban.

Personally think this process is a waste of time. Lets move to exposure immediately.

 

[sniper]

Good, now lets get everybody exposed....

According to German ARD broadcaster labs in Cologne and Moscow found traces of anabolic steroids in hundreds of urine samples using the new testing method.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/...-samples-using-new-method-072456365--spt.html
and they retested how many? hundreds, i imagine?
unfortunate the article doesn't say that, but it sounds like they got a very high percentage of positives there.
i think doping in prosport is more rampant than many are willing to believe.

 

[MrRoboto]

I agree with the criticism.
Jamaicas main problem is that they dont have the money and experience to better mask their cheating.
But i dont think jamaica cheat a whole lot more than most first world countries.
Jamaica is an easy target.

Did you read it? He tries to play down the scandals surrounding Jamaica's sprinters lately. And in his big bull****ting speech he basically criticizes WADA for catching dopers. He only manages to make an *** of himself and athletics.

wada should just as much look at first world countries such as england, germany and spain, though, where doping is rampant but probably much more sophisticated.

Sure. But then he should criticize the possible inadequate testing of other countries. The focus on Jamaica is completely justified when the dominating sprinter nation shows such terrible anti doping practices.

 

[poupou]

Personally think this process is a waste of time. Lets move to exposure immediately.

The point being to have other athletes confessing.

When USA receveid the list of 4000 (?) American people having a swiss account, they did that kind of proposal, and eventually much more people paid their taxes!